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"Bendgate" video = Apple banning media outlet

Surf Monkey said:
That kind of testing would be utterly rediculous overkill because the device would never experience anything like that in the real world and that's why CR didn't do it.
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So you're saying the only stress the iPhone will receive in the real world is pressure against the direct center? It is much more real world to test multiple scenarios, because the real world tends to be random.

If you want scientific tests to mean anything, you've got to be meticulous. That means testing under multiple conditions and trying to account for as many variables as possible.
 
terraphantm said:
So you're saying the only stress the iPhone will receive in the real world is pressure against the direct center? It is much more real world to test multiple scenarios, because the real world tends to be random.

If you want scientific tests to mean anything, you've got to be meticulous. That means testing under multiple conditions and trying to account for as many variables as possible.
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You can extrapolate from a single point test. Your scenerio is egregious overkill.

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BigHonkingDeal said:
I think I've seen your picture.... :D
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... which would be a less likely bend scenerio since his weight is distributed over a much larger, softer more malleable area.
 
terraphantm said:
You can only extrapolate from a single point test if the device is uniform. The 6 is not. It has weak spots, and not measuring at multiple points biases the results
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Not really, but if you want to continue to think that excessive testing is necessary to tell us what we already know that's your prerogative.

Bottom line? It ain't gonna bend unless YOU bend it.
 
Surf Monkey said:
Not really, but if you want to continue to think that excessive testing is necessary to tell us what we already know that's your prerogative.

Bottom line? It ain't gonna bend unless YOU bend it.
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Talk about confirmation bias, my god. I really hope you aren't in charge of designing studies for anything important.

By your rules, we can't make an educated guess as to what the weakest point of the phone is and test there. But designing a uniform study that tests multiple points is "excessive." I guess only tests that paint Apple in a positive light are valid when in the reality distortion field.
 
terraphantm said:
Talk about confirmation bias, my god. I really hope you aren't in charge of designing studies for anything important.

By your rules, we can't make an educated guess as to what the weakest point of the phone is and test there. But designing a uniform study that tests multiple points is "excessive." I guess only tests that paint Apple in a positive light are valid when in the reality distortion field.
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Yeah, not even close. Nothing about the CR test "paints Apple in a positive light." What's rediculous here is demanding more and more testing to confirm something we already know: if you grab it and bend it it'll bend. We even know where it'll bend. What more information are you really looking for? If it was really a problem we'd be seeing a flood of people with pocket bent iPhones on the board. But we're not seeing that at all. We're not seeing any pocket bent phones. So that pretty much puts the "issue" to rest, and that's not a case of apologetics or excuse making. It's a matter of simple reality.
 
CEmajr said:
Excellent. Defamation of the company over this made up "bendgate" forad revenue controversy certainly justifies banning media outlets. They thought they were cashing in but instead they've now been cut off from future ad revenue. Good job Apple.
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Yeah, not only that Apple should sue them for damages
 
Surf Monkey said:
Yeah, not even close. Nothing about the CR test "paints Apple in a positive light." What's rediculous here is demanding more and more testing to confirm something we already know: if you grab it and bend it it'll bend. We even know where it'll bend. What more information are you really looking for? If it was really a problem we'd be seeing a flood of people with pocket bent iPhones on the board. But we're not seeing that at all. We're not seeing any pocket bent phones. So that pretty much puts the "issue" to rest, and that's not a case of apologetics or excuse making. It's a matter of simple reality.
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I want to know whether or not it is possible for a 6 or 6 plus bend during normal use. The consumer reports test does very little to answer that question. A proper test would help answer that question. Hypothetically, if only 30 lbs was needed to bend the phone at a certain point, then that is certainly something that can happen in a pocket, even if one must bump into something at the right spot.

With all the media outcry, I would expect people to be much more careful with their phones. Even as it stands now, there are more than the 9 reports Apple claimed. And there may very well be more reports as more people get their hands on 6 pluses. As it stands, I'm pretty sure people aren't exerting 90 lbs in those videos -- they'd probably break their thumbs (or at least a lesser injury) with that much force
 
This thread is dumb. And it's perpetuating the fraud. (should be closed)

Apple does ban reporters and media outlets for shenanigans, prime example Leo Leport, who tired to sneak a public interview with Steve Jobs at an invite event. He got banned too.

In this case, a media outlet, who should know better, essentially duplicated Unbox Therapy's video, and it was the editor who did it.

The way he is trying to show impartiality by "NOT" or lamely trying to bend the Note 3 was real sham. And Unbox Therapy also didn't fairly try to bend Samsung phones either. It's all apart of Samsung's media blitz to scare the Asian market away from the iPhone 6 Plus, because that's Samsung's territory.

People, if you know how, you can bend a monkey wrench. I bent 3/8" rebar, with my bare hands, for a project I was working on.

What I am trying to say is, Computer-Bilt made the mistake and now Apple doesn't want to work with them anymore.

The OP's link was a hit piece, where all the comments I saw, had no clue what was going on, or were a part of the blitz...

So I am calling the OP a troll.
 
terraphantm said:
I want to know whether or not it is possible for a 6 or 6 plus bend during normal use.
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With all due respect? I don't think you do. I think you want to fan the flames of uncertainty. And I think that because there is simply no reason to believe that the phone is subject to bending under normal circumstances. If it were there would be lots of easily verifiable cases both here and elsewhere. So? Where are they? The VERY pointed lack of any significant number of phone's bent in normal use tells the whole story. Even the cases we've seen here have been highly suspect, falling into either "probably intentionally bent it" or "likely a factory defect."

All of this leads to one conclusion. If you're buying into the idea that they bend in normal circumstances you're either exceptionally gullible or you have an agenda because no one with a lick of rationality and the ability to observe can escape the fact that pocket bent phones simply aren't out there.
 
"Bend-over" ComputerBild, you just got the shaft from Tim Cook. So much for fair and balanced reporting. I would expect this from the Politburo, not Apple! Totally shameful.
 
calvol said:
"Bend-over" ComputerBild, you just got the shaft from Tim Cook. So much for fair and balanced reporting. I would expect this from the Politburo, not Apple! Totally shameful.
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Oh, brother. Overburden your rhetoric much?

Apple has every right to do this and in the reasoned opinion of many of us they were right to do it.
 
"Bendgate" video = Apple banning media outlet

Sensible move by Apple. The media are loving this whole bend thing and it won't be long until it taints the products perception in the wider sense. If the tests are not done with perspective, then it's dangerous ground. Looks like they have gone the same way as Gizmodo.
 
I criticise Apple all the time and although I like their devices overall, I'm not a fanboy in any sense of the word.

Apple has done the right thing here.

Deliberately bending these devices doesn't show anything. It's not scientific because the amount of pressure applied will vary from person to person. In addition, it's unlikely that the phones will have the same or more force applied in the same manner in regular use. So whilst these videos are showing how easily you can force bend the iPhone, that doesn't necessarily mean it will ever bend in regular use.

Every expensive piece of technology should be treated with care. Don't sit on your phone. Don't keep it in your pockets while you're at the gym doing lunges, etc. Just have a bit of common sense and you won't run into any issues.

These videos make a mountain out of a molehill. Yes these devices are structurally weaker than earlier iOS devices and competing devices, but don't recklessly use them in a way that you shouldn't be using them anyway and you'll be fine. This really is a case of "you're using it wrong" if you manage to bend an iPhone!
 
Surf Monkey said:
With all due respect? I don't think you do. I think you want to fan the flames of uncertainty. And I think that because there is simply no reason to believe that the phone is subject to bending under normal circumstances. If it were there would be lots of easily verifiable cases both here and elsewhere. So? Where are they? The VERY pointed lack of any significant number of phone's bent in normal use tells the whole story. Even the cases we've seen here have been highly suspect, falling into either "probably intentionally bent it" or "likely a factory defect."

All of this leads to one conclusion. If you're buying into the idea that they bend in normal circumstances you're either exceptionally gullible or you have an agenda because no one with a lick of rationality and the ability to observe can escape the fact that pocket bent phones simply aren't out there.
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That really is all I want to know. They look to bend way too easily by bare hands, and I want measurements of what's going on in those scenarios. If it were only one guy out there, I'd believe the device was tampered with. But people bending iPhones in stores and such make me believe they can be deformed with less than 90 lbs force. Try exerting 90 lbs with just your thumbs and wrists; it's not easy. Impossible for many.

I believe it is plausible that they can bend under normal circumstances. Only way to know for sure is to collect more data. See how little force can be used to deform the device in a worst case scenario, and see how much force one can exert on the phone sitting in a pocket. My gut feeling is that the force required in that worst case scenario is quite low - maybe 20-30 lbs, which you can easily exert with your leg without feeling much. I'm not gullible -- if I were, I would blindly believe Apple's damage control tactics. My only agenda is getting more data on these things.
 
terraphantm said:
That really is all I want to know. They look to bend way too easily by bare hands, and I want measurements of what's going on in those scenarios. If it were only one guy out there, I'd believe the device was tampered with. But people bending iPhones in stores and such make me believe they can be deformed with less than 90 lbs force. Try exerting 90 lbs with just your thumbs and wrists; it's not easy. Impossible for many.

I believe it is plausible that they can bend under normal circumstances. Only way to know for sure is to collect more data. See how little force can be used to deform the device in a worst case scenario, and see how much force one can exert on the phone sitting in a pocket. My gut feeling is that the force required in that worst case scenario is quite low - maybe 20-30 lbs, which you can easily exert with your leg without feeling much. I'm not gullible -- if I were, I would blindly believe Apple's damage control tactics. My only agenda is getting more data on these things.
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You want more data?

Try bending 15,000 phones. Consumer Reports used scientific measurements, why does anyone else think that arms and hands, which are subjective can possibly be scientific.

No one is going to do what you suggest, collect more data, other than Apple. The bend videos sacrifice one phone for the sake of collecting advert revenue. They don't care what you think. There's your data.
 
terraphantm said:
I don't see how anyone can remain in denial when so many people are able to bend it. It'd be one thing for one guy to fake a video or tamper with the device for some hits -- it's another matter entirely when many people are able to (including some kids who probably are barely strong enough to fold paper)
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Mmmmmmm

www.oneofthenine.com

30 bent iPhones....in that number is included 5 phones bent purposely in Apple stores an 1 phone bent by Lewis of Unbox Therapy...

30-6=24 possible genuine bends.

24 in 10M gives you a 0.00024% of bent iPhones.

please revise "many" in your sentence....

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Surf Monkey said:
Yeah, not even close. Nothing about the CR test "paints Apple in a positive light." What's rediculous here is demanding more and more testing to confirm something we already know: if you grab it and bend it it'll bend. We even know where it'll bend. What more information are you really looking for? If it was really a problem we'd be seeing a flood of people with pocket bent iPhones on the board. But we're not seeing that at all. We're not seeing any pocket bent phones. So that pretty much puts the "issue" to rest, and that's not a case of apologetics or excuse making. It's a matter of simple reality.
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If the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus would in reality bend in front pockets or back pockets I would be expecting a flood of youtube videos showing exactly that happening.

has anyone seen one of those videos?

the only person testing that was this guy from the BBC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8E9xlGbZaA
 
I buy my iPhone is to use it, not to use both hands to bend it. Using both hands to bend the iPhone or any other phone is not normal use the phones.
 
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