Best iPhone X Hands on yet

[Geert76]

Exactly. Its been confirmed in a few places that you don't need to wait for FaceID to do its thing as its so quick, you just swipe up when you pick your phone up.

just check some videos of people who were at the hands on after the Keynote.

You will find some videos where its obvious not that fast as some people assume here. But then again, if you love the iPhone X you will do almost anything to only look for the positive things

 

[ascender]

just check some videos of people who were at the hands on after the Keynote.

You will find some videos where its obvious not that fast as some people assume here. But then again, if you love the iPhone X you will do almost anything to only look for the positive things

I'll wait until some respected tech journalists get review units to be honest. Those ones who've spoken about it already have said they didn't get a chance to try FaceID in the hands-on area and are just reporting back what they've been told by people who've been using the phones for a while.

 

[Geert76]

I'll wait until some respected tech journalists get review units to be honest. Those ones who've spoken about it already have said they didn't get a chance to try FaceID in the hands-on area and are just reporting back what they've been told by people who've been using the phones for a while.

there are videos of tech journalist at the hands on, after the Keynote with Apple employees standing next to them to demonstrate FaceID, far from 100% succes first FaceID tries

 

[ascender]

there are videos of tech journalist at the hands on, after the Keynote with Apple employees standing next to them to demonstrate FaceID, far from 100% succes first FaceID tries

I'm sure there are, but for me life's too short to wade through most of them as the bar seems to be set very low these days for people who claim to be a tech journalist.

Looking back at the start of this thread, one of the first posts says... "1.) Face ID is much faster than I thought it would be. Almost instantaneous when looking at that female." But then there's cases where its not working so who knows.

Like I said, I'm just going to wait until people actually get review units and use them in the real world under real conditions. I'm sure it will quickly become apparent as to whether its the BEST THING EVAH or an ALMIGHTY FAIL and APPLE ARE DOOMED.

 

[matrix07]

I just wonder if Reachabitly works in iPhone X. I know it doesn't have Touch ID to double tap but what if we access it through Assistive Touch?
The phone is long after all.
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there are videos of tech journalist at the hands on, after the Keynote with Apple employees standing next to them to demonstrate FaceID, far from 100% succes first FaceID tries

Could you show me this, since John Gruber had noted that Face ID works in demo unit?

 

[xsimplyjosh]

Exactly. Its been confirmed in a few places that you don't need to wait for FaceID to do its thing as its so quick, you just swipe up when you pick your phone up.

Will be nice. 99.9% of the time I'm the one with my phone so I'm not worried about security issues.

I would play the FaceID thing when I do get one eventually just to see how it's like. If it's faster than TouchID I will definitely jump on it. But I know it's gonna take some time [like with anything new]
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I just wonder if Reachabitly works in iPhone X. I know it doesn't have Touch ID to double tap but what if we access it through Assistive Touch?
The phone is long after all.
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Could you show me this, since John Gruber had noted that Face ID works in demo unit?

Would reachability be necessary? Given the phone is 1.5cm smaller top to bottom over the 8Plus, you should find it easier to tap the top left/right.

 

[Geert76]

Could you show me this, since John Gruber had noted that Face ID works in demo unit?

I 'youtubed' myself crazy the last 5 or 6 days, watching several videos of people who were there at the hands on. Just Google them.

I certainly believe Gruber had noted that FaceID works in demo unit. But I always like to see more actual real live experiences, especially when it comes to an € 1359 phone

 

[matrix07]

Would reachability be necessary? Given the phone is 1.5cm smaller top to bottom over the 8Plus, you should find it easier to tap the top left/right.

It's very necessary for me and I'm using 6s (not a plus model).
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I 'youtubed' myself crazy the last 5 or 6 days, watching several videos of people who were there at the hands on. Just Google them.

I certainly believe Gruber had noted that FaceID works in demo unit. But I always like to see more actual real live experiences, especially when it comes to an € 1359 phone

In essence, you want us just to believe your words? Pass.

 

[Geert76]

In essence, you want us just to believe your words? Pass.

yeah, you are right, my mission here is to make all people believe my words and not first several watching hands on videos, where FaceID is being demonstrated

 

[matrix07]

yeah, you are right, my mission here is to make all people believe my words and not first several watching hands on videos, where FaceID is being demonstrated

Give me a video you're talking about or be gone. Talk is cheap and you're wasting my time.

 

[Ries]

Give me a video you're talking about or be gone. Talk is cheap and you're wasting my time.

It took you longer to write that post, than me finding a video on youtube with a faceid demo being flaky.

 

[matrix07]

It took you longer to write that post, than me finding a video on youtube with a faceid demo being flaky.

It's not my job to find what he claimed.

He should find it himself instead of writing that long post above. If he can't find it or too lazy just don't reply.

 

[GuruZac]

One major thing I thought about after watching that video-how can any one claim Apple is somehow falling behind? One can argue tirelessly about iOS vs Android software flexibility, but when it comes to hardware, the iPhone X is a major step forward. For the time being, I am very happy with my iPhone 7 Plus, but I’m looking forward to upgrading next year to whatever Apple brings next.

 

[Gudi]

It's natural, a lot of people are afraid of change.

I’m afraid of paying $999 (€1,149).
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It took you longer to write that post, than me finding a video on youtube with a faceid demo being flaky.

So the very first try after just learning a new face “failed”? Gimme a break!

 

[quagmire]

there are videos of tech journalist at the hands on, after the Keynote with Apple employees standing next to them to demonstrate FaceID, far from 100% succes first FaceID tries

Touch ID isn't 100% first try success for me.

Let's stop pretending Touch ID is perfect. I understand the concern that FaceID may not be as reliable as Touch ID, but let's not kid ourselves that Touch ID can't mess up too.

 

[Geert76]

just don't reply.

I followed your advice, only after you being rude and unfriendly.

And still, I wish all the best in life! (you're on my ignore list, so don't bother)
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Touch ID isn't 100% first try success for me.

Let's stop pretending Touch ID is perfect. I understand the concern that FaceID may not be as reliable as Touch ID, but let's not kid ourselves that Touch ID can't mess up too.

true.
TouchID also came from a long way as how perfectly fine its working right now. But I have a strong feeling that the technology behind FaceID is much more complex than a simple fingerprint, and therefore it will take quite some time to iron the flaws out.

 

[ascender]

What's weird in that video a few posts above is that the setup of FaceID seemed to complete successfully. Because when the guy was trying to do the setup process whilst also videoing it, he seemed to be fumbling around a bit and I thought the scanning/mapping process would have failed.

But yeah, its a video showing it failing. To be fair, TouchID doesn't work 100% of the time. Anecdotal evidence and second hand info reported by the tech journalists has been extremely positive, so I'll wait and see what happens. Until review units are out and people have a decent amount of time with them, I'm not making a judgement either way.

One big potential improvement over TouchID for me is when using the phone outdoors in poor weather, particularly rain or snow. TouchID (and the home button/passcode) can be a pain in the a$$ - whether its in a waterproof case or not and whether wearing gloves with compatible fingertips or not - if FaceID works reliably for me in those circumstances its worth the money.

 

[quagmire]

true.
TouchID also came from a long way as how perfectly fine its working right now. But I have a strong feeling that the technology behind FaceID is much more complex than a simple fingerprint, and therefore it will take quite some time to iron the flaws out.

My 6 Plus was my first iPhone with Touch ID. I loved it as soon as I first used it. Now with my 7 Plus and the 2nd gen sensor it is incredibly faster. So I am a huge fan of Touch ID so much that I was getting annoyed at the inconvenience of unlocking my iPad Air with only the pass code( first world problems right?). Then was glad to gain it when I bought the 10.5" iPad Pro.

I am sure there will be kinks to work out with FaceID. I am sure Apple will improve it in time. I'm just tired of the panic over it that people ignore the fact that Touch ID still can fail on the first try. Happens a couple of times to me with my 7 Plus and have to adjust my finger to get it to work. If Face ID can at least match the current level of Touch ID( even at maybe 1st gen Touch ID speeds), I will be happy with it.

 

[Ries]

I’m afraid of paying $999 (€1,149).
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So the very first try after just learning a new face “failed”? Gimme a break!

Why would it matter that it's the first try. If it needed more, then Apple should ask to scan the face more times during setup, they don't. If it can't reconize a face it just scanned twice, being 100% identical to what it just scanned, imagine how well it works when you put on makeup, move to different lighting and change your appreance slightly the next day. The Apple guy trying to find the right angle and distance to unlock it says heaps.

 

[Yankee512]

One major thing I thought about after watching that video-how can any one claim Apple is somehow falling behind? One can argue tirelessly about iOS vs Android software flexibility, but when it comes to hardware, the iPhone X is a major step forward. For the time being, I am very happy with my iPhone 7 Plus, but I’m looking forward to upgrading next year to whatever Apple brings next.

Umm...they have been behind for years. They just added a bunch of features that Android has had for at least 3-4 years.

 

[citivolus]

I still think this is a crazy complaint. There is only one step. Swiping up. You are going to look at your screen anyway. So it’s a swipe instead of a press.

Not always. My phone is in my cradle while driving. iPhone dings with new message arrival. I ask Siri to read my new message. It says I have to unlock my iPhone first. I keep my eyes on the road and place my finger on Touch ID and then Siri reads me my message. All issues of using your iPhone while driving aside, it's an issue for which we will need to adapt.

 

[Gudi]

Why would it matter that it's the first try. If it needed more, then Apple should ask to scan the face more times during setup, they don't.

That’s not how it works. Neural networks are a kind of software which emulates how brain cells work. Feed it with thousands of examples and it will learn to recognize similar patterns better and better. Just like a human witness won’t recognize someone he’s seen only once or twice with absolute certainty.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_neural_network

If it can't reconize a face it just scanned twice, being 100% identical to what it just scanned, imagine how well it works when you put on makeup, move to different lighting and change your appreance slightly the next day.

Makeup can’t fool an infrared camera. The iPhone X can recognize your face even in darkness, because it emits it’s own grid of thousands of infrared dots. Different lightning won’t have any effect.

The Apple guy trying to find the right angle and distance to unlock it says heaps.

There is no right angle or distance, there’s just the need for learning the shape of all your facial expressions. This learning needs time and it was actually the same with TouchID. When Apple introduced TouchID with the iPhone 5s they told us on stage, it will get better the more you use it.

 

[dk001]

It's not my job to find what he claimed.

He should find it himself instead of writing that long post above. If he can't find it or too lazy just don't reply.

The simplicity in finding some of these

No, you would rather spend a lot more time playing the " you must show me" game for simple stuff.
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One major thing I thought about after watching that video-how can any one claim Apple is somehow falling behind? One can argue tirelessly about iOS vs Android software flexibility, but when it comes to hardware, the iPhone X is a major step forward. For the time being, I am very happy with my iPhone 7 Plus, but I’m looking forward to upgrading next year to whatever Apple brings next.

Curious. Why do you feel it is a major step forward? Forward and beyond Android or major step forward from previous version of the iPhone?

 

[Geert76]

The simplicity in finding some of these

No, you would rather spend a lot more time playing the " you must show me" game for simple stuff.
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These same people (the you-must-show-me-now!) usually think the world is resolving around them.
''They want it now'', and ''you must do it for me''

I meet them every day in my working environment. After a few years working with these kind of people, nowadyas I am simply able to laugh a bit about them.

 

[Ralfi]

there are videos of tech journalist at the hands on, after the Keynote with Apple employees standing next to them to demonstrate FaceID, far from 100% succes first FaceID tries

Can you provide footage of these?

I've seen many hands-on videos & can't recall a failure.