Why not both? Leave this behavior as the default, but allow it to be turned off on external monitors by those of us that need it to be able to do our jobs.
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AV Artists Complain Monterey 'Orange Dot' Security Feature Makes Macs Unsuitable for Live Performances
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It doesn’t need to be able to be fully disabled. The dot can remain on any screen with a menu bar. Most projectionists and the like turn the menu bar off on external displays.
This exactly.
As an aside… I’m in Monterey producing livestream content. I use Syphon virtual input to consistently push in pixel-perfect inputs. And that workflow has been unaffected by the orange dot.
Just goes to show that people will go out of their way to find something trivial to complain about ??♂️
This all over.
How the hell can people just not comprehend that if you've spent ages designing big art installation visuals for public showing or are a live performance VJ that having a big orange dot in the corner of your art creation on every screen you display it on is completely unacceptable. I don't have to do this ever with my new Mac (or at least no immediate plans), but when I read the article I instantly though "F*******K!!!! Monterey would be completely unusable if I did and hadn't even considered it"! Likewise if I was in the audience to a show I'd instantly think something was screwed with the monitor if I didn't have Monterey, or figure what a total embarassment if I did.
It would be the visual equivalent of my Mac making a short beep noise or glitch once a minute during all the music I produced or was DJing. I can't comprehend how people can read the article and either not comprehend or start making excuses!
It's a nice security feature if you want it, but this definitely needs some option to turn it off. A computer that insists on putting anything additional you don't want on every screen it's outputting with no way to turn it off is straight up unusable for showing art to any audience and not looking completely amateur.
Imagine going to an IMAX cinema and the whole film having an orange dot in the corner - you'd ask for your money back! Same thing, just slightly different scenario.
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How about make it so it's only visible on the main display, but not visible on secondary/tertiary video outputs/displays?
As I understand it, that is not currently the way it behaves.
By making it like that would immediately solve this problem for the vast majority of users, whilst still maintaining the security feature on the display that the user of the computer is likely to actually be using themselves.
That'd work brilliantly... until then people think there's a load of dead pixels for the missing bit... ?
Does it need to be on both screens ? Just on the primary display is enough
If you are getting paid for Visuals or backdrops at an event YES, it's a pretty MASSIVE deal.
Imagine the backdrop of TV shows or every screen at a festival had the menubar and orange icon up top.
A client isn't going to care that Apple's upgraded security features mean there's no way of outputting a clean signal.
Thats a Workaround for some setup's, not a solution.
Let's say you're at a concert and your favorite band is playing. There are 3 LED walls that show psychedelic graphics that move in sync to the music. That LED wall is driven by a Mac and software that responds to the audio in real time by using the microphone. Well now there's an orange dot in each LED wall's corner because the software uses the microphone.
In no way does your comment actually conflict with my original statement... unless of course you're just trying to be a grammar nazi.
I bet most of them didn’t. If someone’s work/livelihood depends on a particular setup—like the rig for a live performance—they’re probably some of the LEAST likely people to try “beta” anything on their production machines. Too risky.
Imagine cancelling a performance because some obscure 5yr old plug-in your set depends on gets broken by that Monterey 12.3 beta you were excited to try and couldn’t wait on that day. No way. Reliability is king for people/artists in that space.
The two aren't mutually exclusive, so you're presenting a false dichotomy.
You can have the dot on your main screen and the fullscreen without the dot, unless you think someone from the audience should come on stage and tell you an app is using your mic.
If the dot is not presented on an external screen used for live shows by default you're affected exactly zero.
Christ the comments here are so oblivious. Not everybody uses a mac for MS Teams and facebook, get over yourselves.
Surprised that there isn’t a way to disable the orange dot. I always presumed it could be turned off, but never needed to 
Professional artists need a clean interface which means no small orange dot. I hope Apple could accommodate their needs.
I understand that this dot is a problem for some users.
But the discussion about ‚just make it configurable in a secure way‘ sounds like US Senators that want ‚just make a secure system that only the FBI can snoop on‘…
If a user can switch it off, so can a bad actor (no pun intended on the performance AV people). Kinda defeats the purpose…
But the discussion about ‚just make it configurable in a secure way‘ sounds like US Senators that want ‚just make a secure system that only the FBI can snoop on‘…
If a user can switch it off, so can a bad actor (no pun intended on the performance AV people). Kinda defeats the purpose…
I wasn‘t referring to your kind of solution, but to user-selectability. Yours might work, I agree.
Good thing NO ONE is asking for it to be turned off COMPLETELY. The ask is simply, have it hidden when the menu bar is hidden on EXTERNAL displays. It can remain visible on the main display.
Is that clear enough?
Because nobody in their right minds plays games on macOS.
That should only be an issue if you were only using an external screen with the menu turned off, but that would be a difficult way to use a Mac. I doubt Apple would turn it off on the menu.
For those people having trouble understanding why this is an issue for people that project video presentations, imagine if Photoshop sometimes put an orange dot in your image when you saved it or Word did that to your documents.
This is so obviously an issue for projection projects that I expect Apple will be fixing it in a few days, because there is no way they intentionally did that with external screens.
That's why they became audio visual artists. They lack the comprehension to understand text based art.