And I'm saying you are a hypocrite for saying Apple is not arrogant when they pull the same tactics you are accusing Verizon of.
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And I'm saying you are a hypocrite for saying Apple is not arrogant when they pull the same tactics you are accusing Verizon of.
You were discussing tactics. He was discussing Apple and Verizon period. It's useless for him to try and discuss this with you.
No im not. When has apple had marketing that said anything negative about Verizon?
So we turn a blind eye to when they do it to others?
I killed a man, but I never killed you, so Im a pretty good guy.
Can you not get this through your head?
Apple does the same thing that Verizon and probably 75% of other companies out there do - part of their marketing campaign involves knocking down the competition.
You say Verizon said bad things about Apple. Mike said Apple said bad things about PC's. It's the same concept - just targeting different demographics.
This dicussion was not about PC's though. He brought that into the argument. What i'm saying is that Apple has never attacked verizon but yet you guys seem to ignore that fact as a defense. So get that thru your head okay?
Agree. These "my dad can beat up your dad" type of threads crack me up. It's just a damn phone. Everyone should buy the phone that works best for them, whatever that may be. Most people I know do not define themselves by the phone they have. And those that do should have their head examined.
I agree with that. I could careless what phone someone uses. If they want to use Android or WebOS Blackberry,etc more power to them. I have no right to make someone justify why they purchased something and in return i expect the same.
WTF is happening to MacRumors??? 
I hate posting a reply that has nothing to do with the thread, but this is getting out of hand.
Remember people, in the inimitable words of Ian MacKaye, "You are not what you own."
Please play nice with each other. We're talking about phones here, not politics, taxes, or anything that actually matters. Passionate spirited conversation is great, but no need to go for the jugular.
I hate posting a reply that has nothing to do with the thread, but this is getting out of hand.
Remember people, in the inimitable words of Ian MacKaye, "You are not what you own."
Please play nice with each other. We're talking about phones here, not politics, taxes, or anything that actually matters. Passionate spirited conversation is great, but no need to go for the jugular.
HEY WTF. We are talking about the future of how we consume media in the decades to come. Its ok to be passionate, even if it tussles some feathers. Name calling aside, its good to have heated discussion.
The actions that Apple/Google/Microsoft take will decide how we will interact with technology in the years to come. I've never been as excited about tech industry in a long time.
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The Apple ads with the "Can your network do that?" tagline were seen as being targeted at Verizon.
Of course, they were a response to Verizon's "iDon't" ads about a month earlier.
Even with all the android phones on verizon didn't they still have a net loss of 250 million along with sprint who had like a 700 million net loss? It seems AT&T was the only one to stay in the black.
That was due to some accounting changes, and mediocre performance on their wireline side. Their wireless division did great and added about as many new customers as AT&T added.
Sprint, thanks in no small part to the EVO, had their first positive growth last quarter since they purchased Nextel.
Carriers love Android phones.
No, that's the landline side, which took a short term hit because of paying 11,000 workers a severance package.
Even with that drag, Verizon overall actually beat earnings estimates. Verizon Wireless gained more new cell customers than ATT, even against the iPhone 4.
With both ATT and Verizon, we always have to be sure which division we're talking about. Landline customers are steadily disappearing due to people moving to reliance on cell phones alone... which is partly why the wireless divisions are doing great.
Not quite. Verizon threw that free Android phones thing and that costed them a pretty penny. All that to lure customers away from the iPhone.
Verizon has no chance to grow with the iPhone looming.
Android is the alternative to the iPhone. I don't see that changing in the near future. Either way, the market is huge. Apple doesn't have to hold much market share to be very profitable. Same for iOS developers. It's a proven model. Android on the other hand, who knows how, when, or if it will achieve such status.
Basically things are barreling towards an iOS and Android world, and that's not a bad thing.
Basically things are barreling towards an iOS and Android world, and that's not a bad thing.
I think for the next five years it'll be an iOS, Android, RIM world. WM7 will not appeal to the business world and I doubt it'll even really take off with consumers. RIM will have enough business customers to keep it alive and well for the next five years though it will lose market share. iOS and Android will continue to see massive amounts of growth.
And as a soon to be switcher to Verizon as soon as I can get a Droid X, their response to that is a resounding, yes, you can surf the web while talking on the phone providing you're in a wifi hotspot. According to them they are a plenty. According to me and my real life uses they're full of ****.
I don't like VZW but Apple needs to get the iPhone out of this exclusive deal. I've never seen a handset on a 5 year deal. The iPhone will break even more records if they will finish the model that works on all the carriers and put it in play. There won't be but a handful of droid users if the iPhone is available at every carrier.
Verizon gained 665,000 new customers in the last quarter.
AT&T, even with sales from the first few days of the iPhone 4 launch, added 496,000.
Personally, I love it. Verizon offers BOGOs ( = half price sale) and ATT gives early upgrades (~ same thing). Win-win for us customers.
Agreed. Just as Apple and ATT were full of it when they came out with the EDGE-only first iPhone (and still keep some features WiFi-only today), by claiming that WiFi is everywhere. Certainly free WiFi isn't everywhere.
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AT&T is touting the fact that they'll be a premier WP7 partner. Rumors say they're committing to selling millions of WP7 phones.
Sounds like AT&T is going to be pushing WP7 as a competitor against both Android and the iPhone. This is going to be one weird Fall.
Why wouldnt a company who rules the business world not be able to appeal to the business world? You dont think Sharepoint and Exchange integration, tight integration with Office, and a company who understands the business world would be able to succeed in it?
Android unless overhauled will not succeed in it, iPhone needs a lot of work before it will, RIM is on its way down most likely. I see Microsoft's WP7 doing pretty well in it if they make the right moves which they are plenty capable of.
I have both phones. I purchased the Samsung Captivate for my wife, and I think it's a great Android phone. It's our first Android. The only complaint I have is it's hard as hell to sync media from a mac (We both have MBP's) to the phone because of iTunes. Other than that, I like it.