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In the latest MBP, Apple replaced Function keys with TouchBar. In a way, it is not dissimilar to the transition from Touch ID to Face ID. I'm just curious about your take, by judging logic and history, on the likelihood for the Function keys to come back.

The function keys still exist, regardless of whether they are a touch screen or physical key. I would say at some point, they will move to an all touch screen keyboard/touchpad combo with tactile feedback, but I am not sure how quickly that will happen. It would be delegated to a higher price point, the same way that the TouchBar is, but there will likely be physical keys available on some of their products for the foreseeable future.
 
You know exactly that batteries are a different category (consumables) for which the six-year rule doesn't apply. You know exactly that rechargeable batteries don't get replaced routinely for free during this six-year period in any kind of consumer product in the EU. You don't have an example and if this were applicable law, you know exactly that this would be widely known and there would be tons of examples.

You probably have set your mind to that the throttling means that the product doesn't fulfil its original specifications. And you are right. But you forget that Apple can (and will shortly) allow users to switch off the throttling. Without throttling, you just have a battery looses performance fairly early (after as little as about a year). There might be an argument that for devices between one and two years old, the battery shouldn't have lost too much performance. But nobody can make an argument that a rechargeable battery should last six years without any significant performance decrease.

Here is an introduction to "The Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002" written by the Department of Trade and Industry. A few relevant quotes are:
  • This does not mean all goods have to last six years! It is the limit for making a claim in respect of a fault that was present at the time of sale.
  • He would find a court unsympathetic in the latter years for low cost items [...] or for consumables like oil filters which have a specified limited lifespan.
  • Similarly, when a watch stops because a battery has come to the end of its life – assuming it had lasted a reasonable time - there are no grounds for complaint that the watch is not conforming to contract.

All well and good, but your interpretation and quotation of the Act assumes a natural end of life - such as a watch battery needed replacement. This is not a natural end of life scenario. The is a known defect that effected and compromised the "consumable". Not the same argument.

BTW and FWIW, I still have the original iPad on iOS5 and never had to change the battery and still holds it's charge.
 
And again, not sure why this is so hard for you to comprehend: your personal belief in the truth or untruth of someone else's statement, a news story, whatever 3rd party source you want to cite, does not constitute the end-all-and-be-all, end of discussion. You were not there. You are a cyber bystander nowhere near the action. Your opinion is your opinion, not a statement of fact -- other than X said something.
I didn't just conjure up my belief system, which is what people who say FaceID was a "backup" plan did. Maybe it's true, maybe not, but at least there is an Apple source to back my thinking. Why shouldn't we take it for face value? It also makes logical sense. This has been years in the making.
 
All well and good, but your interpretation and quotation of the Act assumes a natural end of life - such as a watch battery needed replacement. This is not a natural end of life scenario.
Rechargeable batteries have a natural end of life scenario as a function of the number of recharge cycles (and to a lesser degree also age). Apple even puts these numbers into its technical specs. And within these specs, you might have a point. But the age spec is far shorter than six years.
BTW and FWIW, I still have the original iPad on iOS5 and never had to change the battery and still holds it's charge.
And how many charge cycles does your iPad have?
 
They’re probably confusing leaks related to next year’s redesign thinking they’re for this year’s iPhone X successor. I don’t think Apple wants to risk production delays this year.
 
I thought the notch was partly due to branding and recognition. Not unlike the iMac's chin could likely be removed or certainly lessened.

Even if they could remove it entirely, would they?

Nope! Like they said, they just want to "take it down a notch". :p
 
I didn't just conjure up my belief system, which is what people who say FaceID was a "backup" plan did. Maybe it's true, maybe not, but at least there is an Apple source to back my thinking. Why shouldn't we take it for face value? It also makes logical sense. This has been years in the making.

Hmm. Why shouldn't we take official corporate line for face value? I don't know. Enron said a lot of fantastic matter-of-fact things about it's products. Tobacco companies pounded the table that nicotine did not cause cancer -- even as they were sitting on their own studies that said maybe it did. The maker of Listerine use to (falsely) say the mouthwash prevented colds. Equifax claimed consumer data stored in it's computers was safe. Later we discover it was not -- and Equifax knew for months before it informed the public. Intel said it's chips were secure. But we now know, not exactly.

Don't be one of those incurious lazybones that takes things for face value, believes everything they are told. The people who run companies, and people in general, have a vested interest is only saying things that put them or their company in the best light. Even bad news is couched in a way to look good. Did you see how caring your favorite oil company is saving birds after an oil spill. So sweet of them. You clearly are young based on your thought pattern. Learn to take a step back and ask questions. Nothing is perfect. It's silly to expect it, even of Apple. Apple says lots of things. Years later when the books are written we find out what it didn't say. Stay tuned.
 
Face ID with top bezel instead of notch. In-screen touch ID. Best of both worlds.
Looks like I'll just get the 8 and use it until such phone comes.
Have no dealbreakers using a 6 on iOS 11 so I can wait a long time while using the 8.
 
Don't want a smaller notch. Want NO notch, and no rounded corners while we're at it. I'm perfectly fine with a "forehead" and "chin" for sensors. Also still want a home button. We have an X for app testing, and so many touch gestures to remember with no reference. I find the X frustrating and gimmicky.

I sure hope they have a successor to the 8 or I guess I'll be buying a year old phone... I guess it'll cheaper at least.

I also don’t want a notch. I had been several times at stores to see If I like the X but, nope. My eyes are going fast to the notch. So, I guess that I will buy the 8 plus since it has, at the same, one of the best benchamrks of the smartphones world. And I still like the look. I don’t care if it has bezels. I like Touch ID also. And the aspect ration of 8 plus is better than X when we see videos.
I respect all that are owners of X and like it.
 
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Hmm. Why shouldn't we take official corporate line for face value? I don't know. Enron said a lot of fantastic matter-of-fact things about it's products. Tobacco companies pounded the table that nicotine did not cause cancer -- even as they were sitting on their own studies that said maybe it did. The maker of Listerine use to (falsely) say the mouthwash prevented colds. Equifax claimed consumer data stored in it's computers was safe. Later we discover it was not -- and Equifax knew for months before it informed the public. Intel said it's chips were secure. But we now know, not exactly.

Don't be one of those incurious lazybones that takes things for face value, believes everything they are told. The people who run companies, and people in general, have a vested interest is only saying things that put them or their company in the best light. Even bad news is couched in a way to look good. Did you see how caring your favorite oil company is saving birds after an oil spill. So sweet of them. You clearly are young based on your thought pattern. Learn to take a step back and ask questions. Nothing is perfect. It's silly to expect it, even of Apple. Apple says lots of things. Years later when the books are written we find out what it didn't say. Stay tuned.
Stopped reading when you compared AAPL to Enron.

BTW, Buffett just bought another 34 Million shares of AAPL, making it Berkshire's largest equity position at 165 Million shares.
 
Stopped reading when you compared AAPL to Enron.

BTW, Buffett just bought another 34 Million shares of AAPL, making it Berkshire's largest equity position at 165 Million shares.

I doubt it -- the first part above. You probably didn't want to read it because Apple is clearly a religion to you, not a CE company, and you must preach the gospel according to Tim. OK then. Resume sticking your head in the sand. But my examples were not to directly compare any company with Apple, but rather examples of official company statements that turn out to be not exactly true. Be brave and go read the post if you dare.

And BTW I never said AAPL wasn't a good investment so the Buffett quip is a bit of a non-sequitur. You'll hate to know this, but I bet on Apple back in 2001, way before Buffet and when you were still in diapers probably. Never tempted to sell a single share even in some of Apple's darker quarters and times of uncertainty like when Jobs passed.

Also, just for reference, I currently own at least of one current Apple product from every major line they have: iPhone, iMac, Laptops, iPad, ATV, AW. I very much enjoy Apple projects and have been doing so since '88 -- around the time your parents probably graduated High School. But liking Apple products, investing in the company itself -- or any company's products or stock -- doesn't mean you should take everything said verbatim and never question it.

The funny thing is, when it comes to sport's fans are the team's biggest critics because they want it to do better. With Mac's it's the opposite, they just want to pretend everything is perfection even if it's not -- only better than the rest.
 
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Jony Ive: "now, the notch is 25% thinner".
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Don't want a smaller notch. Want NO notch, and no rounded corners while we're at it. I'm perfectly fine with a "forehead" and "chin" for sensors. Also still want a home button. We have an X for app testing, and so many touch gestures to remember with no reference. I find the X frustrating and gimmicky.

I sure hope they have a successor to the 8 or I guess I'll be buying a year old phone... I guess it'll cheaper at least.

Are you seriously confused by the gestures on the iPhone X? I honestly think you'll have a hard time on Android. Honestly I think you'd not even have issues if it was your daily driver after a week.

How dare you questioning the design philosophy of our great deity apple and the pastor Jony?!?

/s

Personally, i think is BS the heavy handed approach from apple.

The home button and touchID are more useful (to me) than the faceid and stupid gestures on the X.

hehe. I'm not certain Jony Ive was in charge of the iPhone X design. He's the spokesperson but I don't think he had a hand in design.

A smaller notch is still fugly. Look at the Essential phone which is an excellent phone with ceramic build quality but the notch is the reason it's not selling well even after price drops. iPhone X is even fuglier.

https://www.androidcentral.com/only-88000-units-essential-phone-were-sold-2017

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Yeah I guessed that this was NOT going to sell well.
too many delays, expensive pricing with nothing REALLY beneficial over other Android phones - ONLY the "creator" of Android (Rubin) was the driver for attention. Why on earth is google STILL using his signature on the greeting email when you create a gmail account anyway? No word on their Echo fighter. No word on their auto adjusting "AI" either. Seems like a cash grab. Great design personally I think and good choice on materials yet with no IP rating for dust and water resistance it was a fail.
 
There’s no need to make it smaller. I don’t even notice the notch and got used to it rather quickly. Just for the love of god, make it faster. Face ID is great technology, but the first generation is really slow. Remember how fast Touch ID was on the 7/7Plus? It unlocked the moment you’ve put your finger on the Home button. It was so blazingly fast that we unlocked our phones even by accident! Now you need to wait like .5 seconds.
 
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Imagine how old and busted the iPhone X will look once this hits the shelves in 2019, and overnight the resale value will be in the toilet. That's the new Apple for you.

What evidence do you have of that?
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Don't want a smaller notch. Want NO notch, and no rounded corners while we're at it. I'm perfectly fine with a "forehead" and "chin" for sensors. Also still want a home button. We have an X for app testing, and so many touch gestures to remember with no reference. I find the X frustrating and gimmicky.

So you want less usable screen space? How is it that the ears bother people so much that they'd rather have a smaller screen with the carrier/time/battery info located lower in space that would otherwise be usable by apps?
 
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