Well you are boned then because OS X is only available in a reliable way on Apple products. So you either accept apples design philosophy and use the OS you love or you don't. That's your choice it's not going to change and neither is apples design philosophy, I've got a fair idea of whose going to win this impasse...
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Well you are boned then because OS X is only available in a reliable way on Apple products. So you either accept apples design philosophy and use the OS you love or you don't. That's your choice it's not going to change and neither is apples design philosophy, I've got a fair idea of whose going to win this impasse...
Well it's not going to be one person who wants the richest tech manufacturer in the world to make a computer just for them!!
In my business we have 35K to 100K machines we bring backups for on site and run them redundant ....just depends on the importance of not being able to accomplish the job when needed.
An interesting datapoint on repairability of the new MBP. The battery is more expensive to replace $199 vs $129 for new MB and MBP vs Air and older MBP (except 17" which is $179).
https://support.apple.com/mac-notebooks/repair/service/pricing
https://support.apple.com/mac-notebooks/repair/service/pricing
I strongly doubt that any future Apple laptops will allow users to open them up and start replacing pieces. It is just not in the company's DNA. My original 1984 Mac has been upgraded by a dealer to get a "programmer switch" (restart button, 10 cent piece of plastic). Apple deliberately made the case difficult to open so users would not mess with things.
My performa had a slew of plastic clips in addition to a bunch of screws. I had to replace the internal speaker one time.
That would require you to also be a skilled sysadmin (there are far more things that go wrong with computers!)
A real pro makes sure he has quick access to one and a backup machine and focuses on his business instead.And a true pro wouldn't complain like this nor would the swappableness of the RAM and drive be his primary worry. No, a true pro wouldn't buy this thing because it doesn't come with a Xeon processor, ECC memory, enterprise SSD (with SLC preferably) and of course an ISV certified GPU. None of these are in the notebooks these so called "pros" here are requesting or buying. The real question is: are they really pro because they sure as hell aren't requesting pro hardware?! </sarcasm>
As stated before, there are many different kinds of professionals with most focusing on their business and not on stuff they have little to no knowledge about. Actual professionals outsource those kind of jobs because it is cheaper (in money and in time). As is custom in businesses they go to an IT company and sign a support/service contract with them. These kind of contracts allow them to be up & running in no time again no matter what the problem is. This is a very different approach than yours. Yours is approaching a very specific issue, professionals approach it differently where the issue doesn't matter only the fact that the machine doesn't work as it should. This is how most IT companies keep alive.
No, I'm saying that you need to have access to a backup machine; doesn't have to be a secondary version of your brand spanking new one.
You are overestimating the knowledge of most users/professionals here not to mention that you are overestimating the amount of time they are willing to spent on these kind of issues. Most professionals would very much like to focus on what they do best and let others do what they do best so they'll outsource these things. You are talking about the enthusiast that have a bit of IT knowledge.
The "bashing", not particularly just from me but also the others, is a reaction as a result of Apple taking away choices. Apple is in a way forcing an established user base who grew into the ecosphere to switch, out of necessity. Limiting the customer's options is as much as limiting the company's reach (as far as the "pro" monika infers...)
To the average user, the 2012 pre-retina unibody MBP at its time was just as sleek in its form as the current gen MBP, but it didn’t keep the machine from having user serviceable SATA drives and SODIMM RAMs. The point here is again, choice (or lack thereof).
On related note, I think all these 2016 batch of SSD that is soldered on board will suffer in longevity as you can never upgrade / fix a broken drive cheaply after the 3rd Apple Care year.
You don't have to explain that to me, I perfectly understand it. The problem here is you not understanding your own point, it is utterly and completely moot. You can keep repeating it until the end of days but that is not going to do anything about the fact that this only applies to a minority and it still requires technical knowledge, skill, tools and willingness to do it. All of those things the average user and professional do NOT have; they turn to us IT professionals. The point here is that your point only applies to less than 10% of the users, the remaining 90% doesn't care or sees it as a negative.
There is little point in joining the discussion if you can't grasp such a simple concept. You may disagree but try to comprehend what someone is saying. Again, I understand your point but you completely fail to understand that I'm saying it is a completely moot point.
There is little point in joining the discussion if you can't grasp such a simple concept. You may disagree but try to comprehend what someone is saying. Again, I understand your point but you completely fail to understand that I'm saying it is a completely moot point.
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Hey Dyn, where did you get all of your accurate stats of 10% vs 90%? Just curious if there's a good source somewhere, or reference.
Also if you are talking to the 10% of users you claim, I think you are missing the point that they don't care they are the 10%, they still want what they want
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That would require you to also be a skilled sysadmin (there are far more things that go wrong with computers!)
And a true pro wouldn't complain like this nor would the swappableness of the RAM and drive be his primary worry. No, a true pro wouldn't buy this thing because it doesn't come with a Xeon processor, ECC memory, enterprise SSD (with SLC preferably) and of course an ISV certified GPU. None of these are in the notebooks these so called "pros" here are requesting or buying. The real question is: are they really pro because they sure as hell aren't requesting pro hardware?! </sarcasm>
As stated before, there are many different kinds of professionals with most focusing on their business and not on stuff they have little to no knowledge about. Actual professionals outsource those kind of jobs because it is cheaper (in money and in time). As is custom in businesses they go to an IT company and sign a support/service contract with them. These kind of contracts allow them to be up & running in no time again no matter what the problem is. This is a very different approach than yours. Yours is approaching a very specific issue, professionals approach it differently where the issue doesn't matter only the fact that the machine doesn't work as it should. This is how most IT companies keep alive.
No, I'm saying that you need to have access to a backup machine; doesn't have to be a secondary version of your brand spanking new one.
You are overestimating the knowledge of most users/professionals here not to mention that you are overestimating the amount of time they are willing to spent on these kind of issues. Most professionals would very much like to focus on what they do best and let others do what they do best so they'll outsource these things. You are talking about the enthusiast that have a bit of IT knowledge.
I'd spend some time replying to all of this, but I feel like you're living in some kind of alternate reality. Nobody I know who uses their Macs to make money behaves the way you insist that they would if they were real pros.
In this case my big fat thumb as it is merely an example.
I'm not missing that, those guys are extremely vocal and also extremely unreasonable about it as can be seen in this topic and the like.Also if you are talking to the 10% of users you claim, I think you are missing the point that they don't care they are the 10%, they still want what they want
That's because you simply didn't understand what I wrote. There is such a thing called a workstation and those are equipped with Xeon proc and ECC memory and they are heavily used by businesses/pros. The reason for that is to reduce errors; they have a very high reliability. This is one of the things an actual pro who has high demands would demand. The point was that nobody here on the forums has done so which is a big hint that one needs to question if they really are who they say and/or think they are....or if they are simply being unrealistic and unreasonable here.
There are many different kinds of pros who don't have any issue with using ordinary consumer hardware such as a Mac for their professional work. The difference here is that they are not complaining about the MBP not being pro or some piece of hardware not being pro and so on. IRL I haven't seen anyone with a Mac behaving the way people do here to be honest and then we are talking people doing different kinds of calculations, modelling and running simulations on something like a MBA.
How many people here have asked whether the GPU in the 15" is ISV certified (something that is required by 3D CAD software like Solidworks)? I haven't seen any pro asking questions like that here.
TL;DR: the following topic title pretty much sums it up: The whining is getting ridiculous now.
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