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Not necessarily, important point, I believe they both have remote wipe. If you have sensitive files on both the iPhone and Blackberry, if the Blackberry is stolen the removable storage can be taken out quickly and easily for examination, with the iPhone it is very very very difficult to impossible to remove and examine and will more than definitely be wiped, unlike the blackberry once the removable storage is out of the device it cannot be wiped. Hence shows the iPhone is actually better.


You never picked up on that citi. Interested what you think.

That is true about the removable storage, there may be exposure to documents saved on the ext. drive, but there is a gig of memory on the phone which should be used for that. IMO the only thing that should be on the card are music and video. Security issue aside, if your phone dies or you grabbed media from a friend, you can just put the card in the phone and your back up and running. If your iphone dies, you are sol on any media that wasn't on your computer.
 
Nice, you found a page that lists 67 applications. Where are the hundreds (thousands) of others?

Good grief. Too lazy to look?

List of places to get BB apps

As they note, Handango has over 3,000 Blackberry apps... although I think without duplicate entries, it's more like 1,100. Still pretty good.

Google apps usually seem to hit the Blackberries first. I think Google Maps came out for before other phones, and even the latest Voice Search was on RIMs back in July.

Unlike the iPhone, RIM doesn't control what you put on. For me, a plus. For my wife, it wouldn't matter.

Cheers.
 
That is true about the removable storage, there may be exposure to documents saved on the ext. drive, but there is a gig of memory on the phone which should be used for that. IMO the only thing that should be on the card are music and video.
I'd suggest photos go on the card, too. Once the internal memory is filled, the BlackBerry will start removing old emails from the Inbox (to free up space), which can really confuse users. One of our VPs filled up his BBs internal memory (with camera pictures) to the point his inbox would only hold a few messages at a time.

I'd also be very surprised if there wasn't a policy on BlackBerry Enterprise Servers that could allow administrators to completely disable the removable storage, or prevent certain types of information from being stored on it, when used in a security-conscious environment.


Good grief. Too lazy to look?

List of places to get BB apps
No, Ken, not too lazy. Just making a point. Thanks for your help.
 
a co-workers son works at Best Buy and they just received a shipment of Storms I guess. He took a pic of the phones being locked up for release tomorrow on his iPhone. I know of only one guy in my office who is taking the day off to be the first one in line for the Storm :eek: he keeps saying the thing is going to destroy the iPhone... :rolleyes:
 
No, Ken, not too lazy. Just making a point. Thanks for your help.

It's Kevin, and you're welcome.

Some people, if I get your point, prefer to be led by the hand and have a single point of download. Very similiar to how Verizon allows users to download BREW apps for their dumbphones only from a set of approved programs.

Others like to have more choice, price competition even on the same app, and no censorship for sexual, or worse, corporate reasons.
 
hope he's not your boss :p

nope he's a PITA. All he's been doing the past 2 weeks is saying "When the STORM comes its going to DESTROY everything in its way dood" :rolleyes: and he has a few friends in the IT hardware area that also are Apple haters and all they can do is make fun of the iPhone and how the STORM is going to totally destroy the iPhone's market share where the iPhone will be a thing of the past no one wants. they really think they are going to get a rise out of me... how immature...
 
Blackberry server fees: not unless you need access to those features, including true push. And if you do, it's not much more than the monthly MobileMe equivalent cost.

Lots of software updates: Apple needs to pump those out, since the iPhone OS is pretty new and unfinished.

Google Maps / YouTube / etc: nice in a list, but not unique at all

Builtin storage: personal taste. Some prefer being able to instantly swap memory and/or upgrade the amount. (ditto battery)

Hardware accelerated graphics: darn near every phone has this. For instance, OpenGL benchmarks show the Motorola RIZR Z8 and the Nokia N95 equal to, or better, than the iPhone.

The Mobile Me comment is not necessarily true. You can purchase Mobile Me just about anywhere for less than retail price. I paid $55 for mine. Look on eBay. You can't avoid the BB fees.
 
a co-workers son works at Best Buy and they just received a shipment of Storms I guess. He took a pic of the phones being locked up for release tomorrow on his iPhone. I know of only one guy in my office who is taking the day off to be the first one in line for the Storm :eek: he keeps saying the thing is going to destroy the iPhone... :rolleyes:

I will pull a "Ballmer" and say that yes, the Storm will probably sell a lot of units.

The G1 did for T-Mobile in the USA since AT&T is in NO WAY going to give up iPhone exclusivity here and T-Mobile has to reply with some sort of competition. Verizon and RIM are just doing the same.
 
Hardware accelerated graphics: darn near every phone has this. For instance, OpenGL benchmarks show the Motorola RIZR Z8 and the Nokia N95 equal to, or better, than the iPhone.

From Engadget:

due to the fact the phone has no hardware acceleration for graphics.

Clearly shows you dont know what you are talking about.
 
It's Kevin, and you're welcome.
For as many posts as we've exchanged debating things, I'm embarrassed to have gotten your name wrong! My apologies! :eek:

Some people, if I get your point, prefer to be led by the hand and have a single point of download. Very similiar to how Verizon allows users to download BREW apps for their dumbphones only from a set of approved programs.
I was responding to citi's statement that the BlackBerry has a lot of programs already written for it by making the point that since the majority of BlackBerry users will never know those programs are out there, ... what's the point? They're not power-users like us. Is your wife going to google for a blog that lists 7+ different BlackBerry "app depots" and then spend 5 minutes on each one, getting used to how navigate/search that particular site, looking to see which unique applications are listed there? No.

Others like to have more choice, price competition even on the same app, and no censorship for sexual, or worse, corporate reasons.
I agree with you about the censorship. I'm very interested in seeing how Google does with their Android App Store. Sounds like it's the best of the iPhone AppStore + more.
 
You can't avoid the BB fees.
What are you talking about? There are no "Blackberry fees." Verizon has two data plans, one is $30 and the other is $45. The difference between them is that the $45 one allows you to use BES, and the $30 one doesn't. If you're using BES, you're probably not even paying the bill for the phone anyway. The $30 plan still includes e-mail, and is the same price as AT&T's iPhone data plan. I have no idea where you're getting your information, but it's wrong.
 
BB plans used to be $10/month more expensive than data plans for other devices. Maybe that's what he's referring to?
 
What are you talking about? There are no "Blackberry fees." Verizon has two data plans, one is $30 and the other is $45. The difference between them is that the $45 one allows you to use BES, and the $30 one doesn't. If you're using BES, you're probably not even paying the bill for the phone anyway. The $30 plan still includes e-mail, and is the same price as AT&T's iPhone data plan. I have no idea where you're getting your information, but it's wrong.

You misunderstood what I was saying. The other poster mentioned that the cost of Mobile Me is close to what it costs for BES/BIS and I am saying that is not necessarily true. You can purchase a Mobile Me subscription for less than the retail price while you can't negotiate a BB plan.

Understand now?

By the way, for consumers who want MS Exchange (like myself), we had no choice but to pay the extra fee for BES. That is the main reason I refuse to purchase the BB Bold.

BIS is garbage. One-way sync and 10 to 15 minute intervals doesn't cut it (yes, I know gMail and Yahoo are push).
 
Thats a fair comment to someone who is relatively tech literate, the majority of people arent, thats where the iPhone trounces the Blackberry. It makes that sort of functionality accessible to bobby basic the technophobe.
But only if that basic technophobe knows how to use it. My mother got an iPhone recently. She liked her original iPod touch, needed a new phone, and was already with ATT, so it was a no brainer. She knew there were apps and games to get for the thing, but I had many a long phone call with her to explain how to get them, sync them with her computer, and so on. Having an App Store available on the handset is one thing. The people using the thing need the know-how to make that work to be worth it. She is fairly tech savy, but just didn't understand it at first.

The way I see it, its a wash with apps with these phones. There are a ton available for both platforms. Yes, it might be a slight bit harder to find them for the BB, but the people that KNOW they want apps almost certainly know where to get them. My mom, for example had no NEED for apps. And now, even after understanding how to use the App Store on her iPhone, all she has are Sudoku and Mah-Jong games basically.

And, you can count me in as someone who is very seriously considering this phone. I really like the iPhone, but where I live, and for what I need a phone to do, I just think the Storm might fit the bill better. For example....

3G - Here in Omaha, we have EVDO Rev-A, and it is VERY fast. We do NOT have ATT 3G. They say its coming soon. They've also been saying that since late 2007.

Tethering - I would use this all the time. I'm sure it will be coming to the iPhone. But, as noted above, without 3G, that is all but useless. Out of the box, I would have tethering available on a fast 3G network here.

BES - We use BES at my company, so this phone will just drop right in. I like that. I'm sure I could get Exchange on an iPhone working, but I like the peace of mind that my IT department WILL help me if there are issues. My IT department is very Apple friendly, but with phones, its BB or your out of luck for support. Sucks, but that's their thing.

Battery - A removable battery is basically a MUST for me. The way I travel and use my phones and devices, I'm not always near a place where I can charge. I HAVE to be able to swap to a fresh battery if the need arises.

No Wifi - Don't care. I think I can count on one hand the times in the last year that I have been outside of the 3G coverage here with VZW. Sure, having wifi would be a nice addition, I'm not saying I wouldn't like having it. But, its a non-issue for me that it isn't there.

Media - I'm would be able to consolidate my iPod Classic and phone into one device with this. During the course of a normal day, 95% of my iPod use is with podcasts. They will play just fine on this. I can keep my Classic loaded up with its Apple Lossless music for road trips and what not, but won't need it daily.

I have a couple friends with iPhones/Touch. I really like the device, and will easily concede that it's one of the best mobile phones ever. But, that doesn't mean that it is the best option for EVERYONE. I would love one. But those examples I just gave are kind of deal breakers for me.
 

Sorry, but BGR seems to have totally made up their statement that Verizon and Vodafone made RIM leave out WiFi. From BGR's Q&A session:

Q: Are you positive that Verizon/Vodafone made RIM remove Wi-Fi at its request?A. Yes, 100% positive. Verizon’s official statement was something along the lines of, “We’re always looking at additional features and would love to have future devices [BlackBerrys] with Wi-Fi.” If it is any consilation (sic), RIM told us that from the start there was never a Storm with Wi-Fi planned. It was axed from the getgo.

So Verizon simply said they'd like it in the future. RIM said it was never planned to be in there at all. Nothing says that Verizon made them leave it out.

Today's "reporters" are not only technically ignorant, but also constantly make up "facts", from stuff like this, to breathless comments that "flash / slingbox / TomTom is already done!".
 
From Engadget: Quote: due to the fact the phone has no hardware acceleration for graphics.
Clearly shows you dont know what you are talking about.

More likely that Engadget doesn't. I'm not known for giving the iPhone a break, but I like arguing with facts, not with what pseudo-techie sites say.

Yes, I know some sites say there's no GPU. That there's just an FPU. However, other sites (such as Wikipedia) claim there to be both a small tiling GPU and a small vertex GPU on the CPU die.

Now, it happens that I'm a damned good researcher. And I've been an engineer for decades, with enormous graphics experience. Including helping to design some of the very first personal GPUs back in the 80s. So I figured I'd dig a little.

To me (and many others), the final evidence that the iPhone does indeed contain both those things I mentioned above, comes with the results of OpenGL phone comparison tests... which show the iPhone giving almost exactly the same results as other phones equipped with those types of acceleration processors. In fact, it would be impossible to get the results without them.

For more info, go here and then compare against say, the Motorola RIZR Z8 and Nokia N95, both of which are known to use the same GPU sets.
 
You misunderstood what I was saying. The other poster mentioned that the cost of Mobile Me is close to what it costs for BES/BIS and I am saying that is not necessarily true. You can purchase a Mobile Me subscription for less than the retail price while you can't negotiate a BB plan.

Understand now?
I guess I understand what you're saying, but I still fail to see how it has to do with anything. Whether you get MobileMe or not, you're still paying for the $30/month data plan. MobileMe is a totally separate charge.
 
stopped into the mall just a few mins ago and saw 4 people waiting in line for the Storm. i wanted to walk in to see it but i was in a rush. i might stop by another VZW store after work for the heck of it. it sure was no iPhone line that's for sure.

iphone killer huh. will destroy the iphone huh. will make the iphone look like a freakin' dinosaur (exact words from a VZW CSR)... i'm curious to see how it plays out.
 
I guess I understand what you're saying, but I still fail to see how it has to do with anything. Whether you get MobileMe or not, you're still paying for the $30/month data plan. MobileMe is a totally separate charge.

You pay $30 without MS Exchange on the Blackberry and $45 for BES to have Exchange. On the iPhone that same $30 gives you Exchange.

Now, the argument was that the price of Mobile Me would bring you close to the price of having BES and I'm saying that's not necessarily true. It's only a fraction of the cost if you know where to buy it and even then that $45 for BES doesn't give you Exchange, it only gives you the capability. You still have to provide your own Exchange server.

I have both devices in addition to Mobile Me and MS Exchange for work. Like you said before, if you are on BES your company should be providing it for you. It's definitely not for consumers cost-wise. Apple hit the nail on the head with Mobile Me. It bridged the gap for consumers wanting Exchange.
 
Jobs likes to have fun with his more naive fans. For one thing, he was talking partly about patent applications, not copyrights or granted patents. The patents they're likely to get, are very specific to their device, and easy to get around.

Spell check or autosuggest? Plenty of other devices.

Multi-touch is about twenty years old. And yep, other current devices could support it if their OS did as well: Android G-1 and Diamond Touch screens apparently secretly support multitouch. Or just search on "multitouch phone" and you'll find a few others.


I don't know anyone else that has autosuggest spellcheck I do know Apple has had it since the newton, and the multi touch nobody else has the same Multi touch as the iPhone. The iPhone multi touch uses electricity from your body to work, that's why the phone doesn't work with your finger nails. The HTC, Samsung, LG and all the other phone's that have Multi touch use pressure
 
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