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AV Artists Complain Monterey 'Orange Dot' Security Feature Makes Macs Unsuitable for Live Performances
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THANK YOU FOR UNDOT this was driving me insane. Beyond unacceptable for my stage visuals to just have a dot.
Most professional software is broken by macOS updates, and it’s common practice to not only avoid betas, but wait well beyond release for the software manufacturer to issue a green light. Like Abelton, serato, OBX, etc.
We already get the Station ID plastered all over the place. I find that more intrusive than this.
You act like everyone is trying the betas. I certainly would never trust a beta in a production environment. I doubt the number of Audiovisual artists that also actively try beta software is a very very small number.
Often user's feedback is laced with sarcasm, anger, frustration and whatever negative emotion.
A bad company might dismiss such feedback, but a good company puts the negative emotions asides and tries to figure out if there is a legitimate complaint to be addressed, knowing that if the complaint is legitimate... those negative emotions are actually ultimately the company's fault.
Here it seems pretty clear to me that the notification dot's design suffers from some oversights which Apple should address.
I thought you knew by now that if it has not personally happened to a MR member then it's a made up story because they have not personally experienced it.I am baffled that we have 5 pages consisting of comments from people that don't understand that this is a real problem for other peple.
Talk about narrow minded. No wonder we don't have peace on earth.
There is a hardware solution to this software problem: If your projection system supports it (and I think most do) adjusting the overscan could at least mask the problem, in a pinch.
Ok, I can agree with that. Maybe in fullscreen mode on external display (when external display is acting as 2nd monitor) the dot can go away. But when external display is mirroring internal/main display, then orange dot needs to stay.
I think that’s a good compromise.
Live video projection and mac computers are used all over the world in opera houses, theatres, concert halls. Often the image is effected by audio input, (speech and/or music). Our current projection for "Macbeth" is black and white. The imagery is faded up and down in ccordination with the lights, cues are precise, you want complete darkness at specific times.
And you've got a big orange dot on the screen.
How do you explain this to the Director or the theatre that hired you?
Luckily I have been working in this field for long enough to know not to update to newest OS for at least 6 months, but it is a real problem for many colleagues.
Solutions like "put some tape over it" & "scale the video" are obvioulsy useless.
And you've got a big orange dot on the screen.
How do you explain this to the Director or the theatre that hired you?
Luckily I have been working in this field for long enough to know not to update to newest OS for at least 6 months, but it is a real problem for many colleagues.
Solutions like "put some tape over it" & "scale the video" are obvioulsy useless.
Wow, the amount of hostility in this thread is tangible :-(. I read this thread seeing if someone would explain why this is a big deal? Nobody here, not even the original article explains *why* this is a problem? Folks say its terrible and wrong, and should be changed, but nobody explains *why*? It's like you are expected to just know, and if you don't you are an idiot and several people dislike or reply with abusive comments? I am NOT saying it isn't a problem, I just don't understand why it is a problem. Is this dot part of the video stream, meaning that if you are recording the screen, it shows up on the recorded video too? I would understand why that would be an issue, as it would be similar to your camera capturing interface elements when you take a picture. Nobody wants to see that, and that is problem that everyone should be upset about. If it is just overlaid over the top of the video stream, how is it any different than a camcorder or video camera having a "record" light lit when it is recording? To me, that would be an indicator of a "live" performance.
It's not either/or. If Apple purports to be a professional tool it must allow professionals to control it at a deeper level than a consumer product. They need only create an acceptable (and secure) process where pros can override this feature.
Not quite getting why there's so many negative comments in this thread. To be clear, nobody is asking for Apple to backtrack on a useful security feature. Professionals, who get paid to present a flawless experience in the arts, concerts, dance music events and so on are requesting the ability to personally opt out of this feature, most importantly on external displays, so that they can present the work that they've been paid to do. Can't see in what universe this is unreasonable or unwarranted.
Isadora and other live-performance apps use audio input to create visual feedback for immersive theater and other live performance events. There are two problems with this situation: One, it injects a bright orange dot on the image or video that developers and artists have carefully crafted; Two, and more troubling is it shows Apple injecting a forced security feature without considering how it may impact some pro users. As a company that lost a chunk of creators in the past decade by neglecting that channel and some serious hardware/software missteps, this is not how a "professional partner" acts.
Hopefully they'll listen and respond appropriately.
Has anyone actually noticed an app that used the mic/camera without permission? I mean you already need to allow it in security.
For people still not understanding, imagine this:
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So you wouldn't mind an orange dot always appearing on your expensive TV?
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A lot of the time it isn’t your machine. It’s the venue’s. You just plug in an external drive with your data on it.
People who have very strict color branding of their professional video/entertainment/recording appearance would make their own work seem less professional and serious. This is not good. And I will explain why.
A imagine a strict DJ or dance party visual setup with branding that MUST be black and green only, or a corporate presentation with purple branding that will be seen by important business leaders, and there’s a strange even larger orange dot in the corner of the display that you cannot remove. People could be visually distracted by it and so forth.
A graphic designer like me understands the frustration. You never know what somebody might be using their set up for. I believe the argument displayed in this article is valid. I would not want a larger orange dot interfering with my strict branding requirements when it comes to design, color or entertainment visuals!
I believe the middle ground for this should be making it a temporary appearance on full screen secondary display output while keeping it smaller but permanent on the primary display, such as a MacBook Pro hooked up to whatever presentation/entertainment set up you are using. Make it go away after like 10 to 15 seconds or so on the external displays, similar to iPhone.
This is similar to spending $10k on new HD TV with a dead pixel on it. Except instead of 1 dead pixel, it's a cluster of pixels that are colored orange so they are always visible unless it happens to be displaying something orange at the top. And now you're inviting people over to watch content and all they can notice is that stupid orange dot because it's so out of place and annoying. Oh and on top of all that, you are charging them for privilege of being annoyed by an orange dot. Do you see a problem yet?
I wonder if Steve could ever imagine that his company would eventually become $3 trillion.