Most cinema is shot at 24 fps for artistic reasons, despite the fact any frame rate is possible.
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Biggest ATV4 disappointment. No 1080p24
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so what speed are iTunes fims 1080 shot at? is that down to when the film is made or how its compressed and then uploaded to iTunes?
This reply proves you are just trying to derail the thread. Storage space is not a consideration in Hollywod films.
This guy is the most stubborn idiot i've seen. Anyone reading this thread must be cringing for him. Amazing.
Really? That's the first I heard of. It's not as crucial as wasting celluloid but any good producers will think of everything. And it's not just how many HDDs you need to handle it but the time and speed between transfer etc.
They're all shot at 24fps. I'm yet to confirm if Apple re-encode them at 25 or 30, but I doubt they do, probably keep the native fps in the codec and let the device they play on do the 3:2 pull down at 50hz or 60hz. So to answer the very original question I would get all iTunes content could be played at 24hz on a compatible device/TV.
What amazing is there is someone who think 24p is holy.
Please give us, all films are shot at 24fps for aesthetic reasons, everyone knows this, everyone in this thread knows this, the internet knows this, all cited resources know this, you're just trying to be a silly troll.
Even if for some bizarre reason you still disagreed that every hollywood film and cinematic TV show shouldn't be shot at 24fps (or 48fps in the case of "hobbits" (The Hobbit)) its still fact that the 4th Gen Apple TV bizarrely wont output at a refresh rate that supports this, which is disappointing for many, end of.
Well, when every single film in my collection is 24fps and all my favourite TV shows, it sort of is and the latest £160 device in 2015 should be able to output at a refresh rate that doesn't require 3:2 pulldown. Simple.
No, it's not. I live in PAL country and I shot in 25p and 50p everyday and they are just fine. 50p are better even.
No one disputed that. That's why I ask about iTunes movie speed.
Are you sure all your encoded files are 24p?
Its 24fps, as i've just written above - even if Apple did re-encode to 25fps or 30fps and did the 3:2 pull down in the codec they're still all shot at 24fps, but they wouldn't, it makes no sense when every single TV ever released can do 3:2 pull down for 50hz or 60hz itself.
I also live in a PAL country and all movies are still 24fps, even UK based indie movies, again for "the cinematic effect" most TV shows are native 25fps, you're shooting TV shows mate...well actually your blatantly shooting nothing of any commercial value and are probably a student who thinks he's knows what he's going on about, cannot admit when he's wrong and fails to acknowledge when he's looking a bit daft on the internet.
Huh? If they re-encode all the films to 30p, then whatever speed the film was shot at are gone and don't matter anymore because the ones coming to you are 30p. How they shot originally is irrelevant.
Then stuttering would be hard encoded into the film, because regardless 24 doesn't evenly go in 30...have you bothered to read about 3:2 pulldown at all?
You are one of the most amazing people I think i've ever met on the internet, and thats saying something. Thanks for getting this thread deleted anyway.
Reading comprehension, hello?
Yes. Exactly it already got 3:2 pull down. So It doesn't matter anymore about 24p. It's gone.
To my knowledge if you re-encode a movie the original formatting will be destroyed.
I also think the reason movies are shot in the current format in today time is because of space/storage concerns, compatiblity with some older theaters, a certain look or message to be portrayed and people are just used to it for many years so they are reluctant to change. Let's face it, people do not like change. If someone has been watching a movie at one frame rate their entire life and see something significantly higher than what they were used to seeing then it's going to look insanely weird and they'd reject it.
I am no pro in this matter, this is just my opinion based on the little I know about the topic. What I've underlined I think is the most important factors when it comes down to filming a movie.
I also think the reason movies are shot in the current format in today time is because of space/storage concerns, compatiblity with some older theaters, a certain look or message to be portrayed and people are just used to it for many years so they are reluctant to change. Let's face it, people do not like change. If someone has been watching a movie at one frame rate their entire life and see something significantly higher than what they were used to seeing then it's going to look insanely weird and they'd reject it.
I am no pro in this matter, this is just my opinion based on the little I know about the topic. What I've underlined I think is the most important factors when it comes down to filming a movie.
Any idea what devices do support Netflix @ 24fps? Just tried my PS4 and it doesn't
I'd be interested in buying one if it existed...
So is this something that a given app can solve at some point?
Is there a way to force the correct output if an App wants to?
Or are stuck with no 24p output forever on this device?
I'm definitely out if that's the case. Unbelievably bad decision on Apple's part.
Is there a way to force the correct output if an App wants to?
Or are stuck with no 24p output forever on this device?
I'm definitely out if that's the case. Unbelievably bad decision on Apple's part.
3:2 invokes stuttering and jerkiness, which is the whole reason high end movie equipment does 1080p24, have you not learnt anything from this thread.
I'm starting to think you're just trolling now, no one can be quite as wrong as you by mistake.
I think it would need to be built into tvOS. I don't *think* there's any reason why the hardware couldn't do it. OS X has no problems at all and its not processor intensive or anything. I'm going to raise a Radar about it with Apple and see what happens.
Indeed.
Huh?
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JJ Abrams
PS. Not that it matters, but most digital movie cameras are shooting 1080p24 so they don't look like a commercial.
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