I 'thought' I had batterygate - but I'm the same as the OP - lose 1-2% every 6 minutes or so which I guess is okay right?
Here are my stats from today so far...
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I 'thought' I had batterygate - but I'm the same as the OP - lose 1-2% every 6 minutes or so which I guess is okay right?
Here are my stats from today so far...
Keep in mind that in a 4-6 minute interval I am only using the 3G for 20% of that time. The rest of the time I am actually reading the page downloaded. So really I am losing 1% of charge per minute or so of 3G usage. The loss os very sporadic. get this
Lost 1% in 1 minute
Lost next 1% in 4 minutes
Lost next 1% in 3 minutes
Lost next 1% in 4 minutes
Lost next 1% in 2 minutes
I also added my idle time numbers.. 1% per 12 minutes on a factory default phone. Wow suckage! I will say that this is not consistent though I am going to have a fun time reproducing this at the GeniAss bar later today.
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Exactly right! 4min per 1% is 4 x100= 400 minutes or 6.7 hours of usage.,
AND 1% per 12min is 100 x 12min =1200 minutes or 20 hours! 6 hours / 20 hours is normal for any smartphone.
You made a mistake in your math.
AND if you are only 3g'ing 20% of the time...and reading the rest, well everyone knows that the screen on is the biggest battery hog nearly. So no free rides...same on every iPhone, and every Android.
You are doing on spec with the numbers you provided. 200 hours is a standby time, is a special measurement, that no one every gets.
To answer your question, if your phone was not up to par, Apple will give you another...but with your numbers, everything looks fine. If you don't like it, go back to your BB i guess.
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Normal my ass. Besides 20 hours Idle time is not what Apple is quoting in their spec sheet https://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html. They quote 200 hours.
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Yes it is. It says UP TO. Comprehension must have been a problem area for you.
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Wow you guys never let up. When Apple quotes a time, its WITH the using the damn phone. Not 3G in a vacuum. So if I were to keep the screen on, and download a large file over 3G for 6hrs, I would expect my battery to die at the 4-6hr mark. Anything less than 4hrs and I thikn Apple is screwing with us.
Isn't that what define as web browsing? I am sure the 6hr rated 3G web browsing rating does not mean 3G continuous download for 6hrs. The screen is a big factor in battery life too. Even video playback only gives 10hrs life.
I think you are paying attention too much to % drop. The decline in percentage is not linear as you may think. It can drop 100% to 93% fast, but drop much slower from 5% to 1%. Some users can use their iPhone for 10+ minutes at 1%. Which basically means the battery is not calibrated yet. This probably the reason why battery meter percentage is not enabled by default. Because it is not entirely accurate and people will pay too much attention to inaccurate information.
Instead of looking at your 1% drop every 2-4minutes. Look at the total usage time from 100% to dead battery.
That is not what you call "Web browsing" anymore. It becomes classified as downloading or streaming which is totally different. The 6hr quoted spec is for web browsing. They never mention downloading or streaming. 3G is battery intensive. Heck, even talking voice only gets you 8hrs.
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Thunking (descriptive name, btw), 6hr/20hr is 6hr of usage of 20hours of standby with that 6 hr period.
There are some battery issues related to software, that are being fixed by Apple. I posted a solution that works too. But from your numbers, they look normal, that is all that I'm saying. Really bad numbers are 4 hours over 10 hours of usage (dead battery). Those people have a legit complaint.
You clearly hate apple products, and are not willing to accept help here, but just vent.
Why not take the phone back, get a different phone, and take a pill.
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As I mentioned earlier. I am now on phone #3, as it would drain similar to someone above where it would drain 1% for every minute or two of web browsing, even if nothing was loading. Location was hanging often when nothing else was running, and it would constantly pull data off wifi if it was connected. Now things are looking much better, I am not going to look at usage times any more, and did not turn the battery percent on.
Its working much better, and not obsessing over usage times and percent helps tremendously. Give it a shot and I bet most people wil forget about it.
Its working much better, and not obsessing over usage times and percent helps tremendously. Give it a shot and I bet most people wil forget about it.
Just got back from the GeniAss bar. As expected they said "we need more information", "prove to me we released a sucky phone" (I paraphrased. Those red monkeys were a lot more civilised than that). So they have instructed me to try out viewfly's instructions.. drain to 0%, recharge to 100% and then monitor. I will try that just for chuckles 
In all honesty it doesn't really matter, I can't have a business phone that doesn't last a business day (about 10 hours) without needing a charge. An "upto 6hr with 3G under best conditions" phone just doesn't qualify as a business phone. If the phone is going to die just by downloading MS-Exchange email throughout the day, its useless in that environment.
So yes, I am going to go back to either Blackberry (yuck!) or a better option might be Windows Phone. I just dont feel like spending an additional $100 on a mophie additional battery on top of an already overpriced phone.
In all honesty it doesn't really matter, I can't have a business phone that doesn't last a business day (about 10 hours) without needing a charge. An "upto 6hr with 3G under best conditions" phone just doesn't qualify as a business phone. If the phone is going to die just by downloading MS-Exchange email throughout the day, its useless in that environment.
So yes, I am going to go back to either Blackberry (yuck!) or a better option might be Windows Phone. I just dont feel like spending an additional $100 on a mophie additional battery on top of an already overpriced phone.
I don't think they mean being connected to a 3G network nets you 6hrs.. Utilizing that 3G connection for 6hrs is what they meant.
I've seen plenty of people suggesting that exchange accounts are one of the software problems and will kill your battery if they're pushing you stuff. Especially calendar stuff. You could try having it fetch every hour and see if that helps?
I was paranoid about my battery at first, but it seems to have gotten pretty good the past few weeks. I'm afraid to update from 5.0 though. We'll see what happens when 5.1 I released..
The iPhone is something that everyone who has one wants to love it. Unfortunately, with the latest release, there's some hiccups and some people are having real problems. Others are just trying to convince themselves they have a problem. I don't like to judge who's in which category, but honestly the iPhone theoretically has pretty much the best battery life of any smartphone on the market right now (aside from those people with problems). Hoping they reach a solution to these battery issues soon!
I've seen plenty of people suggesting that exchange accounts are one of the software problems and will kill your battery if they're pushing you stuff. Especially calendar stuff. You could try having it fetch every hour and see if that helps?
I was paranoid about my battery at first, but it seems to have gotten pretty good the past few weeks. I'm afraid to update from 5.0 though. We'll see what happens when 5.1 I released..
The iPhone is something that everyone who has one wants to love it. Unfortunately, with the latest release, there's some hiccups and some people are having real problems. Others are just trying to convince themselves they have a problem. I don't like to judge who's in which category, but honestly the iPhone theoretically has pretty much the best battery life of any smartphone on the market right now (aside from those people with problems). Hoping they reach a solution to these battery issues soon!
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If people pulling email from MS Exchange are going to have battery issues with the IPhone 4S, then Apple better fix this quick else there are going to be a lot of unhappy enterprise customers like me.
Its debatable whether you can call a Blackberry Bold a "smart"phone
, but its battery certainly lasts A LOT longer than the IPhone 4S. I have spoken to 4 Apple employees today regarding this problem, and none of them have mentioned that they are even working on a fix for this issue (the issue for me being that in some cases I loose 1% of charge every 2-3 minutes). So.. "Should I stay or should I go" Looking at how quite Apple is about this issue (and other 4S issues), my guess is Apple is counting on this attitude to catch on....
"Let the rain wash way the tears"
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Get out when you have a chance...Once you are invested in Apple's ecosystem, it becomes that much more difficult to get out.....So.. "Should I stay or should I go"
Just got back from the GeniAss bar. So they have instructed me to try out viewfly's instructions.. drain to 0%, recharge to 100% and then monitor. I will try that just for chuckles
If that is all you do, you will not see an improvement...you have to follow steps 1-4 first...
That does improve the usage time (up to 7 hours), but more importantly the ratio of usage time to standby time improves greatly...if that has been the problem.
In the end, if your phone cannot make it through the day, as the way you use it, AND it seems to be within the specifications of the phone...you don't have much choice but to go to a non smartphone, like a BB. Unless you can throw it on the charger during the day while you are idle. No other smartphone is going to change that.
If you don't need or want the other features of a smartphone, that a BB does not offer, what was the point of buying one in the first place?
Good luck
Thanks. They had already done 1 through 4 earlier today with the exception of turning off location services. To me that is one piece I cannot accept. Or are you suggesting turning it off just for the duration of the charge-down and charge-up and then turning it back on afterwards ? Its not clear from your steps.
I do not know of any smartphone on the market right now that gives 10hrs 3G Web browsing time without extra battery pack. Good luck finding another phone.
Good that you are going back to blackberry. Save us and apple's time. Maybe smartphones doesn't fit your needs and a feature phone would suit better.
Apple is working to fix it with patches still in beta as reported. Geniusbar is probably instructed not to say much about it until a definite patch is out. I have exchange and I get 5hrs Usage and 27hrs standby. I make it through the day without charging. Surf web, play some games and check emails with push enabled.
There are issues with exchange. Not everyone experience them though. Some more than others.
Some of the issues are:
-Exchange calendar invites get stuck in infinite loop until you accept in notification center
-Location/GPS such as time zone being checked too often
-Corrupted contacts
-Restoring from previous backups
-iCloud
Its debatable whether you can call a Blackberry Bold a "smart"phone
Previously you said 4-6min, then 2-3min for a 1% drop. Either your measurements are off or just guesstimating. You're paying too much attention to a % number that isn't really accurate. The best way to get an idea of your battery life is just to use it normally how you like it until it dies. Look at your Usage/Standby time. Most people without issues are getting 5-6hrs usage and 24hrs+ standby.
Actually, most people when they first get their iPhone wouldn't know what normal daily use really is. Why? Because their new so naturally they would toy with it more not realizing it.
In step three only time zone and iAds location services is turned off, not maps location service or general GPS.
Yeserday morning I opened my new 4S, said YES to everything during setup (LS,Notifications,iCloud, etc), downloaded all my old apps, played for an hour or so, then went to work. Noticed at work that in standby I was losing 3-4% per hour. This is my first iPhone but I thought there is no way that's normal. The one thing to note is that I didn't pay much attention to how much charge was there from the factory. I did have it plugged into the computer for 30 minutes or so to sync music and photos.
After some reading here and elsewhere I did a reset/OS re-install of 5.0.1 via iTunes (did not restore from a backup). I did everything the same during setup except I didn't have it download all my purchased apps, as I was supicious of the Facebook app after reading elsewhere. I also went into the Location Services menu and turned off most of the things in the advanced list (iAds, Time Zone, Traffic, Diagnostics, etc). Charged it up to 98%, unlpugged, and then let it sit overnight. (Everything still on, connected to my WiFi network). In the AM it was sitting at 95%. Excellent!
Currently I am at 80% with ~1 hour of usage and ~14 hours 15 min of standby. At work it seems to be losing ~1% per hour in standby now - a massive improvement. I think this might be due to poor 3G reception and the fact that there are wirless networks in the building that I'm not joining. Anyways, I'm going to use it without any additional apps over the next few days and see how long it takes me to get to 1%. I'll post back once I've run it all the way down. Next I suppose I'll try the FB app again and see if it's really the culprit for me.
Ultimately even if I had to charge every 24 hours it would not be the end of the world, but coming from the iPad and an old flip phone I charged once a week (different animal2, I know), I had really high expectations as far as battery life goes.
After some reading here and elsewhere I did a reset/OS re-install of 5.0.1 via iTunes (did not restore from a backup). I did everything the same during setup except I didn't have it download all my purchased apps, as I was supicious of the Facebook app after reading elsewhere. I also went into the Location Services menu and turned off most of the things in the advanced list (iAds, Time Zone, Traffic, Diagnostics, etc). Charged it up to 98%, unlpugged, and then let it sit overnight. (Everything still on, connected to my WiFi network). In the AM it was sitting at 95%. Excellent!
Currently I am at 80% with ~1 hour of usage and ~14 hours 15 min of standby. At work it seems to be losing ~1% per hour in standby now - a massive improvement. I think this might be due to poor 3G reception and the fact that there are wirless networks in the building that I'm not joining. Anyways, I'm going to use it without any additional apps over the next few days and see how long it takes me to get to 1%. I'll post back once I've run it all the way down. Next I suppose I'll try the FB app again and see if it's really the culprit for me.
Ultimately even if I had to charge every 24 hours it would not be the end of the world, but coming from the iPad and an old flip phone I charged once a week (different animal2, I know), I had really high expectations as far as battery life goes.
I had the iPhone 4 for 18 months and to be honest I thought if I got a days use out of it, browsing odd webpage on 3G, loads of wifi time, videos, apps and camera I thought that's great - charged it everynight, came home from work say around 7 and still had 40% to play with. I'm experiencing EXACTLY the same with the iPhone 4s with 5.01 (my phone came with the latest update)
Uber-paranoid I met with the genius guys and asked what was normal - they did a check on battery which was healthy and said if I get around 6-7 hours usage on a full charge (which I'm getting) then it's cool. I guess I'm unaffected, but batterygate took wings and made me think I had a problem -although I sympathise with those who do.
Uber-paranoid I met with the genius guys and asked what was normal - they did a check on battery which was healthy and said if I get around 6-7 hours usage on a full charge (which I'm getting) then it's cool. I guess I'm unaffected, but batterygate took wings and made me think I had a problem -although I sympathise with those who do.
By chance did you try not installing any of your apps after the restore and seeing what the battery life is like? Obviously it's not an acceptable long-term solution but it might at least help you determine if a particular app could be causing the drain.
Anyways I agree, that kind of battery life is terrible.
That is bad if you were on WiFi the whole time. However that's the kind of usage I get on 3G with a really bad signal (1-2 bars).
After messing aroung with this for 3 days trying to get the battery to survive a full work day with just MS-Exchange hooked up and No additional Apps and not getting a straight answer from countless Apple folks on what is the expected battery life with "normal" usage, I returned the phone and got a Windows Phone HTC Trophy from Verizon instead and I love it. To think that this phone is over a year outdated and yet it is so much more fluid, much better integration with Facebook and XBOX Live, way better support for MS Powerpoint PPts (with the IPHone my ppts would show up with graphs/charts missing), loving the Zune integration as well as the hookup to SkyDrive. The phone looks so much more ALIVE than the dead/static home page of my former IPhone. See http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...Detail&selectedPhoneId=5635#ReadReviewsAnchor for reviews on HTC Trophy.
Its just been a day of using this but I see myself charging this once every two days at most. And to think I almost spent ANOTHER $100 to get an extended battery pack from Mophie to support an already over-priced phone. Apple products are just a drain on your pocket book.
I can safely say that if your company is a Windows shop and your employees are mostly windows uses, then the IPhone is not for you. Look to get a Windows Phone instead. It does a lot more than the IPhone with one less CPU core too!!
Thanks for everyone's help though. Apple technical support was great though! But there is only so much they can do with a dead donkey.
Its just been a day of using this but I see myself charging this once every two days at most. And to think I almost spent ANOTHER $100 to get an extended battery pack from Mophie to support an already over-priced phone. Apple products are just a drain on your pocket book.
I can safely say that if your company is a Windows shop and your employees are mostly windows uses, then the IPhone is not for you. Look to get a Windows Phone instead. It does a lot more than the IPhone with one less CPU core too!!
Thanks for everyone's help though. Apple technical support was great though! But there is only so much they can do with a dead donkey.
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