Barclays Says Second-Generation iPhone X Could Have Smaller Notch

[Chupa Chupa]

No, I believe the news that came out and I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

That's fine but journalism is only the first draft of history. I don't doubt there is truth to Apple's Face ID tale but it doesn't mean it's complete. (BTW there were stories of Apple engineers trying to get Touch ID under glass to work up until the X specs had to be finalized.) My point to you is more simple: you were not there so you can't make a definite statement one way or the other. Reading about history is very different than actually being there first hand. It's like looking at an object in 2D vs 3D.

 

[kiranmk2]

No, I believe the news that came out and I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

It's not a conspiracy theory - it's simple business marketing. No way Apple would come out and say "We wanted FaceID and TouchID under screen, but couldn't make it work so went with FaceID only" - it becomes "FaceID was the only technology we considered."

 

[44267547]

How about no notch and touch ID with OLED screen? I don't want Fail ID

That’s perfectly fine that you don’t want the notch, but Apple and Craig Federighi have already identified they attempted experimenting with touch ID under the display, which when They realized Face ID was successful in it’s functionality, they abandoned touch ID all together under the display as an option. Apple said it was always there main goal and with Face ID and will likely migrate into other products as well.

https://daringfireball.net/2017/09/iphone_x_event_thoughts_and_observations

 

[Baymowe335]

I'm not sure how Apple can continue to say this with a straight face. No product is like that. Always room for improvement.

99% satisfaction doesn't mean no room for improvement.

I am 1 of the 99%, but I also think the X can and will be improved.
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It's not a conspiracy theory - it's simple business marketing. No way Apple would come out and say "We wanted FaceID and TouchID under screen, but couldn't make it work so went with FaceID only" - it becomes "FaceID was the only technology we considered."

They could have said nothing, which they do a lot.

Logic defies FaceID being anything but option #1 anyway. You know how many years of R&D and supplier talks you need before you can execute on Apple's scale? You don't throw it all together in 6 months or a year.
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That's fine but journalism is only the first draft of history. I don't doubt there is truth to Apple's Face ID tale but it doesn't mean it's complete. (BTW there were stories of Apple engineers trying to get Touch ID under glass to work up until the X specs had to be finalized.) My point to you is more simple: you were not there so you can't make a definite statement one way or the other. Reading about history is very different than actually being there first hand. It's like looking at an object in 2D vs 3D.

We have the statement from the hardware chief, which I choose to believe.

 

[DNichter]

A smaller notch is still fugly. Look at the Essential phone which is an excellent phone with ceramic build quality but the notch is the reason it's not selling well even after price drops. iPhone X is even fuglier.

https://www.androidcentral.com/only-88000-units-essential-phone-were-sold-2017

Nah, apparently that phone is super slow. It's also a phone from a startup. Not surprising at all that it isn't selling.

 

[capandjudy]

People still care about the notch? I've had my X since day one. I don't even notice it.

Right. It’s a nonissue for me. Everyone knew that the notch was going to be there well before the iPhone X came to market. It’s a really good phone but not if it causes the buyer a lot of worry or post purchase anxiety.

 

[bushman4]

this story seems to be based entirely on a few analysts thoughts and hopes
There is no substantiation or source backing this up

 

[Icaras]

Don't want a smaller notch. Want NO notch, and no rounded corners while we're at it. I'm perfectly fine with a "forehead" and "chin" for sensors. Also still want a home button. We have an X for app testing, and so many touch gestures to remember with no reference. I find the X frustrating and gimmicky.

I sure hope they have a successor to the 8 or I guess I'll be buying a year old phone... I guess it'll cheaper at least.

I won’t miss the notch, but I LOVE the rounded corners of the X. I hope Apple brings this over to the iPad and Mac.

 

[Cosmosent]

RE: "by analysts Andrew Gardiner, Hiral Patel, Joseph Wolf, and Blayne Curtis at investment bank Barclays."


It took FOUR so-called Professional Stock Analysts to tell us the notch may be smaller ??? WTF ??? Barclays Team, get your act together !!! ... there are much more important topics you should be covering ! ... recommend you look into 10-bit color !

 

[Chupa Chupa]

We have the statement from the hardware chief, which I choose to believe.

And again, not sure why this is so hard for you to comprehend: your personal belief in the truth or untruth of someone else's statement, a news story, whatever 3rd party source you want to cite, does not constitute the end-all-and-be-all, end of discussion. You were not there. You are a cyber bystander nowhere near the action. Your opinion is your opinion, not a statement of fact -- other than X said something.

 

[Boatboy24]

New, improved notch! Now 27% thinner!!!

 

[ravenstar]

In-display fingerprint sensor it the future, let the ugly notch rest in peace.

I can just hear all the complaints about how hard it is to find just the right spot to put your finger, or about how they had to buff up the screen to provide tactile feedback to locate the sensor. Unless the entire display is a sensor, in-display fingerprint sensors are just a bad idea.

 

[DNichter]

I can just hear all the complaints about how hard it is to find just the right spot to put your finger, or about how they had to buff up the screen to provide tactile feedback to locate the sensor. Unless the entire display is a sensor, in-display fingerprint sensors are just a bad idea.

Agreed. It's a complete waste of time and will never happen. By the time you locate the Touch ID sensor on the screen, Face ID would already be unlocked. Face ID is already better than Touch ID, but will only get better. Time to move on...

 

[eldo33]

People still care about the notch? I've had my X since day one. I don't even notice it.

We care cuz it's a sored eye to own.

even with this deal i'm NOT upgrading: http://bgr.com/2018/02/12/iphone-x-buy-one-get-one-free-deal-att-vs-verizon/

 

[doelcm82]

Replace the notch with a headphone jack. That'll wipe out two years of complaints.

That’s a terrible place for a headphone jack!

 

[AppleMark]

Under your interpretation of EU law.

How many people got free battery replacements in the EU in the time before the release of iOS 10.2.1? How many people got free battery replacements for a full six years in the EU for any kind of device whose battery performance dropped significantly (eg, below 50% of original capacity)?

Wrong, but not going to bother arguing with you.

I can however speak about the implementation of EU law (by both Apple and John Lewis) in my cases over the recent years. I cannot speak for others and I know this is the church of Apple for some of you. So do not want to blaspheme.

If a fault effected the device regardless of what comes after in the form of a non physical action / update to remedy, the physical device was / is arguably still impeded by the original fault.

I have history with Apple on the 6 year law and been have been successful with my MacBook air (hinge gate) 5 years after they sent me away saying it was a customer error why the hinge snapped after 6 months of use. And with my iPhone 6, that was out or warranty, had no apple care that failed to boot after 2 1/2 years. It had not one scratch, mark, or dent. No evidence of water damage and the "out of warranty fee" was waived when I proposed my action if not replaced free under warranty.

I am not here to convert you, or anybody else - so feel free to spend your money as you see fit. However you just need to stand your ground and you will find the manager in the Apple store will not want the hassle of it all. However if your device has evidence of being dropped etc - which 2 Apple genius were frantically looking for - you will not have a chance. I always keep my gear in A1 condition and always in cases.

I just needed to print off the recall notice from the Apple website and John Lewis replaced my MBA (Of course, after 6-8 email exchanges try to fob me off that I missed the recall window - which is another story.. and argument also won).

So the law has worked for me.

 

[burgman]

Bigger notch, smaller notch, no notch why do people keep falling for these click bait chrystal ball news stories?

 

[AppleMark]

Do you have a link or a source?

Source - Anybody who knows their EU / UK consumer rights. Apple confirmed the product did not conform with the Contract of Sale, when it admitted the fault in the effected devices. So when it became / becomes defective with said issue, there really is no counter argument. They will of course try to fob you off at first, as Apple staff are well trained in the SJ Martial Art of "you are using it wrong".

Link - it is on the Apple website and trading standards etc. Google is your friend...

https://www.apple.com/uk/legal/statutory-warranty/

 

[manu chao]

Wrong, but not going to bother arguing with you.

I can however speak about the implementation of EU law (by both Apple and John Lewis) in my cases over the recent years. I cannot speak for others and I know this is the church of Apple for some of you. So do not want to blaspheme.

If a fault effected the device regardless of what comes after in the form of a non physical action / update to remedy, the physical device was / is arguably still impeded by the original fault.

I have history with Apple on the 6 year law and been have been successful with my MacBook air (hinge gate) 5 years after they sent me away saying it was a customer error why the hinge snapped after 6 months of use. And with my iPhone 6, that was out or warranty, had no apple care that failed to boot after 2 1/2 years. It had not one scratch, mark, or dent. No evidence of water damage and the "out of warranty fee" was waived when I proposed my action if not replaced free under warranty.

You know exactly that batteries are a different category (consumables) for which the six-year rule doesn't apply. You know exactly that rechargeable batteries don't get replaced routinely for free during this six-year period in any kind of consumer product in the EU. You don't have an example and if this were applicable law, you know exactly that this would be widely known and there would be tons of examples.

You probably have set your mind to that the throttling means that the product doesn't fulfil its original specifications. And you are right. But you forget that Apple can (and will shortly) allow users to switch off the throttling. Without throttling, you just have a battery looses performance fairly early (after as little as about a year). There might be an argument that for devices between one and two years old, the battery shouldn't have lost too much performance. But nobody can make an argument that a rechargeable battery should last six years without any significant performance decrease.

Here is an introduction to "The Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002" written by the Department of Trade and Industry. A few relevant quotes are:

• This does not mean all goods have to last six years! It is the limit for making a claim in respect of a fault that was present at the time of sale.
• He would find a court unsympathetic in the latter years for low cost items [...] or for consumables like oil filters which have a specified limited lifespan.
• Similarly, when a watch stops because a battery has come to the end of its life – assuming it had lasted a reasonable time - there are no grounds for complaint that the watch is not conforming to contract.
  

 

[satchmo]

I thought the notch was partly due to branding and recognition. Not unlike the iMac's chin could likely be removed or certainly lessened.

Even if they could remove it entirely, would they?

 

[Rogifan]

Anybody could predict that a future iPhone will have a smaller notch (or no notch at all). I need to get a job at one of these analyst firms. They get paid a ton of money to state the obvious.

 

[juiyout]

I am surprised some people still think Touch ID is coming back. Logic and history would say otherwise.

Do you think Function keys are abandoned as well?

 

[DNichter]

Do you think Function keys are abandoned as well?

I am not sure what you are asking or how it pertains to the discussion

 

[tkukoc]

Won't get me to buy it.. we need a software overhaul.. hardware changes are extremely minimal these days. Time to get back to basics! IOS 12 is going to be a dud because they put all "new" interface changes on the back burner.. so another year of waiting. agh... no new Apple phones/ipads till a new system overhaul for this guy.

 

[juiyout]

I am not sure what you are asking or how it pertains to the discussion

In the latest MBP, Apple replaced Function keys with TouchBar. In a way, it is not dissimilar to the transition from Touch ID to Face ID. I'm just curious about your take, by judging logic and history, on the likelihood for the Function keys to come back.