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Baseball Season 2006

aloofman said:
If the Tigers owner spent as much as it took to contend the way he as for the Red Wings, they'd have been up there with the Red Sox and Yankees years ago. But maybe having a championship hockey team gets you farther in Detroit.
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See here's the thing that a lot of people seem to miss.. even during the Tiger's infamous 2003 season of 43-119 their payroll was nearly $50 million. During the Red Wings' peak years, their payroll was comparable (I don't have exact numbers but $60 million would be a fair estimate). $60 million in the NHL gets you the #1 payroll in the league. $50-60 million in the MLB gets you in the bottom third of the league in terms of payroll. Illitch was technically spending the same amount in payroll on his two teams... but what those two payrolls bought was completely different. Simply put, the economic realities of the two leagues are different.

Now if the argument was "Illitch should have spent on the Tigers a league-relative amount of payroll as he did on the Red Wings"... fine. But that would mean a $219 million payroll for the Tigers.
 
MacNut said:
I would still be concerned that Kenny Rogers had a fluke night. Nobody expected what he did and I would be worried that he will slip back to his old ways.
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I'll admit that I was not very excited that he was Detroits major off season signing, but after watching more games then I should have this year, I expected him to pitch that type of game v NY. Now he has done it again.

I am beside myself with how well this team has played all year. Nobody is having career years but everyone playing well together. Oakland is a bit banged up in the infield, but I don't know if it would matter, Detroit has had fanned 24 of the 75 Oakland hitters they had faced.


(and if you asks me, that camera man in Texas was asking for it last year :p )

Go get'em Tigers
 
I don't believe it! :eek:

Detroit just scored 3 runs in the bottom of the 9th to win the series agains't Oakland 4-0
 
It's really a miracle the A's have come as far as they did considering the number of injuries they have had all year. Even if Zito walks after this season (likely) I still like the A's in 2007; they'll still have plenty of talent to have a solid starting rotation.

It was a fun year, despite the sour end. I can't wait for Spring Training 2007.
 
Here we go with the all-important, must win game 5. STL rolls the dice with Weaver, again. Any history with Cy Young and MVPs with Carpenter and Pujols seems irrelevant. Giving up the long ball, and the Card's bullpen throwing like they're after the sigh young award, is gnawing on the fingernails and at the back of the minds of STL's fans. I think whoever takes tonight, moves on.
 
stonyc said:
See here's the thing that a lot of people seem to miss.. even during the Tiger's infamous 2003 season of 43-119 their payroll was nearly $50 million. During the Red Wings' peak years, their payroll was comparable (I don't have exact numbers but $60 million would be a fair estimate). $60 million in the NHL gets you the #1 payroll in the league. $50-60 million in the MLB gets you in the bottom third of the league in terms of payroll. Illitch was technically spending the same amount in payroll on his two teams... but what those two payrolls bought was completely different. Simply put, the economic realities of the two leagues are different.

Now if the argument was "Illitch should have spent on the Tigers a league-relative amount of payroll as he did on the Red Wings"... fine. But that would mean a $219 million payroll for the Tigers.
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All I was saying was that the same billionaire owner was willing to lose money on the Red Wings each year if it meant they'd be a contender, but wasn't willing to do the same thing for the Tigers.

Not that it matters at this very moment!
 
aloofman said:
All I was saying was that the same billionaire owner was willing to lose money on the Red Wings each year if it meant they'd be a contender, but wasn't willing to do the same thing for the Tigers.
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Illitch took the Wings to the top of the NHL by drafting a ton of players and developing them, then augmenting them with free agents in the end. They went years without trading draft picks, and in a lot of cases, traded for extra picks to build from within.

One of the new models in baseball is to draft well enough to be able to trade those prospects to teams like Pittsburgh, Oakland, KC and other small market teams for their stars that have outgrown their team's budgets.
 
xsedrinam said:
Here we go with the all-important, must win game 5. STL rolls the dice with Weaver, again. Any history with Cy Young and MVPs with Carpenter and Pujols seems irrelevant. Giving up the long ball, and the Card's bullpen throwing like they're after the sigh young award, is gnawing on the fingernails and at the back of the minds of STL's fans. I think whoever takes tonight, moves on.
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Weaver's pitched well in the post-season this year, and I think had a pretty good September. Even in his loss to the Mets he only allowed 2 runs, which is good against this team.

That being said, I think you're right that tonight's game will pretty much decide the series. I don't have high hopes for my Cardinals after last night. That was just pitiful.

But they've surprised me before, so here's to crossed fingers.
 
Note for 2007 if it's not too early. :)

Lou Piniella is in Chicago and will be announced as the new Manager of the Cubs late today or tomorrow (Tuesday). :D
 
Cube54 said:
Note for 2007 if it's not too early. :)

Lou Piniella is in Chicago and will be announced as the new Manager of the Cubs late today or tomorrow (Tuesday). :D
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I'll say congratulations rather than condolences to Cub fans. For those who remember the '90 Reds, even at 63 Piniella's certainly capable of taking the Cubs where they haven't been for a long time.
 
Thought Pinella would be more likely to choose a contender. Maybe I'm missing something, but the Cubs don't look like they're going to be that good for the foreseeable future?

Wood and Prior could make a dynamic 8th/9th inning combo, I spose ...
 
thedude110 said:
Thought Pinella would be more likely to choose a contender. Maybe I'm missing something, but the Cubs don't look like they're going to be that good for the foreseeable future? ....
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Correct!

Except read WildCowboy's link. Who in their right mind would want that job next year??

Between just what happened and the NFL Raiders.... Managing/Coaching in Oakland is a really bad idea.

Come to think of it and having done so...Driving thru Oakland is a bad idea :eek:
 
Rain was the best relief for STL, tonight. Weaver will go with four days rest, and maybe the bullpen will get a chance to do whatever they need to do.
 
xsedrinam said:
I'll say congratulations rather than condolences to Cub fans. For those who remember the '90 Reds, even at 63 Piniella's certainly capable of taking the Cubs where they haven't been for a long time.
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Yes, but being from Chicago and being a baseball fan for a long time, there is no manager available that can make the Cubs win. Dusty did for one season, but it was all downhill from there. Pinella won't be able to get them anywhere. I fully expect the drought to reach 100 years.
 
Warbrain said:
Pinella won't be able to get them anywhere. I fully expect the drought to reach 100 years.
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Yee of little faith!!!!!!! Find Hope in my post :)

'Lou' is the only Manager to match the ->1908 Cubs<-> regular season wins :D
 
Warbrain said:
And might be a bit rusty. I don't want the Tigers to win, but they are the best team.
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I think the layoff will help more than it will hurt... some of the guys need some rest (Zoom and Casey especially).
 
Warbrain said:
And might be a bit rusty. I don't want the Tigers to win, but they are the best team.
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Coming off a sweep, no team wants to sit down for five days, even if they need it after a long season. I'm an NL fan, but I recognize that the Mets and Cards are beating each other up, while the Tigers get to take a breather, and this can only favor the Tigers in the series.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Coming off a sweep, no team wants to sit down for five days, even if they need it after a long season. I'm an NL fan, but I recognize that the Mets and Cards are beating each other up, while the Tigers get to take a breather, and this can only favor the Tigers in the series.
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Pujols has a pulled hamstring and has LaRussa's instruction to run under control (ergo: trot) so, unless he hits it out of the park or Ks every time, tonight, he's a sitting duck to get doubled up. I won't be surprised if he gets replaced with a pinch runner in a pinch.

Later: Top 6th - Al's already hit one out. STL got to Glavine, finally. 3-2 Cards.
Final: 4-2 STL Carpenter goes tomorrow for the NLC. I thought Kinney looked good for 1 1/3. Flores for one out and Wainwright did his job, tonight.
 
So now we know who the Tigers will massacre. This will be a true blood bath of a series.
 
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