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He's right about tax.

Apple should pay tax for the countries that they sell their products in, rather than funnelling it all through Ireland, purely in order to avoid paying a fair share of tax. Can small businesses take advantage of such tax breaks? No. Neither should Apple. That they don't only serves to highlight the hypocrisy of Tim Cook's supposedly ethical stance on issues that sometimes have no bearing on Apple.

Apple is effectively anti-government, anti-fairness and pro-pollution. Tim Cook has made it quite clear that money is his master ("Follow the money"), and this is the only thing that really matters to him. I preferred Steve Jobs for two reasons: he never got on the moral high horse like Cook, and he genuinely wanted to make amazing products; he was a products guy.
Pro-pollution? really? you don't follow Apple much huh. What do you mean they should pay tax for countries they sell in? Pay both in that country AND in the US? And the tax laws apply to all businesses so yeah small business could too but they are not large enough to have offices out of the country so they get hit with the US corp tax rate as well. And Steve Jobs?, again haven't read up much on him either huh. He even shi**** his partner out of money. I am not technically a Tim Cook fan but seems you are off base about him.
 
Bernie > Hillary > Kasich > puddle of slime > Trump > Cruz (who actually believes with the fury of god all of the insane things that Trump just pretends to for money/power/votes)

You do know Trump is even more willing to talk about the return of domestic manufacturing than Sanders.

Trump is a lifelong liberal though, so no one should be remotely surprised.
 
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Everyone knows the only reason why Apple employs it's workforce offshore in factories is to reduce it's costs and and increase it's revenue to insane levels. Apple is making more than $£€¥ 1 million in revenue, so Apple can afford to pay at a very minimum 30% tax in the country where the actual sale is made. Shareholders need to get used to this now. Apple paying more tax, it's coming. Regular citizens pay upwards or more than 30% tax on income around the world. Even Apple taxes its own software developers 30% of their sales! So Apple, why be hypocrites? With $£€¥ billions in profit each year, Apple is very much in a position to pay its proper fair share of tax in each country it makes the sale. So why doesn't Apple stop this profit shifting to reduce the tax it pays? It clearly has financial scope to pay proper amounts of tax. It's rather disgusting behaviour that Apple doesn't pay proper taxes. I support authorities and governments to address the laws and retrospectively go after companies like Apple for every $£€¥ they owe. Who do these companies think they are? They want all the protections that company structures allows, but they don't want to pay a since cent of tax.
 
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You really can't read sarcasm?

Yo go ahead and vote TRUMP. You'll get whats coming to ya soon enough.
The problems is they are too stupid to understand. Their general intellectual level has declined in big parts of the population. This can be proven by statistics, and have been in several documentaries such as "Waiting for Superman".

They no longer understand the purpose of a goverment, and want a bully to be their boss because he acts tough. It seems the new generation of young americans now wants to go back to the wild wild west. Where there are no laws, and people they dont like can get tortured and shot, because freedom bitches.

40 million people in poverty around them, is not even providing a wake up call. When it would be an absolute crisis in Europe. That would cause us to restructure our whole system. But in the US thats just how its always been. If yurr not smart enough to provide for yourself, its your own dayumn fault.
 
The problems is they are too stupid to understand. Their general intellectual level has declined in big parts of the population. This can be proven by statistics, and have been in several documentaries such as "Waiting for Superman".

They no longer understand the purpose of a goverment, and want a bully to be their boss because he acts tough. It seems the new generation of young americans now wants to go back to the wild wild west. Where there are no laws, and people they dont like can get tortured and shot, because freedom bitches.

40 million people in poverty around them, is not even providing a wake up call. When it would be an absolute crisis in Europe. That would cause us to restructure our whole system. But in the US thats just how its always been. If yurr not smart enough to provide for yourself, its your own dayumn fault.

Someone disagrees with you so they are too stupid? So you should be in charge and tell everyone what to do because you're so much smarter?

People still get tortured and shot today, the only difference is the government is using my tax money to do it. So yes, I would prefer the wild west and free trade, to the monstrous mess of control freaks we have now.
 
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What intelectual level?

Basic education is barely that and higher education is worth more than a mansion...
 
Yes, I completely reject that. Private, free trade always pushes quality up and prices down. Government FORCE always does the opposite. It's really sad to see people, not you specifically, just in general, brainwashed into thinking the government actually cares about anyone. They exist solely to justify their own existence and are the definition of a monopoly.

What does it matter if it pushes quality up when it pushes millions of people into poverty? There are more important things in life than the products on the shelves in electronic shops. Your whole sense of humanity is missing. Your whole economy is failing apart, you had one big crash a few years ago and now its more clear than ever that this free trade system you are defending is what has corrupted the government. Yet still you defend it?
 
"In a December interview with Charlie Rose, Apple CEO Tim Cook gave some color on why Apple products are made in China. "It's skill," he said, going on to explain that China has focused heavily on training people to create machinery and parts for electronic devices."

I honestly fell off my chair laughing when I read that quote by ******* Cook. He must think we're all stupid.

They make their stuff in China because they can use slave labour to make it for a pittance and sell it on at massive markup. That's why they've got billions in the bank.​
I agree with you, that's the biggest lie to come out of the hypocrites at Apple.
Assembling phones is a skilled job? And we don't have people here that can do it? What a crock of ****!
Someone needs to tell that hypocrite that there is a reason that all high end manufacturing is done here in the US and other developed nations. It certainly isn't done because of lack of skilled people.
 
If only I, as a single American citizen, could hold my tax responsibilities hostage from the government as well. You know, at least until they agree to lower my percentage to something I feel is more fair. If you are saying you wish the government would lower EVERYONE's tax rate to 15% so that the corporations would pay up, then sure, I'd go for that. But I can pretty much guarantee the corporations will continues to use their abundant resources to pay less than what they owe, no matter what the actual percentage is. Closing loopholes in the tax system is a bit like waiting for a bug-free software release. While I wouldn't mind the government putting a bit more effort into fixing the tax codes, I am not so naive to assume that they could ever come up with something loophole-free.
What I am saying is the fact that the IRS wants them to pay 38- 40% when they can have their offices overseas and only pay like 15%. All most companies want is for US to be at least in the same ball park as the rest of the world. Thats why they move in the 1st place. If it were equal to or at least close to what they pay elsewhere they would stay in the US not only generating all that extra tax $$ but creating more jobs here too. Cisco CEO said so in an interview. And what you are failing to recognize when you say "they pay less than they owe" is, by the IRS's own rules they don't owe more than they are paying.
 
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I am a supporter of a flat tax plan. Personal income tax at 10%. National sales tax of 3%. Corporate tax rate of 15%.
Simplify the tax code and get rid of tax credits for things like EIC, Child Tax Credit... etc. If you are "poor"... you still pay the same rate as someone else. Make $200 week minimum wage... your tax is $20 per week. If you make $2000 per week, your tax is $200 per week. Fair is fair.
 
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What does it matter if it pushes quality up when it pushes millions of people into poverty? There are more important things in life than the products on the shelves in electronic shops. Your whole sense of humanity is missing. Your whole economy is failing apart, you had one big crash a few years ago and now its more clear than ever that this free trade system you are defending is what has corrupted the government. Yet still you defend it?
Freedom does not push anyone into poverty. The government is what caused the crash in the first place. The market is so distorted from their constant money printing and manipulation there's going to be a much worse crash. My sense of humanity is just fine. I believe adults know how to best handle their lives without government forcing them to do something.
 
Someone disagrees with you so they are too stupid? So you should be in charge and tell everyone what to do because you're so much smarter?

People still get tortured and shot today, the only difference is the government is using my tax money to do it. So yes, I would prefer the wild west and free trade, to the monstrous mess of control we have now.
Yeah when you claim that you dont need taxes and still want to live in a developed contry you are officially stupid.
 
Completely BS responses from Cook. Sometimes, like with the whole privacy thing, I start to like the guy and then comments like these are dug up and I think he's a complete tool.

Ironically it's Sanders that would make America great again. I'd be insanely jealous if you guys elected him.

A Sanders v Trump race would be fascinating. You couldn't find two more diametrically opposed people and it'd probably be a pretty close race. Hillary is just a nothing candidate like Obama.
 
Yeah when you claim that you dont need taxes and still want to live in a developed contry you are officially stupid.
Yes, free people are too stupid to create or develop anything involving mutual cooperation without the "benevolent" force of government stealing their money and doing "what's best for them" with it.

Are you on the government's pay roll by any chance?
 
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Freedom does not push anyone into poverty. The government is what caused the crash in the first place. The market is so distorted from their constant money printing and manipulation there's going to be a much worse crash. My sense of humanity is just fine. I believe adults know how to best handle their lives without government forcing them to do something.
I assume you´ve never needed a hospital, police help, a bank, a school, a fireman or any part of the government to live your life then. You just ended up in the sofa with your Mac on your own. Because you´re some kind of genius who´s got it all figured out.

You CLEARLY have not read anything about the financial collapse. As it had little to do with the government, and everything to do with the free economic system to do.
 
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Yes, free people are too stupid to create or develop anything involving mutual cooperation without the "benevolent" force of government stealing their money and doing "what's best for them" with it.

Are you on the government's pay roll by any chancel?

Have you stopped for a second and though that maybe just maybe the problem is not that there IS a government. But the government you do not like does not have the right checks and balances implemented?
 
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Completely BS responses from Cook. Sometimes, like with the whole privacy thing, I start to like the guy and then comments like these are dug up and I think he's a complete tool.

Ironically it's Sanders that would make America great again. I'd be insanely jealous if you guys elected him.

A Sanders v Trump race would be fascinating. You couldn't find two more diametrically opposed people and it'd probably be a pretty close race. Hillary is just a nothing candidate like Obama.
Same here. Sanders is reminiscent of some of the great great political pioneers we had in europe in the 50s and 60s who fought for peoples rights. I wish we had him running in my country for prime minister. Its amazing to see that far-right america has come up with a candidate such as him.
 
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I assume you´ve never needed a hospital, police help, a bank, a school, a fireman or any part of the government to live your life then. You just ended up in the sofa with your Mac on your own. Because you´re some kind of genius who´s got it all figured out.

You CLEARLY have not read anything about the financial collapse. As it had little to do with the government, and everything to do with the free economic system to do.

All those things could be provided by a private market.

And I understand simple math, so I don't need to read what expert keynesian economists have to say about the crash.
Crashes in free markets are good, it cleanses the market of bubbles and brings prices to correct levels. In free trade there is risk. That's what being free is all about. But the US economy is so distorted by government interference that inflation will soon be out of control.
 
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Have you stopped for a second and though that maybe just maybe the problem is not that there IS a government. But the government you do not like does not have the right checks and balances implemented?
No he has not. You cant argue with fools like this. I´ve tried many many times. Theres all the proof in the world but they will flat out reject anything to support their personal belief instead. No matter how unfounded it is. The only way you can defeat this type of rethoric is hoping enough smart people vote for a better way out. And not lot the stupid ones hold you down.
 
No he has not. You cant argue with fools like this. I´ve tried many many times. Theres all the proof in the world but they will flat out reject anything to support their personal belief instead. No matter how unfounded it is. The only way you can defeat this type of rethoric is hoping enough smart people vote for a better way out. And not lot the stupid ones hold you down.

If your vote mattered they wouldn't let you do it.
 
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All those things could be provided by a private market.

And I understand simple math, so I don't need to read what expert keynesian economists have to say about the crash.
Crashes in free markets are good, it cleanses the market of bubbles and brings prices to correct levels. In free trade there is risk. That's what being free is all about. But the US economy is so distorted by government interference that inflation will soon be out of control.
Before Obamas affordable care act, there was more power in the private market. They had their chance to shine. And guess what, that left 50 million people out of the health care system. Are you comfertable with that? Are you willing to say "yes I want everything to be handled privately, even though 50 million people will not get the care they need"?

Just to provide a sense of scale. 50 million people is more than all of Skandinavia combined. Its bigger than several countries in europe. And all of those people had no health insurrance under your privately run "paradise." Time to wake up. This is what taxes can contribute to help. Don´t ya wanna help yurr fellow murricans?
 
Apple will move back to the US when conditions are such that they won't be paying an arm and a leg to manufacture here. Read: not at all if Bernie gets his way with his tax plans.
Exactly and all these here complaining haven't realized that the $750 iPhone would be $2500 if they didnt save on the lower tax rates and lower labor paid elsewhere.
 
This makes my blood boil. Typical "fair share" crap. No one ever has an answer on what that should be with the ability to defend it.

Well how can you possibly be against it, it's got a built-in defense in the word "fair". Aren't you for fairness? Then you should agree that whoever I say isn't paying a "fair share" should start paying more money!
[doublepost=1459905259][/doublepost]On another note: My 5k iMac was made in the USA.
 
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