Unless you were using your phone for 9 straight hours, that's an error in the calculation (but a common one). Standby time includes usage time, it isn't in addition to.
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honestly i just got my iphone 4s like 2 days ago after going through many iphone 4 and iphone 4s " i didnt mind which one to get since they are the same to me "
i was looking for one with perfect screen. no dead pixels. no screen leak. blueish and not yellow screen and i finally was able to find one but it was on iphone 4s so i was like hell yeah and i bought one. regarding the battery.
mine is 4 hours usage with 21 hours standby since the last full charge. on 5.0 not 5.0.1
not sure of this is normal or not. but the battery level is 35%. brightness is 40%. bT is off but wireless on most of the time during the "usage" made around 15 short calls " incoming / outgoing "
wonder if its normal battery.
i was looking for one with perfect screen. no dead pixels. no screen leak. blueish and not yellow screen and i finally was able to find one but it was on iphone 4s so i was like hell yeah and i bought one. regarding the battery.
mine is 4 hours usage with 21 hours standby since the last full charge. on 5.0 not 5.0.1
not sure of this is normal or not. but the battery level is 35%. brightness is 40%. bT is off but wireless on most of the time during the "usage" made around 15 short calls " incoming / outgoing "
wonder if its normal battery.
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Average- above average
luigi408 said:Here is my battery life after the update. Not sure if its good or bad. Lasted me all day.
Everything on most of the time [Wifi (always), Bluetooth(85%)]
Do not make many calls and most of the time I used wifi.
Also played a lot of games today.
Average- above average
It's better than average
anything close to 7 hours usage has to be considered pretty good.
if you get 6 hours to 7 usage and 1 day in standby thats very good battery stats IMO.
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Yeah thats fine.
I was at 4 hours usage at around 38% and ended up with 6 hours, 45 minutes usage to go along with 1 day, 2 hours standby..so thats is very good.
Hope you're being sarcastic... Your usage is obviously a result of bugs making it go up in standby, unless you actually used it for 9 hours straight without ever turning it off...
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I'm going to try signing out of the store and see if that helps. Just dropped 6% in 30 mins. Mostly iMessage and standby. Either way, I've got genius booked for Friday.
I'm going to try signing out of the store and see if that helps. Just dropped 6% in 30 mins. Mostly iMessage and standby. Either way, I've got genius booked for Friday.
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Thank you for all the time spent trying to find out the source of the issues to all of you. To the guys talking about stoned sockets: this could very well be a problem, but It seems strange if this is the only problem.
I am on my second 4s after sending my first one back because I could not get more than 2hrs usage and 18hrs standby out of it nomatter what I did with 5.0 or 5.0.1
I have now done the following with my new phone:
Booted it, set up as new phone.
Installed 5.0.1 OTA
Drained it completely (took about 5hrs from 70% with light use)
Charged it in one go for 15hrs straight.
Never left the livingroom so never left wifi range, cell reception 100%.
when I was charging it took a couple of hrs to reach 100%. then after aprox 3hrs in the charger it started dropping slowly, so after about 3 1/2 hrs in the charger after 100% it was down to 94%.
At this point I went to sleep and when I woke up it was back at 100%.
I initially thought this would mean this phone would be better since maybe the battery was utilized as it should after a long time in the socket after it thought it was at 100%.
But after about 1 1/2 hrs of light use now it is down 13%. Which is actually worse than last night. Still the phone has not left perfect cell and wifi reception.
I find it hard to understand how a recalibration of te battery made things worse and how stoned sockets can be the culprit when reception is immaculate. Any ideas?
Maybe this overcharging and percentagedropping after 3hrs+ at 100% is a problem? Maybe this screws up the calibrating and makes parts of the battery unused?
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Just writing this post cost me 3% of battery on wifi
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Writing the edit cost me 1%... you get the idea. I am signed out of store, no push notifications on and bluetooth/siri off.
Thank you for all the time spent trying to find out the source of the issues to all of you. To the guys talking about stoned sockets: this could very well be a problem, but It seems strange if this is the only problem.
I am on my second 4s after sending my first one back because I could not get more than 2hrs usage and 18hrs standby out of it nomatter what I did with 5.0 or 5.0.1
I have now done the following with my new phone:
Booted it, set up as new phone.
Installed 5.0.1 OTA
Drained it completely (took about 5hrs from 70% with light use)
Charged it in one go for 15hrs straight.
Never left the livingroom so never left wifi range, cell reception 100%.
when I was charging it took a couple of hrs to reach 100%. then after aprox 3hrs in the charger it started dropping slowly, so after about 3 1/2 hrs in the charger after 100% it was down to 94%.
At this point I went to sleep and when I woke up it was back at 100%.
I initially thought this would mean this phone would be better since maybe the battery was utilized as it should after a long time in the socket after it thought it was at 100%.
But after about 1 1/2 hrs of light use now it is down 13%. Which is actually worse than last night. Still the phone has not left perfect cell and wifi reception.
I find it hard to understand how a recalibration of te battery made things worse and how stoned sockets can be the culprit when reception is immaculate. Any ideas?
Maybe this overcharging and percentagedropping after 3hrs+ at 100% is a problem? Maybe this screws up the calibrating and makes parts of the battery unused?
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Just writing this post cost me 3% of battery on wifi
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Writing the edit cost me 1%... you get the idea. I am signed out of store, no push notifications on and bluetooth/siri off.
Has this been happening on 3G or wifi? my battery has drained about 20% since 6am...so thats about 5 a half hours. I've sent a few texts and got about 10 e-mails. Problem is there is no 3G where I am at work so it searching for a connection seems to be the issue?
2 hours, 47 minutes usage
13 hours, 9 minutes standby
64%
Yep no service at work, and I lose 50% + in 12 hours with no use at all. A low or no signal does this to almost every phone I have owned, even going back to the old mono Nokias 5+ years ago.
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Same I just click 'airplane Mode' turns radio off
daviddth said:
Same I just click 'airplane Mode' turns radio off
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I think for best testing at least start the phone at 100%
Fesan said:
I think for best testing at least start the phone at 100%
Guess I'm going to just have to accept this will be an issue at work. How does airplane mode work? Does that stop it seaching for a network then?
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Completey turns off signal. No searching no calls texts or anything. When u turn it back on I'll gett all ur notifications in Bout a minute
The Game 161 said:
Completey turns off signal. No searching no calls texts or anything. When u turn it back on I'll gett all ur notifications in Bout a minute
No push means nothing, you still get push connections for some reason.
I do the following, it fixed my 3GS battery issues.
Bold ones are of particular concern -
Turn off any push
Mail set to manual, scroll down in the "Fetch new data" to "Advanced" and make sure that is set manual
Go to About>Diagnostics and turn off
Open "Notes", "Calendar" and "Contacts" leave each one open for 10 seconds and see if you get a spinning loader (can be a stuck sync in some cases) then close them all.
Open the mail app once to sync mail, then close it
Open the phone app once, then close it
Sign out of "Store"
Turn off Automatic time setting in the Clock section
Go to Locations>Scroll down to "System Services", toggle on "Status Bar Icon" and see if any thing is stuck on... I turned off "Diagnostics and Usage", "Location-Based iAds" and "Traffic" since these kept turning on randomly, and once "Traffic" was stuck on for a long time.
Turn on Restrictions and restrict "Ping"
Easiest way is to get the paid version of NetStat, and see what your phone is up to... it should be clear, with the exception of a blue "listening" connection
My biggest annoyance with iOS5 is how I sometimes get signed into "Store" without even putting in my password, and keep getting annoying pop-ups about "Sign in for automatic downloads"... really starting to irritate me.
Also, you can see if you're "partially" signed in, by going to "Store", hit sign in, then go to "Create new Apple account", then press "Cancel" when it loads... occasionally it will freeze, crash you to the springboard, and when you return to "Store" you will be magically signed in... VERY weird
I wish I had an iPhone 4S, I can almost guarantee I could make the battery last 6-7 hours with real usage
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I did do that, as I stated when I got it I first drained it completely (as I have been told is the best way from several other posters) then charged it for aprox 15hrs.
The results from that is what I've posted above. The comment about how long it took to drain after first boot was just to give an indication of the battery status pre-calibration.
No push means nothing, you still get push connections for some reason.
I do the following, it fixed my 3GS battery issues.
Bold ones are of particular concern -
Turn off any push
Mail set to manual, scroll down in the "Fetch new data" to "Advanced" and make sure that is set manual
Go to About>Diagnostics and turn off
Open "Notes", "Calendar" and "Contacts" leave each one open for 10 seconds and see if you get a spinning loader (can be a stuck sync in some cases) then close them all.
Open the mail app once to sync mail, then close it
Open the phone app once, then close it
Sign out of "Store"
Turn off Automatic time setting in the Clock section
Go to Locations>Scroll down to "System Services", toggle on "Status Bar Icon" and see if any thing is stuck on... I turned off "Diagnostics and Usage", "Location-Based iAds" and "Traffic" since these kept turning on randomly, and once "Traffic" was stuck on for a long time.
Turn on Restrictions and restrict "Ping"
Easiest way is to get the paid version of NetStat, and see what your phone is up to... it should be clear, with the exception of a blue "listening" connection
My biggest annoyance with iOS5 is how I sometimes get signed into "Store" without even putting in my password, and keep getting annoying pop-ups about "Sign in for automatic downloads"... really starting to irritate me.
Also, you can see if you're "partially" signed in, by going to "Store", hit sign in, then go to "Create new Apple account", then press "Cancel" when it loads... occasionally it will freeze, crash you to the springboard, and when you return to "Store" you will be magically signed in... VERY weird
I wish I had an iPhone 4S, I can almost guarantee I could make the battery last 6-7 hours with real usage
Thanks for the tips
I allready had location services turned off for the specified services even though only one have shown as "on" all the time (time zone setting). As I said I was also signed out, and checked if I could create new ID and it did not crash so I am not fake-signed in I think.Since I set this phone up as a new iPhone I had no notes to sync so nothing happened there, contacts did not do anything either but calendar synced for a sec or two. Neither should however be a problem as I have not made any changes to my calendar, notes or contacts since getting the phone yesterday.
I have now done all the things you listed above and will report back if I see any difference. Just before reading your post I had it in standby for about 30mins and lost 3% so will leave it for another 30 after implementing your reccomendations (and rebooting to remove any possible lingering sockets) and see if it helps.
*edit* is there any way to report this to apple so we can help bring attention to this problem?
I have full 3G here, but that was all on wifi which is supposed to be better on battery no?
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Not if your not using it much
Ori said:
Not if your not using it much
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You'll hardly drop
Fesan said:
You'll hardly drop
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I was able to clear all active connections in netstat. The one remaining connection that wouldnt go away was bz.apple.com.push. It was iMessage. After I turned I off, along with every other push enabled app, no more draining connections. I don't Think the software is buggy, I think the battery capacity should have been more.
I was able to clear all active connections in netstat. The one remaining connection that wouldnt go away was bz.apple.com.push. It was iMessage. After I turned I off, along with every other push enabled app, no more draining connections. I don't Think the software is buggy, I think the battery capacity should have been more.
I've made a few tricks so my NetStat is totally clear, but it requires having all push turned off, but it still let's my 3GS have 6-7 hours real usage and 3+ days standby on top of that
The major culprit is being signed into the "Store" section in settings, this seems to keep 1 push connection open, even with all push off... and you get signed in every time you sync with iTunes, also in iOS5 it can bug out and not show you're signed in, when you are... clicking on sign in, and "new account", and then pressing cancel will occasionally crash you back to home screen, and when you go back into "Store" you're signed in for some reason... really bizarre
Go to Settings>Store and SIGN OUT, bye bye random unwanted push connection
As Ashin mentioned the push.apple.com port 5223 is a generic apple service destination, known for a very long time, however it's slightly more difficult to get rid of that connection in IOS5 as it seems to be used by more apps than just genuine push services. As far as I can tell it is used, at least partially, by crash & debug reports, possibly imessage, maybe parts of Face Time, most definitely involved in ping pong for Find My Phone service. In other words, it is highly unlikely that any of us on IOS5 will be able to kill it off completely, at least not while claiming the phone is still a "smartphone".
But then, in my opinion, the issue is not the fact that connection is there, but the fact that one of more services using it at some point go stoned and the connection turns into semi zombie, where the phone is desperately trying to communicate for long minutes but either doesn't understand what's coming back or the server benches it for spamming and stops responding (both scenarios pure speculation). This socket is supposed to refresh every few seconds, but instead it just goes into "E.T phone home" mode for hours no end, additionally encouraging the http/https spamming polling connections to add to the drain.
As Ashin said, the issue of push.apple.com connection not going to sleep and draining battery is not new, it's been there at least since 4.2, maybe even earlier. However, I think this time around, in IOS5 we are dealing with a bit more sinister version of the same problem. For starters, last night I disabled everything that could be possibly using it, no icloud, including find my phone, log out of the store, disable imessage, no push, no face time, no usage and statistics submission, disabled notifications just in case and location services, disabled Siri, and the connection to push.apple comes back - after a while is still there and very much active. In fact, if anything, it almost looked like the connection got more aggressive the moment I severed connection with the store, it started submitting data for good 5-7 minutes. It will take better hacker than me to figure out what exactly it is submitting when everything is switched off, for all I see the data itself on that port is mostly SSL wrapped. The oddity to me is, that (and once again, my own speculation and nothing but speculation) it's almost as if there was some sort of hidden mechanism that constantly calls mothership, also about stuff installed on the phone. And it's put together with all the rest of the services, on the same round robin connection, almost as if so you can't disable it - as in - you either loose all "smart" features on your phone or you will have to let it do what it needs to do.
It would probably take switching daemon after daemon to figure out which part of the OS is doing it. My beef is still, not with what it does and reports (although, let's be honest, someone should start looking at this stuff, there is just way too much data polling going on in the background as is) but with the fact it is too aggressive and prone to crashing.
Additionally, some applications in IOS5 never close. As an example - even if you close Mail from double tapping home button, it remains open in process list most of the time. Fresh reboot will usually see that process gone from the list.
Ori said:
In addition to the great post by Ashin, I can add the stack reset to avoid push.apple.com connection from getting "stoned". I used to reboot the phone few times a day, since then I found easier method which works 90% unless one of the daemons is half crashed (in which case you will see high CPU usage), enable Wifi and then immediately disable mobile data. push.apple connection will have no choice but to crash and jump, keep it on wifi for minutes, so it can submit whatever it needed to rattle to mothership about, then switch data back on and disable wifi - et voila - fresh instance of push.apple.com is created. Wake up the phone every now and then to see if your Usage counter starts rising rapidly without any reason, if it does - "rinse and repeat" the above. If high CPU usage is also present, disable mobile data, enable wifi, reboot, give it few minutes on wifi, disable wifi, enable mobile data.
In a way, I don't see why phone wouldn't do this manually - why wouldn't it disable mobile data after establishing wifi connection. This is really daft and can lead to a lot of data usage problems on its own. Anyone can think of a reason it isn't done on OS level?
why you dont show how much storage you used total ?
song ?
video ?
photo ?
brightness 40 % change to 80 %
i bet you not gotta get 9 hour if include above setting