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"Bendgate" video = Apple banning media outlet

I so completely support this move. Apple has shown a lot of patience and restraint in responding to all this ridiculousness. Tim and the team are incredibly proud of these products. I have no doubt it personally hurts them when people are feeding a frenzy of misinformation, especially when that misinformation has the very real potential to damage the company.

Now if it were me I'd do everything in my power to permanently stop any person who deliberately bends an iPhone from owning one in the future. I'd block all their Apple accounts and IDs, and put their addresses in a database that declines to activate devices if a match is found. Some people are just not worthy of owning these products, and all they are doing is denying others who are desperately waiting for their new iPhones to be delivered.
 
terraphantm said:
I understand plenty. Try to take off the rose tinted glasses. A study at a single point (the strongest point) of the phone isn't very valuable.

Even without a study it's pretty obvious that the phone will be more likely to bend where the aluminum is thinnest. Don't have to be a materials science expert to know that.
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Thanks for illustrating my point. The idea going into the test wasn't to focus on a strong OR weak point of any phone. It was to apply the same force in the same place to each phone equally. Once you start targeting known weaknesses in each phone you stop having a legitimate comparative test and start having a biased one. Again: they didn't target the strong part of the phone. They built a test that simulated the kind of stress that might be found in a pocket and then applied the same test to each of the six phones equally.
 
terraphantm said:
Of course they will. The issue is not enough for me to justify switching to a different phone -- I just am glad the story broke so I know to be extra careful. I do still think they're poorly engineered. And I'm certain Apple will reinforce the chassis with the 6S
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So why not leave the subject alone? It's been covered ad nauseam.


You're not adding anything new.


You are just parroting what is already out there.
 
Surf Monkey said:
Thanks for illustrating my point. The idea going into the test wasn't to focus on a strong OR weak point of any phone. It was to apply the same force in the same place to each phone equally. Once you start targeting known weaknesses in each phone you stop having a legitimate comparative test and start having a biased one. Again: they didn't target the strong part of the phone. They built a test that simulated the kind of stress that might be found in a pocket and then applied the same test to each of the six phones equally.
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Okay, forget about known weaknesses. I'm only mentioning that because I know it to be a weak point, and no one has measured how much force it takes to bend there.

For a proper test, one would make a 3x3 (or 4x4, 5x5, etc.) grid across the back of the phone and test the force required to bend at the center of each box while supporting the phone at the top and bottom edges. That will allow you to paint a much better picture of where the phone is strong, and where it is weak.

The data we've got of just a single point isn't very useful. The more points you test, the better idea you will have as to whether or not a large amount of force (however you define large) is required to bend the phone.


sinsin07 said:
So why not leave the subject alone? It's been covered ad nauseam.


You're not adding anything new.


You are just parroting what is already out there.
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Because this is a public forum and I want to express my opinion, especially when people with opinions that are contrary to Apple tend to be buried under a bunch of apologists.
 
terraphantm said:
I understand plenty. Try to take off the rose tinted glasses. A study at a single point (the strongest point) of the phone isn't very valuable.

Even without a study it's pretty obvious that the phone will be more likely to bend where the aluminum is thinnest. Don't have to be a materials science expert to know that.
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No sh!#.

Many things will bend where it is thinnest.

The firestorm started with bending in pocket. Still no proof of that.
terraphantm said:
I suspect that the right jeans on the right person in the right position can cause it to bend.
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This is the biggest problem. What you suspect.

What you suspect is irrelevant. It's all in your mind.
terraphantm said:
And maybe someone bumps into a table or something at the wrong angle. So it may not be common, but it's also a fair assumption that the phone will be easier to bend than previous iPhones
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Once again, the problem here is highlight in bold.

You suspect and assume a lot.

You provide no evidence of anything you suspect or assume.
 
So disgusting to see all these folks bending and breaking brand-new, really expensive phones. Especially when I'm waiting for my contract to be up in exactly 31 days so I can justify dropping slightly less cash on an upgrade. Whether I end up with the 6 or the 6+, I can assure you mine will never bend, because I'm not stupid enough to put it in a position to make it bend!
 
sinsin07 said:
No sh!#.

Many things will bend where it is thinnest.

The firestorm started with bending in pocket. Still no proof of that.

This is the biggest problem. What you suspect.

What you suspect is irrelevant. It's all in your mind.

Once again, the problem here is highlight in bold.

You suspect and assume a lot.

You provide no evidence of anything.
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Yes, I have my suspicions and assumptions. I'm basing those suspicions and assumptions on video evidence. Ideally I would validate those with hard data, but I don't have the means to do so. That does not mean the issue should be completely ignored. If someone would like to donate a few 6+s to me, I'd be happy to conduct some studies.

You accept that an item will be easiest to bend at its thinnest point. And it is fact that the iPhone 6 is thinner than previous iPhones (and even some iPod touches). Aluminum also has a lower yield point than many other materials. So you think it is still illogical to assume the iPhone 6 will be easier to bend than previous iPhones as well as phones made predominantly of plastic?
 
terraphantm said:
Because this is a public forum and I want to express my opinion, especially when people with opinions that are contrary to Apple tend to be buried under a bunch of apologists.
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Express away if it makes you feel better.


You add nothing to the topic that hasn't been covered by someone else and a lot of what you posted is supposition.
 
dumastudetto said:
I so completely support this move. Apple has shown a lot of patience and restraint in responding to all this ridiculousness. Tim and the team are incredibly proud of these products. I have no doubt it personally hurts them when people are feeding a frenzy of misinformation, especially when that misinformation has the very real potential to damage the company.

Now if it were me I'd do everything in my power to permanently stop any person who deliberately bends an iPhone from owning one in the future. I'd block all their Apple accounts and IDs, and put their addresses in a database that declines to activate devices if a match is found. Some people are just not worthy of owning these products, and all they are doing is denying others who are desperately waiting for their new iPhones to be delivered.
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Lol. Wow.

Just when I think I've read it all.....

I'm sure Tim is real sad....

Who cares what people do after they buy the phone?
 
BigHonkingDeal said:
As I said I am getting an iPhone 6 Plus BUT I am fully aware that I have to make sure that I don't accidentally sit on it.....

A fact is that the device is more fragile than other devices so how can it hurt when this gets pointed out?
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Why any one would think sitting on a phone is safe is beyond me. But I have a booty for a white guy so maybe it's different for you.
 
Arran said:
Oh, come on now. Enough with the over-dramatization. Apple's not gagging the magazine. The editors can still publish whatever they want.

Apple's just saying: "You're jerks and we're putting you on our ignore list". Same thing that happens to antisocial posters here.
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I guess I just don't understand why they are jerks. Because they decided to do a bend test on a phone, which was quite obviously spurred by people's first hand experiences with the phone bending in their pockets? "Bend tests" didn't just appear for no reason. As far as I am aware, the reason people are interested is because this was happening under what people would consider normal use.

Certainly there are folks here overreacting. But I think Apple did the same.
 
No one here is privy to the details of the agreement the banned site and others signed with Apple to share test devices and be invited to media events. I suspect that the devices are provided for reviews, not media stunts involving completely unrealistic everyday use cases.

I have an iPhone 6 Plus and like all of my iPhones it immediately went into a sturdy case. This was a no brainer simply due to the size but I'd treat an iPhone 6 (or Note 3 or Note 4) the same way.

If it takes 90lbs of force to bend the phone at the center (stronger) point, let's assume it only takes 40lbs on the weak point near the volume buttons. If I were to apply 40lbs to any of my pockets I would immediately feel discomfort. This is the premise that I don't understand - that someone would sit on a phone or have the phone in such a position in their pocket to apply this much force and not notice it.

Watching people play Hulk with devices is about the stupidest hobby Apple haters have come up with yet. :rolleyes:
 
johnc22 said:
No one here is privy to the details of the agreement the banned site and others signed with Apple to share test devices and be invited to media events. I suspect that the devices are provided for reviews, not media stunts involving completely unrealistic everyday use cases.
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I certainly don't disagree here, except that I didn't view this as a stunt. There are documented (or as close as one can get to documenting) cases of phone bending in pockets. This site seemed to want to get an actual real measurement of the forces required to do this.

I won't disagree that a test unit (if that is what they actually used) should not have been the device used in this test, though.
 
lordofthereef said:
This site seemed to want to get an actual real measurement of the forces required to do this.
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Using one's bare hands to bend a phone is about the least accurate way I can think of to measure the forces required to bend it. There's absolutely nothing scientific about bending the phone with one's hands. It's a binary outcome - either you can or you can't. We have no idea if this guy is a pudgy computer dude with flaccid muscles or a daily weightlifter - either way it's a stupid "test".

I'm undecided on Apple's response since again I'm not privy to the agreement between the two parties.
 
johnc22 said:
Using one's bare hands to bend a phone is about the least accurate way I can think of to measure the forces required to bend it. There's absolutely nothing scientific about bending the phone with one's hands. It's a binary outcome - either you can or you can't. We have no idea if this guy is a pudgy computer dude with flaccid muscles or a daily weightlifter - either way it's a stupid "test".

I'm undecided on Apple's response since again I'm not privy to the agreement between the two parties.
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Did I miss something? I thought they used a device that actually measured the force (which is what I was referring to).

EDIT: Seems I may have. That imagine was misplaced, if I do say so myself. :)
 
lordofthereef said:
Did I miss something? I thought they used a device that actually measured the force (which is what I was referring to).
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The original post of this thread shows a video of a bald-headed guy on Computer Bild bending phones with his bare hands. He also tries to bend a Samsung. Whether he used exactly the same force on both phones is impossible to know - he doesn't even know.
 
johnc22 said:
The original post of this thread shows a video of a bald-headed guy on Computer Bild bending phones with his bare hands. He also tries to bend a Samsung. Whether he used exactly the same force on both phones is impossible to know - he doesn't even know.
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I caught that, just before you started responding it seems. My bad. I thought the test facitilities video was the video in question.
 
terraphantm said:
Okay, forget about known weaknesses. I'm only mentioning that because I know it to be a weak point, and no one has measured how much force it takes to bend there.

For a proper test, one would make a 3x3 (or 4x4, 5x5, etc.) grid across the back of the phone and test the force required to bend at the center of each box while supporting the phone at the top and bottom edges. That will allow you to paint a much better picture of where the phone is strong, and where it is weak.

The data we've got of just a single point isn't very useful. The more points you test, the better idea you will have as to whether or not a large amount of force (however you define large) is required to bend the phome.
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That kind of testing would be utterly rediculous overkill because the device would never experience anything like that in the real world and that's why CR didn't do it.
 
lordofthereef said:
I caught that, just before you started responding it seems. My bad. I thought the test facitilities video was the video in question.
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I think Consumer Reports' tests were completely valid. They may not have gone after the weakest point of the iPhone 6, but at least they used a scientific method in their testing. As someone else mentioned, you'd need to identify the weak spot of all phones and apply maximum force to those spots to identify the most easily broken when circumstances are just right (someone accidentally applies that amount of force to the weakest spot on a phone). I don't think anyone is going to do that.
 
kalirob99 said:
Why any one would think sitting on a phone is safe is beyond me. But I have a booty for a white guy so maybe it's different for you.
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I think I've seen your picture.... :D
 

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