Yeah pretty ridiculous. And not even any co-pays. And I am not alone. Guess some people are just uninformed.
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Bernie Sanders Wishes Apple Would Move Some Manufacturing to US and Pay 'Fair Share' of Taxes
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Like a lot of large corporations Apple pay as little as they can. Don’t dress it up or justify it.
In the Uk at least where they dodge huge amounts of tax their employees still atke out of teh system the same as everybody else. Yes, what I’m saying is they don’t pay what they should to call upon the benefits of street lighting, the roads, Fire Service, Police, Health Service but they sure as s*** benefit to the same degree as we that do. At the same they like to trumpet this, ‘We are ethical crap.'
I just wonder how many of those Panama papers are filed in Cupertino.
Yeah Bernie...I'm sure taxing corporations up to 90% will have them returning to or remaining in the USA for good....
Well this was a fun thread. Typical of all policsllt charged threads, it's filled with cheap shots and very little actual substance. Just thought I'd contribute to the nothingness with this post lol.
Well...better with Sander than Hillary.Don't tell me I'm the only one who thought this
The way that you change law is to get people.to back the idea that it is, indeed, a problem. A seed must be planted before a tree can grow.
Apple isn't doing anything illegal. If they were they wouldn't be allowed to continue to do so. I don't think Sanders is contesting that for a second.
All that said, companies are always free to lead by example. Apple goes beyond what is required of them in terms of environmental sustainability. It's just that when we are talking about dollar signs few, if any, companies find the ability to be anything other than ultra conservative. Not necessarily judging here. They're doing what a business is supposed to do. Make the most money while losing the least and remaining within the boundaries of the law.
If Bernie wants to be President, wouldn't he then have the power to try and implement changes to the tax code that would solve this problem?
Wait, I forgot - politicians don't actually want to do anything about this issue, they just want to put public pressure on companies to volunteer to pay more taxes. That way they don't have to worry about making any changes that might lose them support, and it makes them sound good to the public.
Wait, I forgot - politicians don't actually want to do anything about this issue, they just want to put public pressure on companies to volunteer to pay more taxes. That way they don't have to worry about making any changes that might lose them support, and it makes them sound good to the public.
View away.
Assuming Apple's conduct is legal, then the laws need to be changed. If Apple products increase in price, so be it. That's the price you pay for a functional society.
I'm in the same boat with you. The negative response here is because he dared to criticize Saint Tim and the Holy Apple.
No one here is supporting tax evasion. However, this country is built on capitalism and to expect companies out to make a profit to purposely do something that will cost them a ton of money for the sake of goodness of their heart is a laughable fantasy land at-best. Plus there is a difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance. Feel free to donate your tax refund check to government out of the goodness of your heart.
In this case, directly from Bernie's mouth via an interview on CNBC with John Harwood.
Bernie Sanders: "A 90 Percent Tax Rate Isn't Too High."
Very thoughtful... but... yes there's a big but:
- A lot of Americans want to get paid big bucks and work little. And the ones working and not making money, don't put their minds into their work, so the resulting product is pure garbage.
Proof?: A simple Hamburger from McDonald's or Burger King hardly ever is done right.
More Proof?: A huge amount of GM cars had sunroof problems. My then brand new Pontiac Bonneville had this problem, and the dealer keep cleaning the drainage... The reality??? Some idiot at the manufacturing didn't puncture the seal of the rear drainage tubes. Whoever was working on that at the assembly line had no clue of what he was doing, or simply didn't care. Or maybe didn't even understood english.
- Add Workers Unions to that, and the resulting mix is: Not feasible.
- Plus, taxes in the U.S. are way too high, specially when adding Workers Comp, health insurance, hazard insurance, tax for this, tax for that, City Tax, State Tax, Environmental tax, lawsuits, blah, blah...
Apple devices are already expensive; I don't want to pay 4 times their current price.
Unless Apple finds a balanced point and feels it makes some sense to bring some products to be manufactured in the U.S., I don't see this happening any time ever.
- A lot of Americans want to get paid big bucks and work little. And the ones working and not making money, don't put their minds into their work, so the resulting product is pure garbage.
Proof?: A simple Hamburger from McDonald's or Burger King hardly ever is done right.
More Proof?: A huge amount of GM cars had sunroof problems. My then brand new Pontiac Bonneville had this problem, and the dealer keep cleaning the drainage... The reality??? Some idiot at the manufacturing didn't puncture the seal of the rear drainage tubes. Whoever was working on that at the assembly line had no clue of what he was doing, or simply didn't care. Or maybe didn't even understood english.
- Add Workers Unions to that, and the resulting mix is: Not feasible.
- Plus, taxes in the U.S. are way too high, specially when adding Workers Comp, health insurance, hazard insurance, tax for this, tax for that, City Tax, State Tax, Environmental tax, lawsuits, blah, blah...
Apple devices are already expensive; I don't want to pay 4 times their current price.
Unless Apple finds a balanced point and feels it makes some sense to bring some products to be manufactured in the U.S., I don't see this happening any time ever.
I fully agree on this. As a self employed consultant, taxes are a nightmare, not just amount, but effort... and it's a game of finding deductions and avoiding add on taxes. I'm single too so I'm screwed lol
What he said: "Apple should move some of their industry here and pay taxes. It doesn't ruin the country right now, but it would help."
What everyone here thought he said: "Apple is a bunch of terrorists for not moving their industry here and paying taxes."
What everyone here thought he said: "Apple is a bunch of terrorists for not moving their industry here and paying taxes."
Actually, there is some truth in there. I'm heavily involved in the transportation field, and at a dinner meeting the CEO of Los Angeles Country Metro Transportation Authority said something along the lines of "Even if all the rail projects plopped into existence right now, we'd have no one to maintain them" then proceeds to explains how LA Metro should work with community colleges and trade schools to build a work force with the technical skills to maintain infrastructure long-term.
Having worked and/or seen first hand in places like Coil coating and manufacturing plants, most people in this generation aren't going to work factories. Almost all are 40+, and any young workers are simply the offspring of the older workers. Yes, Chinese labor is dirt cheap, but the US doesn't necessarily have the work force either.
Well, I would most certainly not, so that evens things out. Socialism is a crime against humanity!
Thank you for your insightful opinion, I shall consider your position carefully.
My bad, I suppose. I reread it and still took from it what I thought I read...but, "attack" is rather harsh...I "responded".
But, glad we agree.
I agree that more manufacturing jobs need to come back to the US. I'm actually seeking out stuff that is only made in the US. So clothes and such I'll pay more to get US made (usually boutique shops in SF). What is going to really change this (regardless of taxes and the like) is americans feeling confident in US made products. The car industry has made a wreck in confidence in US made products. I still won't buy a Ford or Chevy right now just based on my experience with US made cars versus my Honda. Make quality products and I'll buy them. Guarantee that they are made in good factories and by well paid workers that are accurate. If the workers are drunk on the job and not bolting crap onto the car correctly. Then I'm definitely not interested. America, give me confidence that your products are well made and we will buy!
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You clearly don't understand then. Tax evasion is illegal. It's called tax minimization. I sure hope you don't count any dependents or use any tax right offs, because according to you, that's tax evasion. Please.