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Update on post #46, living with the long arm.

My fellow long arm searchers, it is time to update a post I made almost exactly a year ago here. I am not going to re-hash all the backdrop to this, so read that post for more context - this post is just an update.

I have now lived with this arm since late February 2010, when I purchased my i7 27" iMac. In general, it has been an excellent performer with some minor issues, and one larger issue - the tilter mechanism that's been problematic all along.

The good people at Ergomart kept working on a solution all along. I'm not going to do a blow by blow account of the various prototypes, but there were several. Finally, a few weeks ago, Ergomart delivered a complete solution - a double spring tilter that is absolutely up to snuff and performs brilliantly.

I can now unhesitatingly recommend this arm with the new tilter mechanism. It is the only option on the market that I could find, for a *long* fully articulated arm that can carry a 27" iMac.

A few minor niggling issues - in the interest of full disclosure.

1)The action in moving the joint closest to the wall/table mount requires rather more force than I'd wish for. There is a screw that is supposed to regulate the friction, but it's basically useless - you can pull it out fully, and it'll make no difference to the stiffness. Ergomart recommends lubing the joint, but I've done so and it's made no difference. It's not a big deal, you just have to put a bit of force into moving that joint.

2)The second joint on the arm - between the tilter and the main unit attaching to the wall/table mount - in turn, has the opposite problem. It's a bit too loose. Again, there is a screw to regulate the friction, but while somewhat useful, it does not fully solve the issue. Basically, on occasion, if you push the computer, it will have a tendency to keep traveling after you've stopped pushing. Again, not a huge issue, and most of time it's fully controllable.

3)The cable management system needs special handling. The iMac's cables are hidden in latching cable raceway pieces with adhesive backing, which you attach to the two units in the arms externally. The aesthetics of this are actually surprisingly fine. If you are getting a white arm (as I did), make sure you get white raceways, otherwise you'll get the default black ones. Also very important - Ergomart has no way of knowing how many cables you are going to run from your iMac. As a default, they ship a pretty small raceway - you really can't fit many cables in there at all. I solved that by simply ordering a bigger raceway in white from cableorganizer.com - I got the 1.5 X .75 INCH ONE PIECE 1125 SERIES SURFACE RACEWAY (5ft)SRLC1125SR-5FT WT-White, and the total came to $10.49 + 11.04 for S&H = $21.53. Totally worth it.

Bottom line: This is an excellent solution. A bit pricey, but you get what you pay for. And the people at Ergomart, from whom I bought this unit are extremely helpful. In particular, Mike has extensive knowledge of the product and is involved in the engineering, so this is the go-to guy. I am very, very pleased with this purchase and how the unit has been performing.

Frankly, I cannot imagine working with a shorter arm. Here are some pictures - go ahead and click on the pictures for a bigger version, to see the details on the arm. As you can see, I need every inch in extension, as otherwise my chair won't fit next to the commode. Note the double spring tilter. The arm is mounted on a wall track which in turn is actually mounted to a wooden window divider (I tested it to make sure it'll hold the weight!). I can swing it around and sit on the couch to stream a movie from netflix, for example. Or I can push it up and into a corner and put on a pretty display (Brian Eno's 77 million paintings) if I want to just talk to someone without the computer obtruding on the desk. More pictures in another post.
 

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More pictures...

A few more. I can also completely move the table away, and push the computer back if we have guests for dinner. Alternatively, I can hide it behind the curtain - when it's dark outside, you really cannot see the computer at all (in daylight you see a dark outline). And finally, how the window looked before I installed the track, arm, and computer. The speakers in the corner are hooked up to a stereo hidden from view, and I can play music directly from the iMac through those speakers. All external hard drives, burners etc., are also hidden from view (on a special metal shelf close to the floor, behind the window curtain).
 

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Just finished the initial setup of mounting my 27" iMac to my bedroom wall.

I was debating on getting a MBP setup with an LCD TV as a video viewer, but after some research, came up with this solution which I am more than pleased with.

I used this arm to hold the weight of the 27" unit as well as swivel to lay flat as well as at an angle for in bed as well as desk viewing. I am more than pleased with it. It's a heavy duty, sturdy arm that does a nice job of moving the unit to many different positions. I also ordered and installed the VESA adapter for the 27" iMac.

Here are some initial pics. I will take more in the future once I get a nice desk to put in front of it. Notice how i Just have a makeshift nightstand to hold the keyboard and mouse.

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Flat against the wall for desk usage.

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Also flat against the wall from a view of my bed.

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Extended and angled for viewing in my bed.


If anyone is interested in the process and have questions, let me know. It was something I am very pleased with.
 
I thought about going lower, but weighed my options and am pleased with this height. Things to consider:

I have great site.
The screen is huge.
The chair and nightstand are lower than the desk and chair I will be putting in soon.

I have no problem with any facet of using it, and its a good height to have when swiveled for bedtime video watching.
 

Looks great! Excellent use of one of the low-cost non-radial arms for your situation.


(One suggestion: It would look very sleek if you could hide the power cord. Have you considered punching a small hole in the wall beside the mount and running the cord behind the wall and then punching another small exit hole beside the electrical outlet?)
 
Looks great! Excellent use of one of the low-cost non-radial arms for your situation.


(One suggestion: It would look very sleek if you could hide the power cord. Have you considered punching a small hole in the wall beside the mount and running the cord behind the wall and then punching another small exit hole beside the electrical outlet?)

Yea, I am going to hide the cord. It's just been a busy week with work, holidays, etc.
It will probably be the last thing I do, after putting a small computer desk in front of it.

Thanks for the input!
 
The obvious limitation here is the fact that you can't adjust the height. There's one way I can think of - not super elegant, but will work. What if instead of affixing it to the wall, you affixed it to a track of some kind? Even just two parallel rails (as long as you kept them perfectly parallel to each other). And you could make it work pretty well - if the iMac leans ever so slightly away from the wall (rather than being perfectly parallel) resting on the rails, gravity/friction would lock the stem in the track; then if you needed to change the height, all you'd have to do is lean it in, so that it's parallel, which would free the track and you could slide it up or down, then let go and it locks again.
 
The obvious limitation here is the fact that you can't adjust the height. There's one way I can think of - not super elegant, but will work. What if instead of affixing it to the wall, you affixed it to a track of some kind? Even just two parallel rails (as long as you kept them perfectly parallel to each other). And you could make it work pretty well - if the iMac leans ever so slightly away from the wall (rather than being perfectly parallel) resting on the rails, gravity/friction would lock the stem in the track; then if you needed to change the height, all you'd have to do is lean it in, so that it's parallel, which would free the track and you could slide it up or down, then let go and it locks again.

A good idea, but for me, the height is perfect whether sitting in a chair or when it's tilted at an angle, it's awesome to lay in bed and watch TV shows or movies on it.
 
For those new to the arm game, two new YouTube videos on attaching the Apple VESA Mount Adapter to the iMac popped up almost simultaneously at the end of 2010. Since many people have found this to be a bit of a challenging and stressful procedure (myself included), a good video tutorial may prove helpful and is worth reviewing before getting started.

The best one is this calm and detailed visual presentation of the procedure.

The second is rather confused and confusing and might be most useful as an example of how not to make an instructive YouTube video, but even then it provides a couple of useful points to consider.

Finally, although not from the past two weeks, here is a third YouTube video on the same procedure, this time in German. It is quite well made and provides a good alternative visual approach to the task.
 
One tip on affixing that Apple VESA Mount Adapter - don't do what I did... I accidentally slightly overtightened one screw, thus stripping it. Now I see no easy way to get this thing off again. And you may need to do so - as I just experienced. My SuperDrive was acting wonky, basically occasionally refusing to ingest DVD/CD discs. So I called AppleCare. They wanted me to bring it in - but that would mean not just taking it off the arm - easy - but also taking off the VESA mount and putting back the stand... which I now can't do, without some major surgery. Fortunately, AC agreed to send a technician to my home, and work on replacing the SuperDrive here. Hopefully now all I have to do is take it off the arm, which I can do easily.

Bottom line: those screws are quite delicate, so be extremely careful not to overtighten, or you may find yourself in a pickle.
 
where to buy one in the usa?

i appreciate all of this input. i just got the 27" i7 imac and want a desk mount arm. the innovative 7500-1500 looks great, a little pricey (seems to be in the $280 range) but no one's got it in stock. i already got hung up for a couple of weeks by one fly-by-night online store who advertised it as in stock for about $180 and then didn't have it. i need 360º rotation and maybe 20" extension and 10" vertical with some tilt function. also, the shelf it'll mount on is 3.5" think so i'd like a clamp or through mount that'll fit.

does anyone know where i can get something like this for hopefully under $200? i'd even go the $280 if i have to and i know it's a reputable dealer. either the 7500-1500 or something else will do.
 
i appreciate all of this input. i just got the 27" i7 imac and want a desk mount arm. the innovative 7500-1500 looks great, a little pricey (seems to be in the $280 range) but no one's got it in stock. i already got hung up for a couple of weeks by one fly-by-night online store who advertised it as in stock for about $180 and then didn't have it. i need 360º rotation and maybe 20" extension and 10" vertical with some tilt function. also, the shelf it'll mount on is 3.5" think so i'd like a clamp or through mount that'll fit.

does anyone know where i can get something like this for hopefully under $200? i'd even go the $280 if i have to and I know it's a reputable dealer. either the 7500-1500 or something else will do.

I don't have any current leads on the 7500-1500, the arm I have and am very satisfied with - - but if I were buying it again today, i would get the 7500-HD-1500 with the improved wrist joint (the arm's Achilles Heel, as it were).

However, if I were buying an arm today, I might also consider holding out for a look at the new Atdec Levitate that is scheduled to launch next month in February. It looks like a promising advance in arm design and has an MSRP of $299.

(Please excuse the self quote below, I didn't have time to type up all the links, etc.)


Well, well, well - - the arm market seems to be heating up at the moment - - no company has gone to this much trouble and expense to promote a new arm since the 27" iMac was launched last Fall.

Atdec has announced a February 2011 launch for their new Levitate monitor arm. The Levitate's reach is 22.44" and it supports a maximum payload of 28.6 lbs. (Do you think the manufacturer had the iMac market in mind? That payload is almost exactly the weight of the 27" iMac with the stand removed).

They're clearly aiming for the style conscious end of the market - - here's a rather fuzzy picture of the Levitate (there's far clearer ones from a multitude of angles in their website's image gallery at the bottom of the page):

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The design features independent springs in both the upper and lower parts of the arm for what the manufacturer claims will offer a "unique range of movement". All of the features are detailed in Altdec's very fancy Levitate-specific website www.levitatemonitorarm.com.

Retail price is projected to be $299, though some mounts appear to be optional:

The Levitate... will work with monitors up to 27 inches in size. It includes a fixed mount, which supports weights of up to 28.6 lbs, and a temporary clamp mount, supporting up to 19.8 lbs. The optional heavyweight desk clamp, which supports monitors weighing up to 28.6 lbs, will be available for an additional $59.

Here's Atdec's snazzy promotional video via YouTube - - dig that dramatic score!
 
I don't have any current leads on the 7500-1500, the arm I have and am very satisfied with - - but if I were buying it again today, i would get the 7500-HD-1500 with the improved wrist joint (the arm's Achilles Heel, as it were).

However, if I were buying an arm today, I might also consider holding out for a look at the new Atdec Levitate that is scheduled to launch next month in February. It looks like a promising advance in arm design and has an MSRP of $299.

(Please excuse the self quote below, I didn't have time to type up all the links, etc.)

well, thanks for that. still, seems no one has the 7500-HD in stock, it's all special order. the other one looks nice but i'm always wary of a new product announcement. you never know when they'll really be available till they actually are.

is anyone familiar with this: http://www.ergomart.com/HD_LCD_monitor_arms/lcd_monitor_arm_SAA2718details.htm

seems similar to the 7500, a little less $$$, and mad in the usa.

also this: http://www.beachaudio.com/Chief/Kcg...cg110b&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=Pricegrabber
 
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jackostrato, I'm not familiar with that arm, but I am familiar with Ergomart - that's where I bought my arm. I've been a very happy customer. Good vendor.

Re: beachaudio.com - I don't see a weight specification...
 
huh??

okay folks, here's a little mystery that you might wanna help me solve.

there is the innovative 7500 HD. it is here : http://www.lcdarms.com/products/LCD_Radial_Arms/7500-HD.html

and the one i mentioned, the ergomart SAA2718:
http://www.ergomart.com/HD_LCD_monitor_arms/lcd_monitor_arm_SAA2718details.htm

very similar looking..even identical! similar specs (except for a 10lb rating dif. in max weight). similar selling price. innovative gives a 10yr warrantee, ergomart 5 yr.

check out the online instructions:
7500- http://www.lcdarms.com/uploads/instructions/7500_instructions.pdf
saa2718- http://www.ergomart.com/Docs/SAA2718_instructions.pdf

the graphics and even most of the part #'s are the same.

also, look at some of the photos of the different mounts on each site. they look identical.

is ergomart making an exact copy or repackaging/rebranding the innovative 7500? if so, what does that say about their "made in usa" claim?

any opinions?
 
Well, Ergomart is the authorized reseller for Innovative, so of course they carry articulated arms from Innovative. And yes, they give them their own product number, instead of the Innovative one. These products are mostly identical, except that in some cases Ergomart will modify some elements of these arms for a client - the way they did for me, in designing and manufacturing a different tilter head. The reason for the differences in specs is that Ergomart goes by their own experience, and they typically have slightly more conservative specs (especially weight capacity). This is why I called Ergomart a "vendor" rather than manufacturer. Innovative has a bunch of resellers, and you'll see the same products under different badges all over the place. Ultimately, you still deal with the reseller and so it's important to choose well, because support capacity will differ. Ergomart has pretty sophisticated engineering capabilities, and excellent - in my experience - support.

As to "made in the U.S.A.", they're as made as they are by Innovative - I don't know more about that, but frankly, it's a bit of a moot point, because virtually no product anywhere is made 100% in any one country, as either parts or designs or whatever are outsourced from one country to another - so they define it by some arbitrary criterion (like "as long as it's assembled in the U.S., we call it Made in the U.S.A." - it's all semantic word games anyhow). Like a Toyota that's designed in Japan/California, financed by Japan, made with parts from all over the world, and assembled in the U.S., still called "Made in the U.S.A." - a bunch of propaganda, frankly.
 
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Here's a new 10 minute video review of two Monitors in Motion arm models - - the Mantis 20 (on a Dell 24" monitor) and the Mantis 30 (on a 27" iMac).

It features a clear overview of the installation procedure, including the specialized adapter Mantis supplies for the iMac (which allows you to skip buying Apple's VESA adapter).
 
Not to rain on the parade, but I found the information available about the Mantis arms highly unsatisfactory, and the arm itself unacceptably poor.

It is not clear from the drawings, description and photo gallery, just exactly which joints are articulated.

For example, the very last (tilter head) joint (nearest to the iMac). It seems that the joint is relying on the native iMac range of vertical plane adjustments, since it clamps directly to the iMac (bypassing a need for the Apple VESA adapter). Well, neat, except that this means exactly that - you are limited in the range, because the iMac's native range is pretty narrow. By contrast, using the Apple VESA adapter allows an arm to have a tilter that can extend that range to the full. Second, I cannot tell if the tilter allows for *rotation* of the iMac - if it does not, then it's straight up unacceptable, as not only does it mean you cannot make small horizontal plane adjustments on the fly (not to mention if you have a regular monitor, you cannot do landscape/portrait swaps), but more importantly it puts the entire burden to have a level monitor on the clamp/table surface... FAIL. Finally, I cannot tell if the tilter has a *swivel* capability either.

That's just for starters. I don't see any wall mount or pole mount options. I don't see any cable management solution - did you notice how the photo gallery shows the iMac without even the power cable plugged in?! Add a network cable, a USB or two, FW or audio cables and it'll look like a tangled rat's nest soon enough. And of course, for true long arm aficionados extension range is paltry.

It's pretty - that's about all. But functionally - for me - it's not even in the running. Of course, YMMV, and to each his/her own.
 
It's pretty - that's about all.

Except for the cable mismanagement you mentioned.

Then there's the cost...


(Still a nice clear video for those considering this model. If only there were similarly detailed non-manufacturer videos of all available arms, not to mention comparison videos between models. Perhaps videographer readers of this thread might be inspired to fill this gap.)
 
got the 7500-1500/hd but...

so i got it and installed it...no easy feat considering stress from the weight of the 27" imac on my shelf. i concocted some reinforcement with 3/4" ply and a couple of angle irons. still, the "middle" joint where the main arm meets the extended, horizontal arm is a little sticky and does not pivot so easily. i loosened the allen screw as much as possible but still no dice. any advice?

btw, any idea how to tell if it's the 1500 or newer hd? is there really a difference?
 
Humanscale M8 owners -- any tricks to this thing?

Can anyone who actually has a Humanscale M8 chime in on this....?

I just got one, took it out of the box and it assembled easily (basically just put the arm into the clamp stand).

But...for the life of me I can't get it to move. The whole arm rotates 180 degrees clockwise/counter clock wise, but no tilt on the monitor head, and no up or down motion at all.

It's useless as it is, unless I wanted something to just move my monitor left or right. This can't be correct and my gut tells me something is wrong with it, e.g. it is defective or was put together wrong at the factory.

I keep thinking there is some "lock" somewhere that keeps it from moving, but trying every tension adjustment and even taking out the tension screws to see if there is something stuck "inside" didn't work.

I called Humanscale and they are sending a tech out to look at in about a week, but geez...it took weeks to get this thing and now it's just sitting there mocking me.

Can anyone with an M8 confirm if they had a similar experience setting it up or not? I'd appreciate it!
 
Have you mounted your iMac on the arm?

When I got my 7500 I thought it was broken too. Even though I tried pressing down on the arm as if the computer was there, I couldn't get it to budge up and down until I put the iMac on. It's 30 pound weight acts as a counterbalance to the incredibly strong spring/gas shock.
 
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