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That's a good question, thanks for the thought. I'm mounting an older 23" cinema display (the hard edge aluminum one), not an iMac, so it's a lot less heavy but yeah....

1. Tried it fresh out of the box with monitor mounted, and adjusting tension up and down and every which way.
2. Spent more than 45 minutes trying to move it by hand with different tensions, etc. and checking to see if there is anything assembled incorrectly about it.
3. Saw your post and thought...well, I should try it again. Just mounted the VESA on again, mounted the monitor, and no luck -- it's still stuck in one position.

It's really weird! The arm looks great and is very solid. I bought the M8 thinking I'd eventually want to move up to a 27" display, and the 23" is a lot less weight than an iMac or 27", but still seems like something is wrong with it.
 
Do you think this will work with the Apple Converter? The weight is pushing it... and I don't understand what it means by "some" 27 inchers.
 
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Request for more info on 7500-HD please

First a little background in the hope you will be gentle :)

I'm currently a Windows user but I have siblings who already own Imacs (2006 white 24" and I think 2009 Aluminium). I am about to take the plunge into the world of Mac myself but I'm waiting for the Sandy Bridge Imacs/Lion before I buy. They have had these machines since 2006 but its only in the last few weeks that I have actually played about with them ... much to my shame. The only criticism I could make was with regard to the functionality of the stand. The aesthetic design is way better than any current Windows based all-in-one but in terms of flexibility, my 2004 Dell monitor with height, tilt and rotational functionality exposes the weakness of the current Imac stand. I've spent weeks researching what configuration Imac I desire along with applications, utilities etc and generally getting into the spirit of becoming a Mac owner. It's been fun ... I'm just that sad type of fool I guess. On Friday evening I thought it time to look into options for replacing the stand and came across this thread.

In my many years as a PC enthusiast (30+) I have never come across a forum discussion that was so informative, witty and with an un-paralleled attention to truth-finding. bobob, oldcorpse, negatv1 and all the others deserve much credit for all the research they have done. The poster at #238 made me laugh but he did have a point ... its a lot to get through in one go but well worth it.

And now to my request for more info if possible. For me its a slam dunk that I will buy the 7500 HD from Ergomart. I know that Provantage have the 7500-1500 for $100 less but I need the 6" vertical extender that Ergomart make easy to order. It also means that being desk mounted I can have 13.8" of the 18" of vertical travel as I often have to stand. Without that extender and based on the height of the Imac and the specs here I calculate only about 7.8" of vertical travel is available from the desktop to the bottom of the Imac. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I want to be wrong 'cos then I won't have to buy the extender. If I'm right, has anyone else purchased the 6" vertical extender and does it make the whole setup just a little too precarious/scary ? Secondly, Ergomart show 3 current tilting options here has anyone used the third HD tilter with the visible double spring? Mystikjoe posted pics in post 117 but it doesn't look like he has the HD tilter. I wondered if the HD tilter gives a smoother operation or If I only need the middle one with the single spring.

Many thanks in advance
 
Secondly, Ergomart show 3 current tilting options here has anyone used the third HD tilter with the visible double spring? Mystikjoe posted pics in post 117 but it doesn't look like he has the HD tilter. I wondered if the HD tilter gives a smoother operation or If I only need the middle one with the single spring.

Well, SB, I certainly do have experience with the tilters. I had the original Spring Tilter Head in the link you posted - designed for the 25lb - 33lb monitors - and the entire tilter saga has been the subject of numerous posts of mine in this thread. Basically, what they wrote in that link, is correct:

"If you plan to adjust the tilt frequently, opt for the stronger tilter head as it is will be easier to move up and down. If you plan to put the monitor at a fixed tilted position and rarely change it, then a the standard tilter head is usually a good choice."

So the Spring Tilter Head for monitors up to 33lb is fine if you rarely adjust the tilt of your iMac. It didn't work for me, because I tend to adjust my 27" iMac a lot depending on use (f.ex. Netflix movie streaming). The problem is that it's just not strong enough for constant adjustments - it tends to not hold its position, or barely hold. It was this that the good folks at Ergomart addressed through several prototypes which I tested. Ultimately they came up with the double spring HD Spring Tilter Head, of which I guess I have the first exemplar. I described this in post #276 on the previous page in this thread, and you can see the tilter in the second photo (click on the photo to enlarge) - they say in the link it's "only available in black" but I have mine in white.

The HD tilter works fine - it is much stronger and so it easily handles the iMac load with tons of adjustments. If anything, it may be a touch strong, so that you have to use your hand rather than just two fingers to adjust. But I'm completely satisfied, and it performs very well.

If you want to discuss any details about these arms, tilters and the like, call Ergomart (888 420 3200) and ask for Mike - he's the guy I dealt with the most, and he was in on the re-design of the tilter head, so he's got all the details you could ever want to ask about. He's super helpful and very nice. I have no other relationship with Ergomart, other than a satisfied customer.
 
7500 HD tilter with double spring

Thank you OldCorpse for the above info. Double Spring it is then. I'd much rather have it too strong than too weak. It's also good to know that it's possible to get it in the other colours, even if it may be a cost option. I'll definitely be contacting them with regard to the extender; I'm in the UK so I need to get it right before I order as returning it for any minor issue would be a pain. Luckily I have family and friends in the US who can accept the shipment for me and then post it on as "used" and thus avoid import taxes here :)

Thanks again for the speedy reply.
 
7500 "sticking" elbow joint alternative lubricant

OK. I'm pleased to report that the tilt joint's function can be dramatically improved through lubrication.

Note that this process basically requires taking the imac off of the arm.

Once you've removed the imac, remove (or completely loosen) the allen set screw that tensions the tilt bushing. After you do this, slide the head to one side or the other until you can see the brass (or similar) metal sleeve in the little gap between the arm and the head on the side. Tilt the head up and down (if there is any tension, take the allen screw out) until you see a gap in the sleeve. You then need to fiddle with it until the gap in the sleeve is at the top. Once you've done that, slide the head to one side, then the other and put a few drops of lubricant in. Tilt the head up and down a few times and then repeat the process once or twice. Reinstall the allen screw, and reinstall the imac.

I used some of my precious (and no longer available) Mobile 1 Synthetic Spray Lubricant for this. Given the odds that no one else is going to have any of this lying around, I'll suggest Amsoil Metal Protector as an alternative. An alternative that your local True Value hardware store is likely to stock is Tri-Flow. Note that WD-40 is NOT a lubricant and should NOT be used - while it has some lubricating properties, "WD" stands for "Water Displacement" and that is what it should be used for. PB Blaster and other similar pure penetrating oils are not optimal because they are not really designed to stick around. If you have a gun oil that you like, it should also work well.

(Can you tell that I've spend some time geeking out about this stuff? Screw you, Mobil, for discontinuing such an amazing product.)

Now, I should note that nothing will make the tilt knuckle perform perfectly other than a complete re-design involving either springs or hydraulics to take some of the load. Lubricating the joint prevents it from seizing and makes it easier to tilt the screen. It does not change the fact that it will always require much more force to tilt up than it will to tilt the screen down.

I include all of the above post for context. I have used an excellent lubricating product for many years called ZX1. It is technically not an oil but a metal treatment as described here. In my home I use it just as i would use 3-in-1 or any other consumer lubricant. The number of applications for it are astounding and it simply does what it says on the tin i.e. drastically reduce friction. The important thing to note is that it will not attract dust like many other lubricants. It can be applied as is but if applied at a temperature of around 60 degrees centigrade it will actually bond to steel for an even greater reduction in friction. The method for doing that is on their site here and requires nothing more than pouring the product into an old (clean) jam jar, placing the jar in a saucepan of water and boiling the water. Application can then be made with a clean paintbrush. It's a UK product and they will ship overseas.

It may be over-kill for lubricating the arm but its an excellent product for anyone looking for this type of thing and the benefits to car engines etc. cannot be over-stated. (sorry for going slightly OT there but it really is that good).
 
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Per the spec sheet, the official weight-carrying capacity of the Ergotron MX is up to 30lbs, while the weight of the 27" iMac is around 30.5lbs. That's a bit of a close call. Of course, there's also the 21". At 16.7" of horizontal movement, and 5" of vertical, it may not be enough for some (like me). This statement is somewhat disturbing, in its vagueness:

"Note: Motion range may be limited when using larger displays and/or by the position of the VESA hole pattern on the back of the display."

I kinda like to know what those limitations are, before I purchase something like this.

Just a one person data point: these reasons above are why I would not purchase this arm.

Others may have other reasons, so YMMV.
 
Per the spec sheet, the official weight-carrying capacity of the Ergotron MX is up to 30lbs, while the weight of the 27" iMac is around 30.5lbs. That's a bit of a close call.

I thought it's 30.5 with stand, without stand it's 26lbs or so? I'm considering this mount with a 27" because it's readily available in Canada for a decent price.
 
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I thought it's 30.5 with stand, without stand it's 26lbs or so? I'm considering this mount with a 27" because it's readily available in Canada for a decent price.

Well, no. This has been discussed extensively in this thread. Take a look at post 36 and subsequent ones. The weight of the iMac without the stand is 28lbs. Which would put it under the 30lbs limit.

However.

In order to affix the iMac to the arm, you need to add the special Apple VESA adapter and screws. That's additional weight that needs to be added to the 28lbs. And I'm not clear about the Ergotron MX, but for example in the Ergomart arms, they supply the VESA plate separately (depending on your VESA size), and the weight of that plate and screws again needs to be added to the total weight being handled.

So. That means we are again pushing closer toward the 30lbs. But if we are still slightly under the 30lbs, why is that a problem? See my post 46 in this thread, a discussion with the manufacturers of Ergomart arms, and which applies to all gas cylinder arms. Relevant quote:

"Now, if you mount the iMac, you remove the stand which is 2 lbs 10.2 oz, but you add the Apple VESA adapter, as well as a 100mm VESA adapter at the other end, which again gets you close to the initial weight of a hair over 30lbs. So as can be seen, this is right at the edge of the weight capacity of the 7601-14-2000. An Innovative rep pointed out that all gas cylinders lose potency over time and have to be tightened to keep functioning, and "if you are already at the edge of the capacity, you don't have any room to tighten". And the cylinder in the 7601-14-2000 is the largest cylinder on the market. Other posters have been in communication with Innovative, and Innovative does not recommend the 7601-14-2000 for the 27" iMac."

It doesn't mean that you can't use the Ergotron MX for the 27" iMac, as the weight bearing capacity is still within official specs - all I ever claimed, is that it's right at the edge of those specs. Given that, you have no margin, and possibly you may have shortened use, because as soon as the cylinder capacity diminishes (according to the engineers I spoke to, the cylinders lose potency at about 2% per year), you are right out. If the iMac were only 25lbs, you'd be able to afford a few years of capacity loss from the cylinder. Here, you have none. Potentially, that means your arm will start sagging after about a year.

Now, it may be that there is an additional margin built in to the spec of 30lbs (i.e., in reality the engineers put in a fail margin of a couple pounds more unofficially, to, say, 32lbs), but that's an unknown, and I personally don't want to take the chance, because there are always additional considerations. For example, I have 6 cable connectors hanging from my iMac, with one being pretty hefty (a stereo adapter to heavy duty audio cables) - those cables again add to the weight the arm has to carry. Or this scenario: I frequently hook up my iPTouch 4G to the iMac with a cable to synch and charge. The cable doesn't weigh much at all - but, because of the angle it puts a certain amount of mechanical tension on the arm, as the cable hangs attached to the iPT that's lying on the table. It all adds up. Specs are one thing, but in real life you find that there are a variety of use scenarios which may put unexpected strain on the system - so it's better not to be as close to the spec margin. Again, YMMV.
 
MX lacks height

I'm using an Ergotron MX http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001IWOBGI with my 27" iMac and it's really too short. It holds the monitor, but the bottom edge is only 3" or so off the desk at the maximum height of the arm. (No tape measure here; if you put a CD on the desk, the bottom edge of the 27" imac is even with the top of the hole on the CD.) It works OK, but I wouldn't buy another one.

I think it's a fundamental flaw in the MX, period, no matter what size monitor you've got. It just doesn't adjust very high.
 
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Here's my setup and I am too looking for a good support to move the 27" imac further away from me a little bit. Doesn't have to be a swivel arm. I have a window directly behind my desk and slightly to the left, and then another desk cluttered with stuff on it, and a wall to the right of me. What would be better, a regular mount or an arm? I don't care about different angles, just moving the iMac further away from me.
 
Shameless bump, but what would be the best arm for the 27" ACD? Obviously it's a lower weight than the iMac, so can I get away with a cheaper and less heavy duty arm?
 
Does the 7500HD-1500 come with the flex mount?

I've found the white version of the 7500HD-1500 here. I would like to know if it comes with the flex mount or do I have to order it separately?

Thanks.
 
I've found the white version of the 7500HD-1500 here. I would like to know if it comes with the flex mount or do I have to order it separately?

Thanks.

All of the 7500's should come standard with the FLEXmount - - which worked fine on my 7500 with an extra bolt through the center hole. Innovative also has a heavy duty mount that is an extra cost option. (Also, though I haven't been following the prices, $186 seems to be a pretty good deal for the HD.)
 
Thanks for the info bobob, I thought it was a good price also.

Now I just have to wait for the refresh, come on come on.
 
The past six months have been a very quiet time in the monitor arm business - - I suppose everyone who wanted an arm has purchased one and is now happily computing away in their ergonomic nest - - manufacturers certainly haven't been leaping into this limited market with wild abandon.

For anyone still new to the arm game, here is a well written though brief new article with the self-explanatory title: Why Is A Monitor Arm A Good Idea? Discover A More Flexible Way Of Working.

BTW, has anyone purchased a Levitate Monitor Arm, or even heard any news/reviews about them? They were supposed to go on sale in February 2011 after a very snazzy marketing launch last Fall, but I haven't seen hide nor hair of them yet. Their unique feature was dual springs in the upper and lower arm segments rather than the single spring or gas shock used in all other monitor arms. (100 quatloos to the first person to post a review of this new arm!)
 
Mantis 30

Has anyone purchased the Mantis 30? I am considering a kitchen install as well, over a counter which would face into the kitchen or into the dining area and would get pushed up and out of the way for heavy cooking situations. I spent today reading this entire thread and while I am moved by oldcorpse's very detailed analysis, I can't help but also be swayed by the sexiness of the mantis. I could live without twist and minimal tilt, but I'd really like to hear someone who owns one chime in on how they like it. What is unique for me is that the back of the iMac would be exposed most of the time, so the vesa adaptor plate solution, while very practical, is nowhere near as sexy as what monitors in motion have to offer.

Any/all advice is appreciated.

Here's a look at where this thing is going. I figured I'd mount to the wall where the pink gift bag is.
 
This thread did once take a brief detour to look at a funky homemade retrofitted iPad arm, and it seems that a Japanese company has now come up with a commercial iPad arm.
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The iPad Flexible Arm uses a swing-arm lamp style arm to mount your iPad in a horizontal or vertical position over your desk or bed. It costs 4980 yen (~$60US) from Thanko in Japan. Though probably of limited utility to most iPad owners, it does allow iMac arm users to imagine the possibilities if their machine weighed under two pounds rather than just under thirty.
 
Arm no longer needed, where to go with it?

Silly question that may or may not belong in this thread...Read this thread since it started and purchased one of the recommended arms for my 27" imac. I no longer need it, and am trying to figure out whether there is a decent forum for posting an arm for sale, or whether it's worth just ebaying it, etc.

Like I said, maybe this post belongs elsewhere, but I figured as many of the regulars posters in this thread are experts on these kinds of imac arms, I thought I would ask here first. Thanks :)
 
I just wanted to thank everybody in this thread for all of the hard work that went into creating the comprehensive reviews and evaluations. I am waiting on a new 27" iMac (SSD = July shipment), so I don't have anything to set up yet, but at least I was able to put together a solution for my needs.

Currently, I have a 24" monitor hooked to a Mini and mounted on a swing arm in such a way that I can use it effectively from bed or swing it over to use it from my desk. I want to be able to achieve the same thing with the iMac, but couldn't use my current swing arm (MA200MB) due to the 20 lb. capacity on that model.

Based on the advice here, I was able to limit my searching, and I ultimately decided on the 7500-HD-1500. It looks like it should perfectly replicate my current setup, and perhaps even give me another inch or two in extension. I was able to find it for about $185 (shipping bumped it to a little over $200), which seemed reasonable. It should arrive within the coming week, so right now I am intending to set it up with my current monitor (just to make sure everything works, and to see if I need additional brackets, extensions, or anything like that), and then install the iMac as soon as it arrives.
 
I no longer need it, and am trying to figure out whether there is a decent forum for posting an arm for sale

This is only post #2 so I can't PM you, but I'll take it off your hands if you want to sell (for my ice bath setup). I would imagine this isn't appropriate use of this thread, however, so PM me your info if you are interested.

So, to bring it back on topic to others, I'm ordering up a wall mount mantis 30 today for my kitchen setup. I'll post some photos of the install and my impressions of it. I will be using my aTrackt Go! keyboard/trackpad tray http://www.inertialdesign.com/ which is currently OOS but Mark should have some new ones for sale soon enough. I just can't resist the sexiness factor of the mantis, coupled with the sexiness and minimalist of the trackpad and aTrackt! all together in one fancy, clean, setup.

As an engineer, I wholeheartedly agree with OldCorpse's analysis. And I find myself laughing a bit because I'm a function over form type of guy. But, in this situation, I'm willing to overlook cable management (because I intend to only have one power cable and I'm thinking I can find some way to make that look nice enough, even if I have to use a cable tie or two) and I don't need tilt or extreme pivot/reach because my install location is fairly ideal. The clincher for me is elimination of the VESA adaptor which makes the back look unnecessarily cluttered, effectively ruining some of the beauty of the all-in-one iMac design. My installation location will have the back exposed most of the time, so I'm particularly sensitive to how that will look.

If anyone has any questions about the (painfully expensive) mantis 30, specifically with the wall mount bracket, feel free to post or PM and I'll try to give my analysis once I have the unit installed and functional.

Here is my short list so far:

1. Which joints are articulated?
2. Does the machead pivot (pan up/down) on it's own or does it rely on the iMac vertical plane adjustments for pivot?
3. Does the machead tilt (twist left/right) at all or is it fixed? Can the monitor be placed in portrait mode?
4. How easy/hard is it to level the wall mount?
5. How would someone handle cable management?
6. How does real world extension feel? Is there adequate clearance from the wall?
 
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As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, I'm interested in reading an actual review of the new Levitate Monitor Arm, which appears to be available to buy, but remains remarkably hidden from view in the real world - - no reviews, no user reports, no first hand YouTube videos.

Today though, I came across this similar looking product which was demonstrated at the 2008 (!) CeBit technology show. Here is a page showing a video and pictures of this arm from a company called Ace Hinge.

Ace-Hinge Arm.........................................Atdec Levitate Arm
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Though it looks similar to the Levitate design, the Ace Hinge arm can only support 8 kg (17.64 lbs) so it is not usable on the 27" iMac. The reason I mention it here is that I'm curious whether the design was licensed/copied by Atdec for their Levitate arm. Though on closer inspection, I begin to suspect that the Ace-Hinge design only includes one gas shock/spring compared to the unique dual spring design of the Levitate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmu0bCxalQM
 
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