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Backlight bleeding

By the way, I think "bleed" is the wrong term for what we're seeing here. It's not like light is leaking from the sides into the display. My perception is that what we are seeing is caused by pressure on the edge of the display, sandwiched in that incredibly thin case. It's like what you see if you poke an LCD display and see discoloration. This may explain reports of the issue changing over time. As the glue hardens the problem can get better (or worse, I have no idea) as the case exerts more or less pressure on the display.

To see what I mean, apply some gentle pressure with your finger on the bezel near a "bleed" area and watch the issue get worse until you remove your finger.
 
cmvsm said:
I had 8 ipad 1's, and they ALL had light bleed. Finally settled on one that had very little, but it still existed. Just do a search on the net, and you'll find the same conversations going on all over again with the iPad 2.

I have to laugh at all of these people exchanging over and over again, like I did before I might add, and expecting some kind of different result. Edge lit panels are this way by way of their technology and assembly. There is no way around it. If you can't live with it, then just DON'T BUY ONE. These panels are used for two reasons, cost and form factor, and most likely, won't be changing anytime soon. The majority of iPad 2 purchasers have no idea what light bleed is and are happy with their purchase.

Try going over to the Samsung, Sony, or LG television panel forums. In the quest for having the thinnest television on the wall these days, they are having the exact same issues, and have been for years, as the iPad 2 is having. Why does everyone think that this technology for the iPad 2 is any different??

Realistically, you watch movies in the dark how often, maybe 3-5% of the time at best? I get the whole, "I want a perfect screen no matter what I'm doing as I've paid good money for this thing" bit, but at the end of the day, this expectation of perfection is based more on principle than it is functionality. And because the technology used is limited, its just a moot argument anyway.

Would you rather have a screen that has little to no light bleed and thicker, but another $200 in cost? Honestly, I probably would, but I don't see Apple giving up this price point, as they have the competitors by the short hairs.
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You say the same thing every couple of pages. You keep assuming that everyone follows your guidelines of how to use the iPad. But here's a news flash incase you haven't picked it up yet...EVERYONES USAGE VARIES. If some prefer to use it in a dim room, that's their preference, if they see light bleed that is the issue. I don't see why you're so stubborn about this considering you, yourself, have done the same thing previously. Jumping on your soapbox to announce that you're laughing at people's troubles is almost as demeaning as your posts.

Considering that AppleCare is saying there was a bad batch should explain enough. Meaning it's not normal to have excessive light leak like most users are experiencing whether it's dim lit or in daylight, makes no difference, its an issue.
 
peaceActivist said:
You say the same thing every couple of pages. You keep assuming that everyone follows your guidelines of how to use the iPad. But here's a news flash incase you haven't picked it up yet...EVERYONES USAGE VARIES. If some prefer to use it in a dim room, that's their preference, if they see light bleed that is the issue. I don't see why you're so stubborn about this considering you, yourself, have done the same thing previously. Jumping on your soapbox to announce that you're laughing at people's troubles is almost as demeaning as your posts.

Considering that AppleCare is saying there was a bad batch should explain enough. Meaning it's not normal to have excessive light leak like most users are experiencing whether it's dim lit or in daylight, makes no difference, its an issue.
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Exactly, multiple reps from multiple areas of Apple have stated that it is an issue, a warranty issue, a flaw.. call it whatever but it ain't right and Apple is addressing. We would be hearing "In Spec" if it wasn't an issue.
 
GadgetAddicted said:
Here's mine...sigh

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How can anyone say this is "normal," for edge lit displays?

iPad originals might have had backlight bleed to some degree, true.

However, were they like this imagine? I don't think so. This could be distracting in a lot more than just watching a movie.
 
So what is the returns process for this. Can you just rock up or do you need to make a Genius Bar appointment?

Never returned anything before but wish I had with my original Alu iMac as the bleed has driven me bonkers for 4 years. Don't really want to 'put up' with it on the iPad.
 
powerbook911 said:
How can anyone say this is "normal," for edge lit displays?
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I don't think anyone is claiming this is normal. No one of consequence anyway :D

Banjhiyi said:
So what is the returns process for this. Can you just rock up or do you need to make a Genius Bar appointment?
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I'd make an appointment. Apple stores are very busy places these days. If you're within the first two weeks you'll be able to return without a problem I expect. Otherwise if your genius is like mine was you'll have a very friendly exchange process--in and out in 15 minutes. But they'll probably be out of stock, meaning you'll need to return a second time a few days later to do the actual exchange. When they call you to let you know your replacement has arrived you won't have to make an appointment, just show up.
 
jaav88 said:
Here is mine... I was planning to change it this week... But after seen that some of the pictures here are actually even worse than mine...
You can even see mine at 0% brightness...
What do you think?
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( this is at 100% )
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I'd wait a few months if I were you. It's highly likely that you'll get one that's just as bad or even worse until you give Apple some time to get this sorted.
 
Built said:
How interesting that with all this real-world evidence the Apple apologists over on the News forum of MR (the thread about the new Apple ad where I stated that I wished Apple paid more attention to fixing the iPad 2 quality control issues) attacked me with their typical, "Prove it...Have you seen 100s of iPads with lightbleed...You don't know what you are talking about...You are an idiot...You are a troll...Have you done a scientific survey...blah..blah...blah" drivel.

I firmly believe that more than a few of them over there...who were quick to jump to the defense of Apple, stating that THEIR iPads were perfect...no light bleed or blemishes...NEED to believe that they have one of the perfect ones. Somehow it makes them feel better about themselves to think how divine intervention has recognized their greatness and bestowed upon them the perfect iPad while the rest of us mere mortals have proven and documented problems with ours.
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Well said.

I have politely stepped out of that thread (though I still lurk there for the humor) and have come to the conclusion that you do not step between the Apple Fanboys and their beloved Apple/Jobs. Anything you present to them, they will simply twist it to fit their reasoning to make it favorable to Apple regardless of the facts. It's a magical world they live in, and it's scary.:eek:
 
peaceActivist said:
You say the same thing every couple of pages. You keep assuming that everyone follows your guidelines of how to use the iPad. But here's a news flash incase you haven't picked it up yet...EVERYONES USAGE VARIES. If some prefer to use it in a dim room, that's their preference, if they see light bleed that is the issue. I don't see why you're so stubborn about this considering you, yourself, have done the same thing previously. Jumping on your soapbox to announce that you're laughing at people's troubles is almost as demeaning as your posts.

Considering that AppleCare is saying there was a bad batch should explain enough. Meaning it's not normal to have excessive light leak like most users are experiencing whether it's dim lit or in daylight, makes no difference, its an issue.
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Yeah, and its amazing that there are still people like you who refuse to do ANY due diligence regarding their purchases. If one has dents or dings on the back, then that is unacceptable and should be exchanged. If you have light leakage to where it is impeding on everyday usage, then that is unacceptable and should be exchanged. Then there is the "I demand perfection and won't stop until I get it" crowd. Whichever category you happen to fall into, you are fooling yourself if you think that you are ever going to get a 'perfect' screen. You may get one that has very little light leakage, but it will always be there. It amazes me that there are people like you who have no idea what they are buying, and then complain about it. Furthermore, if the original iPad had this issue, which it did, then why in the world do you think Apple wouldn't have changed it by now if it were such a widespread issue? Those at the Apple stores and Applecare are telling you what you want to hear, until word comes down from corporate to limit exchanges. You will not be seeing a panel change without an increase in price...period.
 
Well I have pretty bad light leaking on my 32gb iPad 2. I first had a 16gb one that had minimal light leaking but I decided I wanted more storage space and got the 32gb. Unfortunately the light leaking is pretty bad. The closest Apple store is 2 hours away so I'll try and get there in a few weeks for an exchange.

My one concern is that last week my iPad slipped while I was going to put it on the coffee table and I got a very minor dent in the aluminum near one of the corners. Will this cosmetic damage affect my chances for an exchange or will it go smoothly considering the severity of the light leakage?
 
kash04 said:
Heres my fresh 32gb wifi +3gatt i got today

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disappointed :(
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Just my opinion but honestly, that doesn't look that bad. It definitely is much better than the two I had. Maybe it is the picture but the light-leak there looks very minimal. I had two HUGE splotches as well as another 6-7 smaller, but very noticeable, splotches. I am likely trying a third soon and if I get one that looks like that I'll likely hold on to it.
 
I think you're right on this.

Mine is slowly getting better, but it's still very noticeable. One major spot is gone now, but some others spots are unchanged.




spblat said:
By the way, I think "bleed" is the wrong term for what we're seeing here. It's not like light is leaking from the sides into the display. My perception is that what we are seeing is caused by pressure on the edge of the display, sandwiched in that incredibly thin case. It's like what you see if you poke an LCD display and see discoloration. This may explain reports of the issue changing over time. As the glue hardens the problem can get better (or worse, I have no idea) as the case exerts more or less pressure on the display.

To see what I mean, apply some gentle pressure with your finger on the bezel near a "bleed" area and watch the issue get worse until you remove your finger.
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whoh whoh whoh.. now that cmvsm says it looks OK I've changed my mind... exchange it..

JK:)
 
cmvsm said:
If your brightness is at 100% in that picture, that's not bad at all. I'd be keeping it, as your exchange will likely be worse.
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I agree. Some of that might get better too. My unit looks about the same but it's not noticable at all if brightness is 75% or less.
 
cmvsm said:
If your brightness is at 100% in that picture, that's not bad at all. I'd be keeping it, as your exchange will likely be worse.
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its whatever the initial comes with, i dont have itunes at work to switch it yet. i'll check when i get home!
 
Here are three shots.

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The darkest is where I set my brightness. As you can see you can barely make out the screen. Next is at about 60 percent or more. The last is 100 percent.

Believe me when I tell you that is was worse on the first day. It's not going to go away completely but it did get better.
 
For comparison everyone posting pictures of the evil backlight bleed should also post pictures of the device in normal conditions, i.e. not showing a black screen in the dark but safari in normal lighting conditions, we can all see how bad the bleed is then.
 
2 Owls said:
For comparison everyone posting pictures of the evil backlight bleed should also post pictures of the device in normal conditions, i.e. not showing a black screen in the dark but safari in normal lighting conditions, we can all see how bad the bleed is then.
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bleeding isnt possible with an all white screen,

if you mean normal conditions, just watch a dark palliated movie, like underworld and see if you dont get annoyed!
 
2 Owls said:
For comparison everyone posting pictures of the evil backlight bleed should also post pictures of the device in normal conditions, i.e. not showing a black screen in the dark but safari in normal lighting conditions, we can all see how bad the bleed is then.
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A lot of times it's not gonna show in normal room lighting. I'm assuming you'd like to tell people in what light condition they should use their iPad.
 
well i sent my ipad in last weds they received it Thursday. I was told 3 business days tops as of today its been 4 still no info. Called talked to manager told me that is will ship tomorrow, and she gave me 2 100 dollar gift cards twords a macbook pro. meh i was gonna buy a macbook in summer anyway so i guess its good but dont need the other so w.e

told me the shipments were backed up because of the japan issue.
 
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