Attracting attention of legislators IS THE POINT.
If Apple isn't willing to open up the iMessage protocol on their own, they need to be forced to do it, either through the courts or with new legislation.
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If Apple isn't willing to open up the iMessage protocol on their own, they need to be forced to do it, either through the courts or with new legislation.
If Android owner have old iPhone that means if he wants to have iPhone now he can just like he did in the past?
I bet if some some Android user wants iMessage so bad to "fit" with his classmates/work groups he will just use his old iPhone as texting device? Replacing old battery to a new one, updating the old iPhone to it's latest supported iOS and thats all?
No need to buy new carrier plan or new phone number just put the sim from your Android into your old iPhone. Setup iMessage, turn on airplane mode, keep it as wifi only device, and get the sim back to your Android device.
That's what one of my friends just did with his iPhone 8
I bet if some some Android user wants iMessage so bad to "fit" with his classmates/work groups he will just use his old iPhone as texting device? Replacing old battery to a new one, updating the old iPhone to it's latest supported iOS and thats all?
No need to buy new carrier plan or new phone number just put the sim from your Android into your old iPhone. Setup iMessage, turn on airplane mode, keep it as wifi only device, and get the sim back to your Android device.
That's what one of my friends just did with his iPhone 8
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What a shame, it was a glorious 3 days when this worked. These guys are just swirling down the drain fast as most likely their funding runs out as their monetization plans were totally tanked. Hopefully Apple doesn't take it's sweet time in getting RCS to work.
This this this.
I don’t want Beeper Mini to succeed as a product. I want it to succeed in pushing Apple towards iMessage on Android.
Whether or not they’ll succeed in the long run is TBD, but if Android ever gets iMessage, Beeper deserves credit for pushing them to do so.
Beeper Mini isn’t their only product. They’ve been around for a few years. I could actually see myself using and paying for it if it worked with iMessage reliably.
That's the same for anything.
I also gave the example of I started with Windows and 27 years later, I am just now using a Mac.
THere are also many teens (i know quite a few) who have Androids and refuse to use iPhones.
My brother is an avid Xbox fanboy and refuses to use anything Sony or Nintendo related.
If you are going to respond to me and quote me, at least quote the entire message and not pick and choose.
iMessage is NOT a defining factor for me and most IOS users. I actually think I made a poll here on MR asking about this a few months ago and iMessage didn't come up.
It's the ecosystem. Yes, it is a part of the ecosystem but as I said before even if google or someone else offers an indivifual app or feature that is BETTER Google and others fail to compete on the entire ecosystem level and THATS WHY we are apple users. Not because of any one specific feature.
They have with this melodramatic blog post lmfao. The fact that they are trying to be a victim is hilarious
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As much as we want to fight for what we believe is a fantastic product that really should exist, the truth is that we can’t win a cat-and-mouse game with the largest company on earth.
With our latest software release, we believe we’ve created something that Apple can tolerate existing. We do not have any current plans to respond if this solution is knocked offline. "
SERIOUSLY ... What some people will do just to have the blue bubble, who really cares that much? Apparently there are some that will go far enough to be technically illegal (??)
Why are you entitled to iMessage if you are getting RCS.
If you guys keep saying it is not about blue bubbles then WHY. DO.YOU.NEED.IMESSAGE?
Like at this point, this is frustrating. I rather some brave Android fan just admit they want blue bubbles because this denial is ridiculous when YOU ARE GETTING RCS lol meaning if you get RCS you dont need iMessage. Other than for a color.
Also goverments should not be forcing an entire ecosystem to OPEN ITSELF UP because these other ecosystems can't create their own iMessage.
I'd hate to be punished because I am better at something and the 'judges' decide to handicap me because my competition can't be as good as me. How is that my fault
I don't. If your business model relies entirely on "I hope this company neither closes the loopholes in their system that we're using, nor comes out with a competing product", investors in it are about a half-step away from burning money on a stone altar in hopes that Mammon will make it rain gold.
I'm not at all sure how much of a market there even is for something like this given the wide range of other cross-platform chat apps that exist, but no matter how you cut it, basing a business on clever hacks to access someone else's closed and easily-changed protocol is a recipe for failure, even more so when that company also has the ability to instantly reduce your business to zero at will, if they decided that people really did want what you were offering enough to make it worth doing themselves.
putting chat app on android = forcing an entire ecosystem to OPEN ITSELF UP
Thanks for this logic. I get it now!
I have both an iPhone and a Pixel. Most people I know don't use any messaging app other than the default "text" app on their phone, i.e. iMessage or Google's RCS. If I text someone who happens not to be using the same platform as me then the message is sent as SMS. The lack of encryption has already been addressed by earlier posts, but another issue is that SMS is somewhat unreliable. I'm almost always in an area with good wifi, but poor mobile signal is common - both home and work are very bad for mobile reception.
This situtation sucks. It would be nice if there were some sort of encrypted and reliable means of sending text messages to anyone, no matter what phone they happen to have chosen, via whatever default messaging app is installed on their system.
Perhaps it could be via RCS with encryption build into the spec. thanks to Apple's beneficent interventions. Perhaps via iMessage for Android (official or otherwise), or perhaps even something else. I don't really care which.
This situtation sucks. It would be nice if there were some sort of encrypted and reliable means of sending text messages to anyone, no matter what phone they happen to have chosen, via whatever default messaging app is installed on their system.
Perhaps it could be via RCS with encryption build into the spec. thanks to Apple's beneficent interventions. Perhaps via iMessage for Android (official or otherwise), or perhaps even something else. I don't really care which.
The reason I pick and choose is to respond to a direct part of your lengthy post.
And the fact you are here commenting about iMessage as well going through Beeper reddit thread... it seems to contradict the "not a defining factor for me" part. Because if it's not a concerning factor, you wouldn't be so passionate about it.
You’re missing the point, man! You can do that!
You just need to know which alternate chat app each Android user in your life prefers, which pushes you to use other apps that aren’t Messages/iMessage. Easy peasy, problem solved! Confusing why Beeper Mini exists with this obvious solution.
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It’s really silly that people here are treating iMessage/Messages like it’s some divine supreme feature which would go to hell if an Android client were released. iMessage’s greatest feature is its ability to dissuade people like me from even trying Android.
It is a chat app. A chat app. Chat. App. An app for chatting. It isn’t that deep.
That's certainly not true. There are a multitude of apps that you can use to send a full resolution video to your family.
Oh ok so I need to start downloading apps AND have my family also download apps
This is seriously a solution to you instead of Apple prioritizing some modern interoperability? Really?
I'm sorry but why do they need to be "forced" to do it? It's a feature that their developers created and worked on for their devices. what gives other manufacturers, software and devices the right to access it? I hope apple never opens it up just because people feel that they're entitled to it... As a consumer you make the choice to buy an Android phone and that's perfectly fine choice is good, but don't expect to then get the features from the competitors phone which you chose not to buy.
Probably the government saying so since that is how society works and businesses don’t exist above the law of the people?
Yeah they have their original idea which was to integrate multiple chat apps into one app, so they definitely have a path forward, I just don't think it involves iMessage. But we'll see how long this lasts, I just don't think many will be interested in all the work, especially with RCS coming. And this is coming from someone who did all these hacks, self-hosted BlueBubbles, AirMessage, did the whole Beeper Cloud and Beeper Mini thing, and am not afraid to jailbreak an old iPhone, but even I've reached my limit.
… Which puts the burden on users to remember which friend or family member prefers which app, and pushes group chats away from Apple Messages. each group chat is, etc.
Is your suggestion for people to use SMS by default and then switch to a different messenger when you want to send media? Or should they have a multitude of chat apps to communicate with Android users all the time, and ignore SMS?
Either option seems silly and are 100% artificial limitations imposed by Apple.
This reminds me of people in 2007/2008 saying “we don’t need MMS, we have email!”
It’s such a dumb problem which Apple could solve tomorrow if they wanted to.