Bloomberg: iPadOS 15 to Feature Improved Multitasking, Redesigned Notification Banner for iOS 15

[Ubuntu]

i dont care about widgets calendar weather and stocks to be different...i care about the core of the ipadOS, to let us use more than 5gb Ram, to use pro apps at its full potential, and bring more apps for developers since they gave us the hardware

Agree entirely about the core of iPadOS, but I think it goes beyond the wanting of pro apps etc. I've wanted Xcode for iPad for a while now but tbh it'd suck if iPadOS didn't change considerably. It's just the little friction points that I think would drive me mad, especially if there's no terminal access for example.

Ultimately what the iPad needs is a strong product direction. I think it's either a case of they really don't know what to do with iPadOS or they do but they don't want to cannibalise the Mac & iPhone by making iPadOS a 1:1 contender to macOS.

 

[Ubuntu]

That is why the app developer is supposed to persist state when you background an app? It has been that way since the very first iOS SDK.

True, but we've come a long way and it's perhaps time for the OS provider to revisit that decision. I still like how iOS encourages developers to care about power & efficiency but there's a middle ground that has not yet been found.

 

[dwaite]

The relationship between Apple and Samsung has evolved over the past decade, but increasingly it seems that high end Samsung devices are essentially prototypes for Apple. E.g. Samsung likely will supply the displays for a future folding iPhone and/or iPad. Foldable screens have improved from the awful original Galaxy Fold and will be good by the time Apple incorporates them.

I would not be surprised if later we learn Apple had long abandoned the idea of foldable phones long before Samsung's clusterfold launched. Launching miniLED/microLED devices means they are definitely embracing new technology that will not be made foldable.

Apple just doesn't have the option to launch phone hardware as laughably bad as the Samsung fold. Such a launch would destroy their lucrative "pro user" demographic (e.g. the people who upgrade to the highest end phone annually without thinking twice).

Look at the different approaches to 5G roll-out. Other phone makers stuffed 5G chips into high end phones for the press, and let the users decide whether the premium and battery drain were worth it. Apple waited until they could roll out 5G in every new iPhone model, on the order of hundreds of millions a quarter.

Thats ignoring that there are _conceptual_ problems - such as the phone being thicker than an equivalent non-foldable phone, or that you get a substantial portion of the functionality at a fraction of the cost of a foldable screen by just adding a fold-out hardware keyboard for landscape mode.

 

[skitidetdu]

Have they finally cracked how to make a calculator app?

 

[makitango]

I think the easiest way would be to provide dual-boot support on M1 iPads. That way they can focus on iPadOS providing a light laptop alternative and they can empower "pro" users or those who cannot afford to lose virtual memory support, or the true multitasking that macOS provides.
Not to mention all the desktop tools which do NOT require a big screen to function. Some people really accomplished great work on an 11-inch MacBook Air. They could do the same or even better on an 11-inch iPad Pro while also being able to benefit from i(Pad)OS.

 

[dwaite]

I hate it when these "leakers" like Mark Gurman and Jon Prosser are constantly so vague and Macrumors treats them like some sort of prophet who can predict the future. If Gurman is so sure about what is coming with his boastful attitude, then he should SPECIFICALLY SAY WHAT THE IMPROVED HEALTH TRACKING FEATURES ARE (for example glucose tracking, water intake etc -- BE SPECIFIC) and also exactly what the "interface improvements" are. I hate it when these people throw **** at the way and say common things that everyone knows; I mean I can be a leaker and say I know that "the next generation iPhone is going to be faster" - this is the same logic as the next OS having "interface improvements".

Keep in mind _why_ people leak things. There are a lot of people who are upset that iPadOS did not get a home screen redesign, and upset in general that notifications still aren't very useful. So someone with knowledge at Apple (either marketing or random excited employee) said that things were being worked on in that area.

Its not like they handed Mark Gurman an insider build and he's tinkering around with it - those only work on Apple employee phones anyway.

Also, keep in mind that Apple software devs are typically in major crunch between march and June, trying to get features good enough to be _approved_ to be part of the next OS releases. Some of these developers just finished getting other features launched in March. It is common to see features described at WWDC have asterisks saying they work different or have missing functionality in the first developer build. user-facing changes usually undergo quite a few iterations even after being shared with publicly with developers.

 

[Steve Adams]

I just want stability and customization for my iPhone. If they give me both of that I would be very happy with my 11. Oh, and give up with the stupid "how to turn your iphone off" garbage. Please change it to you hit the power button to turn on, and turn off. Whoever thought of that should be kicked in the nether reigons repleatedly. 😅 OH, and whoever signed off on that gem should be included as well!

 

[dwaite]

Imagine a process of doing a video. Consider using something like Premiere, cutting and creating some video. You find yourself at 10 GB RAM usage already within your project - try to add another 8 GB video and you're already at the end of what you could do (every iPad below the 16 GB RAM version already, even if the RAM allocation of 5 GB had been lifted, would purge itself and have the app crash).
Imagine that same process with 5 GB of RAM in your project, and you want to import a 3 GB video file to add to your project - you would hit your hardware maximum on any model below 16 GB RAM, and even on 8 GB RAM M1 iPads, you would purge your apps because OS and other apps need RAM too.

You don't need to be a "pro" user to encounter app purge, this happens all the time, but this also means that you will never be able to count on the OS to support your work integrity. Even if, say, Premiere would feature an autosave - saving a 15 GB file would, with a write speed of 3 GB/s, take 5 seconds which means you will need to have the OS pause all activity that requires to access the disk.

This is not how pro apps (should) work even on operating systems with traditional virtual memory. You typically use memory mapped data files, and let the system handle optimization of read access (and persistence of changes).

Even text editors have a crappy experience if they try to manipulate a multi-megabyte file as an array of bytes. You see additional cleverness here (such as read only memory mapped files, change tables, temporary files for representing partial edits, etc).

Likewise, even traditional operating systems don't magically keep pro apps from crashing. Those apps should be built to understand how to keep data in a recoverable format on disk for minimal loss. iPadOS does not change this reality one bit.

Finally, you do have guarantees when backgrounded that you will be given a chance to save data before you are terminated. The OS usually tries to preserve memory so such requests are 'warning shots' if you are multitasking.

The reality is that pro apps have been lacking because the pro apps have large, legacy codebases typically written to abstract away operating system and gui differences that have to be ported to new environments. Look at the delays in smaller porting efforts, such as moving pro apps on the mac from carbon to cocoa, or to 64 bit. That is without having to also design around a different user experience paradigm (e.g. menu-heavy, file-focused, right-click-heavy interfaces moving to no menus, minimal user filesystem and finger/gesture input).

 

[Bearxor]

If macOS is never going to get touch screens because it's designed with click targets that are frequently too small, then Apple needs to allow iPadOS to spread its wings. Let iPads connect to external monitors and use those *as* external monitors, receiving touch from those monitors if the monitor is capable. Let the iPad actually become the future of computing, like Tim Cook keeps saying it is.

External monitor support on the iPad is essentially useless.

 

[PeterJP]

i dont care about widgets calendar weather and stocks to be different...i care about the core of the ipadOS, to let us use more than 5gb Ram, to use pro apps at its full potential, and bring more apps for developers since they gave us the hardware

While you're right about the core, I do care about widgets. Why do I need to open an otherwise useless side panel to view small portions of useless info on the home screen? On my Android phone, even Microsoft has a pretty good calendar widget that shows me everything right there. It's a disgrace that the home screen is a simple button row. It's like the first version of macOS.

That is why the app developer is supposed to persist state when you background an app? It has been that way since the very first iOS SDK.

Even if that was all there was to it, it's not sufficient. I have a web app that disconnects when iOS kills the thread. Switch away for more that 5 seconds and log in again! Hurray! Killing tasks agressively was a great idea when processors where power hungry and batteries were small. The situation is different now. Apple needs to stop killing processes. Or give us the option on app level, but that's hardly Apple's way.

 

[erniefairchild1]

The fact you thing you have money and they're yours, it's the first delusion. You're just being given those to think you own them but in fact you've been cleverly used to support the status quo of those in power. Hense you see nothing beyond your own interest here, not surprising. The fact we pay for something overpraised + taxes and we call it a "good deal" is beyond me. Those money can be used for creating such technologies who can help us live outside the materialistic box, give real education, fight all wrongs done to people, earth and even other species. It seems you haven't really grown up enough to differentiate between those terms and that's ok. But learning is part of the process. Just ask yourself how the nowadays tehnologies really helps you grow as a human person, not as a robot..

Macrumors was very upset that I called out the economic and moral assertions in your post. However, they are cool with you insulting people by calling them greedy, delusional, robots, unwitting political tools, and essentially brainwashed morons.

Will Macrumors be sending warnings to this poster and deleting their posts? Funny moderation policy.

 

[erniefairchild1]

The fact you thing you have money and they're yours, it's the first delusion. You're just being given those to think you own them but in fact you've been cleverly used to support the status quo of those in power. Hense you see nothing beyond your own interest here, not surprising. The fact we pay for something overpraised + taxes and we call it a "good deal" is beyond me. Those money can be used for creating such technologies who can help us live outside the materialistic box, give real education, fight all wrongs done to people, earth and even other species. It seems you haven't really grown up enough to differentiate between those terms and that's ok. But learning is part of the process. Just ask yourself how the nowadays tehnologies really helps you grow as a human person, not as a robot..

I’ll now reply with my original message without using “personal attacks”:

In order to make a profit, they have to provide us something we think is worth parting with our own money in order to to gain.

Incentive of profit, in general, is inescapable, so it is best harnessed toward economic progress and the betterment of the human condition. It won't always be easy, and it won't always be even, but the evil system you complain about have lifted millions upon millions of people out of poverty, even those who are currently residing toward the lower levels of that economic ladder.

I think it’s important to understand profit, understand "coin" as you put it, and to not too casually throw around concepts such as “enslavement" and "liberation".

The irony is that we often criticize companies, while using the fruits of their labor to record that criticism.

 

[TimFL1]

The iPad will never get macOS. It‘s a „legacy“ OS, the Epic trial has even outlined how Apple truly feels about macOS: it‘s a failed platform (security, App Store failure, control over the platform is effectively gone).

The iPad is the future with it‘s iPadOS / iOS port. It‘s new uncharted territory they‘re slowly using to claw away marketshare from their own macOS userbase by continuously evolving iPadOS to offer more and more macOS feature parity.

iPadOS = a new platform where they have 100% control over the content and get their juicy 30% commission.

Anyone still hoping for macOS on the iPad or a hybrid mode is delusional. Apple execs even said as much in interviews: they‘re distinct things and no plans to merge them.

 

[makitango]

The iPad will never get macOS. It‘s a „legacy“ OS, the Epic trial has even outlined how Apple truly feels about macOS: it‘s a failed platform (security, App Store failure, control over the platform is effectively gone).

The iPad is the future with it‘s iPadOS / iOS port. It‘s new uncharted territory they‘re slowly using to claw away marketshare from their own macOS userbase by continuously evolving iPadOS to offer more and more macOS feature parity.

iPadOS = a new platform where they have 100% control over the content and get their juicy 30% commission.

Anyone still hoping for macOS on the iPad or a hybrid mode is delusional. Apple execs even said as much in interviews: they‘re distinct things and no plans to merge them.

They talked about not merging Mac and iPad. They did not about allowing macOS on iPads. Big difference.
They will have to go that way if they want to keep professional work in their ecosystem or change iPadOS to more than just changing its name. Before it was called iPadOS, iOS on iPads already had more functionality, the same way some iPhone had more software functionality than others.

 

[TimFL1]

They talked about not merging Mac and iPad. They did not about allowing macOS on iPads. Big difference.
They will have to go that way if they want to keep professional work in their ecosystem or change iPadOS to more than just changing its name. Before it was called iPadOS, iOS on iPads already had more functionality, the same way some iPhone had more software functionality than others.

They are going to continuously evolve iPadOS until it‘s pro enough for Pro devices. Makes no sense for them to nerf their App Store income by allowing users to dualboot into macOS.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Have they finally cracked how to make a calculator app?

They are still consulting with Texas Instruments.

 

[contacos]

Just give me a delete all button for iMessage attachments already

 

[PeterJP]

They are still consulting with Texas Instruments.

They should better consult with HP. RPN for life!

 

[Apple_Robert]

Just give me a delete all button for iMessage attachments already

Speaking of iMessage, how about the ability to back up messages separate from an iCloud backup?

 

[darngooddesign]

There are a couple of things I would like fixed but for me the the main things are:

Adding an app not in the dock to split screen view; the current method of Leave App 1; Find App 2; Launch App 2; and Add App 1 to App 2 is very clunky.

Allowing me to have the same app in both full screen and slide-over.

Having the option for horizontal split-screen when the iPad is in portrait.

 

[mikeandbecka]

i dont care about widgets calendar weather and stocks to be different...i care about the core of the ipadOS, to let us use more than 5gb Ram, to use pro apps at its full potential, and bring more apps for developers since they gave us the hardware

unless we get multiple user logins and Mac OS level usability, iPad will be a crippled device. The largest iPad Pro should be a full or hybrid desktop OS, anything less is a non-starter IMO.

 

[Sputman99]

The way multitasking works on iPadOS grinds my gears and i find myself going grrrrr often. Just dragging apps around all the time when i just want it to open on the left or right. I do a lot of multitasking on the iPad and wow - hope the update is sorts it all out.

 

[sdz]

Boring. Still a kid's OS or something for grandma.

 

[Falhófnir]

Why? The screen size is way too small

Smaller models yes, though The 6.5” and 6.7” Max iPhones could certainly support it in landscape, so it might be an exclusive feature for those phones.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Boring. Still a kid's OS or something for grandma.

Are you wanting to control Rover on Mars with your phone?