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Baseball Season 2006

aloofman said:
He may be the best pitcher of the last 50 years, but he's probably the most selfish player I've ever seen.
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At that age, at his position, with a family and numerous kids, I could understand where he's coming from. I don't think he feels like he owes anyone anything.

Regarding the shortened season for Clemens...remember when his body started to fail? Sore back, strained hamstring...? I think by coming back June 22nd and pitching a shortened season, it would lessen the possibility of injuries.
 
job said:
At that age, at his position, with a family and numerous kids, I could understand where he's coming from. I don't think he feels like he owes anyone anything.

Regarding the shortened season for Clemens...remember when his body started to fail? Sore back, strained hamstring...? I think by coming back June 22nd and pitching a shortened season, it would lessen the possibility of injuries.
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There have been quite a few star players that had a wife and kids and injury worries. I can't think of any that demanded or got this much special treatment from a team before.
 
IJ Reilly said:
But for a base hit, though wasn't it?
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Third baseman had to race in and try to barehand it. Since he wasn't Adrian Beltre, it didn't work. You're safe at first.
 
You two need to stop making these snarky comments about Steve Garvey. I know, I know, he was hands down the most selfish, egotistical player the world has ever seen, but there are sooo many Dodgers who come in second. 😉 😀
 
Sayhey said:
You two need to stop making these snarky comments about Steve Garvey. I know, I know, he was hands down the most selfish, egotistical player the world has ever seen, but there are sooo many Dodgers who come in second. 😉 😀
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The hilarious thing about Steve Garvey is that he put on this unselfish good guy front in public, but everyone on the team knew what an ***hole he was. The other players nicknamed him Mr. Perfect.

Besides, as much as many teams today wish for a guy who can hit like a current unnamed player, a Giants GM in the 1970s would have kicked his mom down a flight stairs to have Garvey at first base. 😛
 
aloofman said:
The hilarious thing about Steve Garvey is that he put on this unselfish good guy front in public, but everyone on the team knew what an ***hole he was. The other players nicknamed him Mr. Perfect.

Besides, as much as many teams today wish for a guy who can hit like a current unnamed player, a Giants GM in the 1970s would have kicked his mom down a flight stairs to have Garvey at first base. 😛
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Possibly everybody already knows, but the Garvey facade has crumbled to dust. He's got debts all over the place, but is still living large.
 
aloofman said:
Besides, as much as many teams today wish for a guy who can hit like a current unnamed player, a Giants GM in the 1970s would have kicked his mom down a flight stairs to have Garvey at first base. 😛
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Depends on the year. When we had McCovey (1959 - 1973, 1977 - 1980) in his prime at first there wasn't any Dodger who was close to his talent, much less Garvey. Mac may not have been his best in the '70s but he was still better than Senator Steve in many of those years. Care to put together a list of all-time Giants by position compared to all-time Dodgers?

Here is my list of SF Giants (leaving off the New York years):

Catcher - Bob Brenly
First Base - Willie McCovey
2nd Base - Jeff Kent
Shortstop - Omar Vizquel (I know this one is cheating, but he is the best we ever had)
Third Base - Matt Williams
Left Field - Barry Bonds
Center Field - Willie Mays
Right Field - Bobby Bonds

Bench - Tom Haller, Orlando Cepeda, Will Clark, Robbie Thompson

Starting Pitching
Juan Marichal
Gaylord Perry
Jason Schmidt
Mike McCormick
Vida Blue

Closer - Robb Nen

Care to argue which club had better players at each position? If I take away Vizquel you guys win at short with Wills and I'll give you catcher (Piazza over Brenly) otherwise it's not close until we get to the old Marichal/Koufax argument. Of course you folks do have a couple of those nasty little world series trophies, but other than that .... 😉
 
It's kind of a silly game, but I'll play.

Catcher: Roseboro
First: Guerrero or Murray
Second: Kent (it's so nice to share)
SS: Wills
Third: Cey
OF: Snider
OF: Butler
OF: Baker

Rotation: (tough to choose only five)

Koufax
Drysdale
Valenzuela
Hershiser
John
Sutton

Closer: guess
 
IJ Reilly said:
It's kind of a silly game, but I'll play.
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I know, but thanks for playing.

Catcher: Roseboro -- Not Piazza?
First: Guerrero or Murray -- Murray I can understand but he really belongs with the Orioles; wasn't Pedro really a right fielder for the Dodgers?
Second: Kent (it's so nice to share) -- Not Lopes? Kent was a great Giant but has his contributions as a Dodger overshadowed Lopes?
SS: Wills -- obvious, but if you get to count Murray (three seasons) I'll take Vizquel (in his second season) and we win.
Third: Cey -- hated the guy for what he did to the Giants, but good choice. Still, Williams was better.
OF: Snider -- he did play in LA but well passed his prime - only hit 20 hrs once in LA, also a CF which you seem to have two of? How about Tommy Davis? Mays was, in my humble opinion, the best all-round player and best CF ever.
OF: Butler -- Does he play right on your team? I could say the same about sharing, but you can have him. Bobby was better. Better glove (3 gold gloves); better leadoff man; much better arm; much, much better power hitter. Well, maybe not better as a leadoff man, but it is close. Bonds had unbelievable speed.
OF: Baker -- good choice, but no contest.

Rotation: (tough to choose only five)

Koufax -- Sandy was great, but I'll still take Marichal
Drysdale -- God, I hated this guy, but he was almost as good a pitcher as Gaylord.
Valenzuela -- I'll give you this one.
Hershiser -- no sharing on this one, he is yours through and through.
John -- I'd pitch Vida against him and Blue would be the favorite.
Sutton -- He and Gaylord deserve a whole separate section unto themselves. Still only five allowed.

Closer: guess -- You can take Steve Howe if you want. 😉
 
It turns out Jeffrey Maier is in talks w/ Peter Angelos {edit: huge error, originally wrote Ted Leonsis the Caps Owner OMG, what an horrible error} about a possible place in the Orioles organization. Apparently, his performace while @ Wesleyan has impressed the owner. Heard it on the sporting news this morning, so far no links that I could find. Anybody hear about this?
 
Catcher: Roseboro -- Not Piazza?

This is why the game is pretty silly. Sure, Piazza had several good years at the plate, but he had few behind it. With that rag arm, he was a defensive liability.

First: Guerrero or Murray -- Murray I can understand but he really belongs with the Orioles; wasn't Pedro really a right fielder for the Dodgers?

I thought I remembered him playing some first, but you're correct, mainly OF. As for Murray, all these guys moved around. Nobody really "belongs" ot anyone.

Second: Kent (it's so nice to share) -- Not Lopes? Kent was a great Giant but has his contributions as a Dodger overshadowed Lopes?

I'd had Lopes in there to start (along with Garvey, Cey and Russell) but decided to go with Kent just to tease you. 😉

SS: Wills -- obvious, but if you get to count Murray (three seasons) I'll take Vizquel (in his second season) and we win.

So you think.

Third: Cey -- hated the guy for what he did to the Giants, but good choice. Still, Williams was better.

So maybe I should go with the entire Cey-Russell-Lopes-Garvey infield, the most famous and productive since Tinker-Evers-Chance. Now that's got to beat any SFG infield that actually played at the same time.

OF: Snider -- he did play in LA but well passed his prime - only hit 20 hrs once in LA, also a CF which you seem to have two of? How about Tommy Davis? Mays was, in my humble opinion, the best all-round player and best CF ever.

Mays is hard to beat of course. Snider is in the HoF so I chose him.

OF: Butler -- Does he play right on your team? I could say the same about sharing, but you can have him. Bobby was better. Better glove (3 gold gloves); better leadoff man; much better arm; much, much better power hitter. Well, maybe not better as a leadoff man, but it is close. Bonds had unbelievable speed.

Again, Butler was in there mainly to tease you with another expatriate Giant. Never won a Gold Glove, but deserved it IMO. Generally underrated. Fine lead-off hitter and great all-around hustle. The fans down here loved him.

OF: Baker -- good choice, but no contest.

Rotation: (tough to choose only five)

Koufax -- Sandy was great, but I'll still take Marichal
Drysdale -- God, I hated this guy, but he was almost as good a pitcher as Gaylord.
Valenzuela -- I'll give you this one.
Hershiser -- no sharing on this one, he is yours through and through.
John -- I'd pitch Vida against him and Blue would be the favorite.
Sutton -- He and Gaylord deserve a whole separate section unto themselves. Still only five allowed.

All debatable, all debatable.

Closer: guess -- You can take Steve Howe if you want.

Great, nobody else will. BTW, I forgot the bench. I choose that pitch-hitting slouch, Manny Mota. We absolutely own him!

And finally, do the SFG have a manager in the HoF? I didn't think so.
 
From NL Worst to NL Best!

The NL West has had all of their teams hanging at or above .500 for a while now. Are we the best division in baseball?
 
No. No you aren't.

The NL West is a bit more than mediocre -- it doesn't compare to a division like the AL Central, especially in terms of depth of starting pitching.

adamb100 said:
The entire Brewers pitching staff needs to be shot.
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Patience! When Sheets comes back, you have a good one/two punch of Sheets/Capuano. David Bush could be a number three, and Doug Davis is a good number four guy.

I know things look ugly now, but the Brewers will be in this for a while. All those pitching injuries, and you're only five back of the wild card!
 
MacsomJRR said:
The NL West has had all of their teams hanging at or above .500 for a while now. Are we the best division in baseball?
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Last I checked, the combined records of the NL West teams was higher than any other division in baseball. This makes the NL West the best division by the only measure that matters at this point.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Last I checked, the combined records of the NL West teams was higher than any other division in baseball. This makes the NL West the best division by the only measure that matters at this point.
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Yes cause we all know that every team in that division has a shot at winning the World Series.🙄
 
The Cardinals are in a bit of trouble as Pujols is out for at least a month with a strained right oblique.

Are the Red Sox kicking themselves yet for letting Bronson Arroyo go, he's gone 7-2.
 
aloofman said:
He may be the best pitcher of the last 50 years, but he's probably the most selfish player I've ever seen.
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I've got to go with Bob Gibson or Koufax there. Clemens is often great, but often not too. Honestly, he was never the dominator he was supposed to be during his time in New York.
 
MacNut said:
Yes cause we all know that every team in that division has a shot at winning the World Series.🙄
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That wasn't even the question. The only objective way to judge team performance is by their win-loss record. By that measure (last I checked), the NL West had the best combined record of any division. This may be a surprise, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.
 
MacNut said:
The Cardinals are in a bit of trouble as Pujols is out for at least a month with a strained right oblique.

Are the Red Sox kicking themselves yet for letting Bronson Arroyo go, he's gone 7-2.
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I wanted some parity between the cubs and cardinals ... just not in this way. It was a shame too, Pujols has been having some of his worst games against the cubs this year, I only wanted to see more of those.
 
Just for fun, I ran the numbers. As of Sunday morning, the combined division records, high to low:

NL West .540
AL East .534
AL Central .500
NL Central .485
NL East .482
AL West .468
 
IJ Reilly said:
Just for fun, I ran the numbers. As of Sunday morning, the combined division records, high to low:

NL West .540
AL East .534
AL Central .500
NL Central .485
NL East .482
AL West .468
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The thing is too that the NL West hasn't just been playing itself all this time, we are beating other teams too. 😛

WS here we come!
 
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