Baseball Season 2006

[thedude110]

They're replaying pivotal playoff innings from the last few years on ESPNRadio at the moment.

Just heard the Cubs unravel in 2003 (unreal) and am currently listening to inning 8 of Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS.

Still, after these 3 years, I'm screaming at Grady Little: "Get Pedro! Timlin's ready! What's wrong with you!"

Hopefully 9:30 will bring 2004 and better memories.

EDIT: He did it again. He went out to get Pedro, and he left him there. John Miller says:

And, he's going to leave him in there! That's amazing. That's amazing!

Ugh. And there goes freaking Matsui. And still he won't get Pedro.

And now out comes Grady Little. 7 of the last 9 Yankees have reached base and he's given it all up and only now does Little come to get Pedro.

Punk.

 

[xsedrinam]

Welp, no baseball tonight. Postponed.
War at Home is a poor substitute for just about any evening on TV.
And thedude110, I'm glad you can still relive the emotions of '03. Listening to the rehash must have been therapeutic.

 

[Jschultz]

When was the old Comiskey taken down, '91? I was in Chicago for meetings back when they were playing in first round ALC. So, I snuck out at the last minute and got a seat online (like $125), but for the life of me, I can't remember when ('93 or '94) and who the Sox were playing. Seems like I remember Molitor playing so would that be Toronto vs. Chicago, back then?

Anyway, that's the only game I got to see in Chicago.

Good memory. You've got everything correct there. Oddly enough, I was at a game in that series too (it was 1993)

 

[xsedrinam]

Looks like there'll be a game tonight. Weather forecast in STL calls for a 10% chance of precip after 18h:00 but the humidity will be near 100%. The only thing as unpredictable as the weather is what S.I. John Donovan writes about the Cards from day to day. He's beginning to like their chances which should make some STL fans nervous.

I do like Aaron Miles in for a pot-bellied Belliard, with Duncan in RF and Wilson in LF. Donovan also thinks Edmonds is seeing the ball again, so look for him to wear the collar, tonight, though I hope that's not the case.

 

[mrgreen4242]

Ok, not a huge baseball guy, need to get some clarification...

Bottom of the eighth, 1 out. Strike three gets away from the catcher, the runner takes off towards home plate. Clearly there's times that's OK and times (like this) when it's not. Can someone explain?

(Bah, Cards just went up 5-4 over me Tigz!)

 

[MacNut]

Ok, not a huge baseball guy, need to get some clarification...

Bottom of the eighth, 1 out. Strike three gets away from the catcher, the runner takes off towards home plate. Clearly there's times that's OK and times (like this) when it's not. Can someone explain?

(Bah, Cards just went up 5-4 over me Tigz!)

Usually if the ball is way off and there is no one to cover the plate its a good idea to risk it, only if there is no more then 1 out and if its a tight game with a hard time scoring runs. Its not a good idea with 2 outs, losing the game or if someone is close to cover the plate or the ball doesn't get far enough away from the catcher.

 

[WildCowboy]

Just saw the runner on espn2 that it looks like Bochy to the Giants is really going to happen.

 

[yg17]

And the Cards are 1 game away from winning the world series!

 

[mrgreen4242]

Usually if the ball is way off and there is no one to cover the plate its a good idea to risk it, only if there is no more then 1 out and if its a tight game with a hard time scoring runs. Its not a good idea with 2 outs, losing the game or if someone is close to cover the plate or the ball doesn't get far enough away from the catcher.

Well, it was a swing and miss for a third strike I think... so he was already out, but ran off like he could take first still? Was odd.

 

[MacNut]

Well, it was a swing and miss for a third strike I think... so he was already out, but ran off like he could take first still? Was odd.

that would be scored a strikeout and a steal of 1st.

 

[xsedrinam]

6.05
A batter is out when --
(a) His fair or foul fly ball (other than a foul tip) is legally caught by a fielder;
Rule 6.05(a) Comment: A fielder may reach into, but not step into, a dugout to make a catch, and if he holds the ball, the catch shall be allowed. A fielder, in order to make a catch on a foul ball nearing a dugout or other out-of-play area (such as the stands), must have one or both feet on or over the playing surface (including the lip of the dugout) and neither foot on the ground inside the dugout or in any other out-of-play area. Ball is in play, unless the fielder, after making a legal catch, falls into a dugout or other out-of-play area, in which case the ball is dead. Status of runners shall be as described in Rule 7.04(c) Comment.
(b) A third strike is legally caught by the catcher;
Rule 6.05(b) Comment: “Legally caught” means in the catcher’s glove before the ball touches the ground. It is not legal if the ball lodges in his clothing or paraphernalia; or if it touches the umpire and is caught by the catcher on the rebound.
If a foul-tip first strikes the catcher’s glove and then goes on through and is caught by both hands against his body or protector, before the ball touches the ground, it is a strike, and if third strike, batter is out. If smothered against his body or protector, it is a catch provided the ball struck the catcher’s glove or hand first.
(c) A third strike is not caught by the catcher when first base is occupied before two are out;

Man, 6 errors in 4 games by four Tiger pitchers. What can be said for that? They gave it away, tonight, but STL will be glad to go 3-1. Thanks to Donovan talking up Edmonds, he goes 0-4 tonight.

 

[mrgreen4242]

that would be scored a strikeout and a steal of 1st.

I understand now, thanks (to both you and xsedrinam). Still seems like a stupid rule. So, if there was one out when this happened, and he succeeded, would there then be two outs, but he'd be on base?

Ya, the pitching errors have basically cost the Tigz the series at this point. They are gonna have to spend all off season training with Rogers on how to field a ball properly!

 

[MacNut]

I understand now, thanks (to both you and xsedrinam). Still seems like a stupid rule. So, if there was one out when this happened, and he succeeded, would there then be two outs, but he'd be on base?

Its scored a strikeout but the runner is allowed to run to the base if the catcher doesn't hold on to the ball.

6.09
The batter becomes a runner when --
(a) He hits a fair ball;
(b) The third strike called by the umpire is not caught, providing (1) first base is unoccupied, or (2) first base is occupied with two out;
Rule 6.09(b) Comment: A batter who does not realize his situation on a third strike not caught, and who is not in the process of running to first base, shall be declared out once he leaves the dirt circle surrounding home plate.

 

[xsedrinam]

I understand now, thanks (to both you and xsedrinam). Still seems like a stupid rule. So, if there was one out when this happened, and he succeeded, would there then be two outs, but he'd be on base?

Encarnación struck out with one out and Molina (I think it was) on first. Molina moved to 2nd on the pass ball (wild pitch). Encarnación ran, but if you recall, he was ruled out which left a runner on 2nd with two out.

 

[mrgreen4242]

Encarnación struck out with one out and Molina (I think it was) on first. Molina moved to 2nd on the pass ball (wild pitch). Encarnación ran, but if you recall, he was ruled out which left a runner on 2nd with two out.

I think they actually moved the runner back to first, since that's where he was and so it wasn't legal to steal first, which is why he was out. That's what a I gathered from the commentary, at least. Like I said, not a baseball nut, just a casual fan who will watch the home team in the playoffs.

 

[MacNut]

If its a passed ball or wild pitch the runners can advance a base.

 

[mrgreen4242]

If its a passed ball or wild pitch the runners can advance a base.

Er, not trying to argue with you, because I simply don't know, but just from reading your last comment,

"(b) The third strike called by the umpire is not caught, providing (1) first base is unoccupied, or (2) first base is occupied with two out;"

Since there was a runner on 1st and there was only 1 out, the batter was out even though it was a passed pitch and he made it to 1st, no? Again, not arguing, just trying learn something about baseball!

 

[MacNut]

Im gonna have to see the play again to figure out what happened.

 

[mrgreen4242]

Im gonna have to see the play again to figure out what happened.

Hehe, see it's confusing and you even know the rules! Ah well, I get the gist of it now, at least. Thanks for the help!

 

[MacNut]

Hehe, see it's confusing and you even know the rules! Ah well, I get the gist of it now, at least. Thanks for the help!

J Zumaya relieved F Rodney.
Y Molina walked.
A Miles grounded into fielder's choice to third, Y Molina out at second.
J Encarnacion struck out swinging, A Miles to second on wild pitch by J Zumaya.
D Eckstein doubled to center, A Miles scored.
S Taguchi fouled out to first.

So it was a strike out take 2nd on the wild pitch.

 

[xsedrinam]

J Zumaya relieved F Rodney.
Y Molina walked.
A Miles grounded into fielder's choice to third, Y Molina out at second.
J Encarnacion struck out swinging, A Miles to second on wild pitch by J Zumaya.
D Eckstein doubled to center, A Miles scored.
S Taguchi fouled out to first.

So it was a strike out take 2nd on the wild pitch.

Right you are. This is how the official Play by Play reads. Cardinals eighth: Zumaya pitching. Molina walked on four pitches. Miles grounded into fielder's choice, third baseman Inge to second baseman Polanco, Molina out. Encarnacion struck out. On Zumaya's wild pitch, Miles to second. Eckstein doubled to center, Miles scored. Taguchi fouled out to first baseman Casey.

Second base was taken by Miles on the wild pitch. On a pass ball third strike with only one out, the ball is still in play. So that's why Miles could advance to second.

 

[IJ Reilly]

J Zumaya relieved F Rodney.
Y Molina walked.
A Miles grounded into fielder's choice to third, Y Molina out at second.
J Encarnacion struck out swinging, A Miles to second on wild pitch by J Zumaya.
D Eckstein doubled to center, A Miles scored.
S Taguchi fouled out to first.

So it was a strike out take 2nd on the wild pitch.

Right. I think the part that confuses the issue is first base being occupied. First base was occupied when the out was recorded at home plate, because Miles had not yet advanced to second.

I've never heard a satisfactory explanation for why the rules allow the batter to attempt first base on a dropped or passed called strike three. Probably everybody remembers the Angels getting burned on that play last year.

 

[xsedrinam]

So as I read it, 34 out of 39 teams who've had a 3-1 lead in the World Series went on to win it. Guess which team was the last to blow a 3-1 lead and lose the Series 4-3? Check out the '85 Series. [Favorite Yogi Quote] here [/Favorite Yogi Quote]

 

[CommonMan]

Go Cards

I'm origianally from Saint Louis so I'm very excited. I've been asking some technical questions on this forum and received some quick and comprehensive answers. I'm wondering...who are these people out there that are so helpful. Do they actually work for Apple? Do they just like being useful and realize the importance of serving others?

 

[Warbrain]

I'm origianally from Saint Louis so I'm very excited. I've been asking some technical questions on this forum and received some quick and comprehensive answers. I'm wondering...who are these people out there that are so helpful. Do they actually work for Apple? Do they just like being useful and realize the importance of serving others?

The vast majority of us don't work for Apple. I'm almost sure that it's close to 90 percent, if not more. Apply typically doesn't want their employees on these sites. We just know what the hell we're talking about and we're more than willing to help other people get through their problems with their computer.