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"Bendgate" video = Apple banning media outlet

cynics said:
They have to break the law to be sued for slander or anything of the likes, yes. That's how the law works. You need to break it to get in trouble for breaking it.

Credentials pulled? Hardly. Apple isn't going to send them test units any more or invite them to events. That's well within Apples rights and they don't have to do anything at all for Apple to do that. It was a privilege that was taken away from them.

It doesn't matter anyway the majority of tech reviewers buy there own devices and that's what this media outlet will do.
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I agree with all of that. I also agree with Apple's action in this case. It's time to send a message that the rediculous intentional bending needs to stop. I see no reason for Apple to indulge media outlets that engage in this activity. At this point there's absolutely nothing to be gained on the consumer end from yet another clueless "journalist" grabbing an iPhone and cranking it out of shape.
 
Phoboss said:
This and I'm pretty sure, the phones coming off the assembly line in the next weeks will have a stronger reinforcement where the buttons are.
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Actually that would be the worst thing Apple could do in this situation. There's no such thing as a silent update when you're Apple and making a change like this would be an implicit admission that they consider it a fault.

As it is we have a deliberate design compromise; Making the phone this thin puts it towards the bottom of the pack in bend tolerance, but certainly not out of the existing normal range. That's not a defect, it's a choice made to reduce weight and tested to be within a normal range of durability (though lower on the scale than previous models).

A "silent" update that gets picked up by iFixit and the entire internet would make this into a defect even if it wasn't originally.
 
Atomic Walrus said:
Making the phone this thin puts it towards the bottom of the pack in bend tolerance, but certainly not out of the existing normal range.
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I don't think you can make that statement with any confidence since there have been no comprehensive bend tests of all the phones currently on the market.
 
Padmini said:
Publishing fraudulent information with intent to defame doesn't warrant Apple disassociating themselves?

Uh, no, sorry thats basically the definition of when to disassociate yourself.

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No it won't. People that have a clue understand why they did this.

People that want to believe in fantasies and also come across this bit of information.....number in the hundreds, I would suspect.

Hopefully this will teach other media outlets that truth is more important than click-bait blitz...jumping on a viral trend is despicable, and news media do it for no other reason than average joe gorilla looking backwards wearing loser do....money.

Well, now they just lost out on future click-bait revenue by ever having anything of value to say about Apple again.
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its not defaming if its true. iphone 6+ bend easily. end of story.
 
Surf Monkey said:
I don't think you can make that statement with any confidence since there have been no comprehensive bend tests of all the phones currently on the market.
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Right, sorry, from now on I'll only say things when I have absolute comprehensive scientific consensus on that subject. I'm trying to make the point that it's not a defect to make a design compromise to achieve some specific goals, like producing a thin, light phone.

We have one test with actual data that suggests what I said, and that's what I'm using to make the statement. Precisely how accurate it is doesn't have any relevance to the point I was making, which is that there will be no silent update because it's not a defect.

If you're playing defense try not to attack other people on your side in the debate, it's not productive.
 
Atomic Walrus said:
Right, sorry, from now on I'll only say things when I have absolute comprehensive scientific consensus on that subject. I'm trying to make the point that it's not a defect to make a design compromise to achieve some specific goals, like producing a thin, light phone.

We have one test with actual data that suggests what I said, and that's what I'm using to make the statement. Precisely how accurate it is doesn't have any relevance to the point I was making, which is that there will be no silent update because it's not a defect.

If you're playing defense try not to attack other people on your side in the debate, it's not productive.
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Just setting the record straight. Accuracy is important. I agree with your revised comment. Design compromise is arguable, given the fact that any designed object no matter how thick or thin is always going to have a weak point, but yes. Your overall point is correct. There will be no "silent update" because the is no defect in the phone's design. There's simply nothing to update. Period.

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shaunmed said:
its not defaming if its true. iphone 6+ bend easily. end of story.
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Stop spreading misinformation. It doesn't "bend easily," even when boneheads bend it on purpose, which is virtually the only time they get bent in the first place.
 
BigHonkingDeal said:
As I said I am getting an iPhone 6 Plus BUT I am fully aware that I have to make sure that I don't accidentally sit on it.....

A fact is that the device is more fragile than other devices so how can it hurt when this gets pointed out?
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No.

Not a fact.

There has been no evidence of iPhones bending in pockets which was the original claim and what set of the fear factor.

All you have is thumbs turning red with the effort.

Here for all you blind YouTube fans:

Famous hoaxes

Believe
 
I don't see how anyone can deny that the phone is more prone to bending at this point. Yes there is the question of whether or not it would happen under normal use - but it is absolutely more likely than with other phones.

Consumer report's test, while scientific, was not perfect. They should have tried applying the force at different points. In all of these videos, you can see that they have to focus their strength around the volume buttons and/or sim slot to successfully bend the phone. I fully believe the phone needs 90 lbs to bend at the center when supported at the edges. I also believe that one would need much less than 90 lbs to bend it at the weak spots.
 
terraphantm said:
I don't see how anyone can deny that the phone is more prone to bending at this point. Yes there is the question of whether or not it would happen under normal use - but it is absolutely more likely than with other phone.
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Stop spreading misinformation. What you wrote is just flat out wrong. Consumer Reports is the only independent agency to do any testing so far and they only examined six phones. Additionally the fact that they didn't bias their test AGAINST the iPhone doesn't make it less valid, it makes it MORE valid. Every single one of the six phones they tested had a similar weak spot near where buttons are.

Personally? I don't see how anyone can continue harboring such blatantly wrong ideas when the facts are right in front of them.
 
Surf Monkey said:
Stop spreading misinformation. What you wrote is just flat out wrong. Consumer Reports is the only independent agency to do any testing so far and they only examined six phones. Additionally the fact that they didn't bias their test AGAINST the iPhone doesn't make it less valid, it makes it MORE valid. Every single one of the six phones they tested had a similar weak spot near where buttons are.

Personally? I don't see how anyone can continue harboring such blatantly wrong ideas when the facts are right in front of them.
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And they should test at the weakest point for all the phones. Or better yet, test multiple points on multiple phones and figure out what the weakest point is on everything, and how much force is required to bend it at that point. After that, some field testing should be done to see if such damage can occur while the phone is in a pocket.

Really though, there is no freaking way so many people are exerting 90lbs with just their bare hands.

I don't see how anyone can remain in denial when so many people are able to bend it. It'd be one thing for one guy to fake a video or tamper with the device for some hits -- it's another matter entirely when many people are able to (including some kids who probably are barely strong enough to fold paper)
 
terraphantm said:
And they should test at the weakest point for all the phones. Or better yet, test multiple points on multiple phones and figure out what the weakest point is on everything, and how much force is required to bend it at that point. After that, some field testing should be done to see if such damage can occur while the phone is in a pocket.

Really though, there is no freaking way so many people are exerting 90lbs with just their bare hands.

I don't see how anyone can remain in denial when so many people are able to bend it. It'd be one thing for one guy to fake a video or tamper with the device for some hits -- it's another matter entirely when many people are able to (including some kids who probably are barely strong enough to fold paper)
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Believe what you wanna believe.

Millions will still get sold.
 
sinsin07 said:
Believe what you wanna believe.

Millions will still get sold.
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Of course they will. The issue is not enough for me to justify switching to a different phone -- I just am glad the story broke so I know to be extra careful. I do still think they're poorly engineered. And I'm certain Apple will reinforce the chassis with the 6S
 
terraphantm said:
And they should test at the weakest point for all the phones. Or better yet, test multiple points on multiple phones and figure out what the weakest point is on everything, and how much force is required to bend it at that point. After that, some field testing should be done to see if such damage can occur while the phone is in a pocket.

Really though, there is no freaking way so many people are exerting 90lbs with just their bare hands.

I don't see how anyone can remain in denial when so many people are able to bend it. It'd be one thing for one guy to fake a video or tamper with the device for some hits -- it's another matter entirely when many people are able to (including some kids who probably are barely strong enough to fold paper)
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It's a really good thing you're not in charge of testing anything because you don't seem to understand how any of this actually works.
 
I don't understand these bend tests. When is ANYBODY going to grab their phone and apply strong force to bend it with their hands? I think this is the problem with these tests. I want to see tests where people put it in their pocket for a day and see if it bends. One UK site did a great test where they put it in pockets, sat on it, and put it in a tight pocket all day. Now there is a test that is closer to what should be done.

Yes, the new iPhone is weaker than the Galaxy. The question is, is it strong enough for everyday use? I would imagine so.

Also, these bend videos aren't showing false information like some people are saying. They are showing the truth - that the iPhone 6/+ bends easier than other phones in the hand when you try and deliberately bend it. IF they are the conditions of the test, then yes, they are telling the truth. One may assume then that the phone may bend easier in a pocket than another phone, but that certainty can't be extrapolated with any validity because the conditions are so different.
 
Surf Monkey said:
It's a really good thing you're not in charge of testing anything because you don't seem to understand how any of this actually works.
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I understand plenty. Try to take off the rose tinted glasses. A study at a single point (the strongest point) of the phone isn't very valuable.

Even without a study it's pretty obvious that the phone will be more likely to bend where the aluminum is thinnest. Don't have to be a materials science expert to know that.

smoking monkey said:
Yes, the new iPhone is weaker than the Galaxy. The question is, is it strong enough for everyday use? I would imagine so, but time will tell us.
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That's the big question, and no test answers that adequately, including CR's. Based on what we have seen, I suspect that the right jeans on the right person in the right position can cause it to bend. And maybe someone bumps into a table or something at the wrong angle. So it may not be common, but it's also a fair assumption that the phone will be easier to bend than previous iPhones
 
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