Bloomberg: iPadOS 15 to Feature Improved Multitasking, Redesigned Notification Banner for iOS 15

[amartinez1660]

Who is this Mark Gurman dude in a couple of lines? Just having a rant moment with all these reporters, analysts, etc… bear with me a second, what do they analyze? What’s the insight besides careful placed shots in the dark? Not saying it’s completely useless or dumbfounded but does it deserve 3 articles a day?
I ask this in contrast to the likes of Federico Viticci or even MKBHD who actually do deep dives on the devices, tech and software overall… from a first hands review of the hardware to minute details regarding apps, coding, hands-on Siri Shortcuts, ecosystem usage and evolution over several iOS/iPadOS generations; i.e. actually analyzing it and how it translate in an useful manner to the end user… pros, cons, frustrations all included.

 

[erniefairchild1]

There is a video of Steve Jobs explaining how they had to kill OS7/8/9 because it was built for a different era and as things got developed they kept adding and adding things to it until it became a bloat, I believe he resembled it to a helicopter with a lot of add-ons that can hardly lift itself.

Then he launched OS X and had an OS9 funeral.

Are you thinking of Gil Amelio with the airplane metaphor? He showed an airplane graphic with more and more things being glommed onto it. Steve spoke later in that event, shortly after he returned to Apple.

 

[lsutigerfan1976]

I haven't really made use of widgets on the iPad. I use them a little on the phone.

I stopped using widgets on both my ipad and iPhone. Since you can’t interact with them. They aren’t much used to me.🤷‍♂️

 

[Apple_Robert]

I stopped using widgets on both my ipad and iPhone. Since you can’t interact with them. They aren’t much used to me.🤷‍♂️

Some may be apropos with certain glances at the appropriate time. After that, you might as well be talking to yourself in Klingon.

 

[lsutigerfan1976]

I’ll start out by saying I love Apple and their products. I’m sure I will get raked over the coals for this, but I think that iOS is just starting to get stale. I think WWDC 20 was just very bland for the iOS. We have a new App Library, yay. Is it nice? Yes! Is it ground breaking? No. I want to be Wowed. Just seems like iOS anymore is playing catch up to android. And I hate to say that, because I hate Android. I really hope Monday knocks my socks off, but sadly I am not holding my breath. Here is to hoping!

They no longer have idea ppl for their OS or hardware. They even admitted something like that a few years ago. So they changed their way of doing things to mimic this idea that they would take an idea someone else implemented on their own software and hardware. And try to improve on it. This idea of we do it better. It’s just their new way of doing things now.

 

[Eduardo1971]

My one request would be for multi-user support.

 

[uandme72]

If macOS is never going to get touch screens because it's designed with click targets that are frequently too small, then Apple needs to allow iPadOS to spread its wings. Let iPads connect to external monitors and use those *as* external monitors, receiving touch from those monitors if the monitor is capable. Let the iPad actually become the future of computing, like Tim Cook keeps saying it is.

The main reason of macOS not having touch is not about the extremely small size of the click targets.
instead if Mac also has touch, then iPad whose main highlight is touch, will vanish from the scene.

 

[redbeard331]

I’ll start out by saying I love Apple and their products. I’m sure I will get raked over the coals for this, but I think that iOS is just starting to get stale. I think WWDC 20 was just very bland for the iOS. We have a new App Library, yay. Is it nice? Yes! Is it ground breaking? No. I want to be Wowed. Just seems like iOS anymore is playing catch up to android. And I hate to say that, because I hate Android. I really hope Monday knocks my socks off, but sadly I am not holding my breath. Here is to hoping!

Every year I see the iPad get the features I want on the iPhone and it’s beyond tiring at this point. Year after year of the same old same old, I remember the first time I saw an iPhone 12 in a store last year and I picked it up expecting to be wowed and it felt like the same thing that it was for the past decade. Same boring grid of apps, same useless status bar, same old notifications, same old icons, same old dock. At this point I’d be happy if they just got rid of (or at least allowed us to turn it off) the hideous and obtrusive home bar, added the iPad dock to iOS, and brought translucency and interactivity BACK to the widgets.

At this point they are so far behind Android in notifications and the phone app they should just copy them, has the phone app even changed since 2008? Google, for all its faults, seems to be operating a full decade or more ahead of Apple when it comes to stock apps.

 

[RobArtLyn]

It really is sad and it really is their best computer in lots of ways, but just a toy OS for now. I knew it was a bad first sign with I had to turn the Ipad into portrait mode to setup face id. And the 12.9 with the Magic keyboard just really make it more obvious is not really a laptop replacement. You can make it work, more or less, but is painful and seems almost silly (esp when you have to turn your head sideways) and extremely top heavy. Heck, even with the front camera still on the side in landscape shows Apple current thinking, I fear. And the apps that still only run in portrait mode- really? It is still just a pad not matter how much you dress it up, I guess. The "pad" name is def self-fulfilling. Wonder if it will stay that way?

"This is the way." Oh, that is Disney not Apple.

Apps that only run in portrait mode is a sin of the developer, not Apple.

 

[Bubble99]

Every year I see the iPad get the features I want on the iPhone and it’s beyond tiring at this point. Year after year of the same old same old, I remember the first time I saw an iPhone 12 in a store last year and I picked it up expecting to be wowed and it felt like the same thing that it was for the past decade. Same boring grid of apps, same useless status bar, same old notifications, same old icons, same old dock. At this point I’d be happy if they just got rid of (or at least allowed us to turn it off) the hideous and obtrusive home bar, added the iPad dock to iOS, and brought translucency and interactivity BACK to the widgets.

At this point they are so far behind Android in notifications and the phone app they should just copy them, has the phone app even changed since 2008? Google, for all its faults, seems to be operating a full decade or more ahead of Apple when it comes to stock apps.

What do you mean the notifications is way better on the android than Apple? What is wrong with the notifications?

 

[Bubble99]

Multitasking really needs to change drastically if they want to invite productivity. The absence of a pagefile threatens the integrity of your work as soon as you switch into another app and used all of your RAM until then - because when returning, you will find your work purged.

That is not iOS or iPadOS fault.

That is RAM fault. Where as 90% of the iPads people own and use have less than 3GB of RAM.

So apps have to purge stuff.

If you use Windows, Linux or Mac it just be so pathetic slow that you could make sandwich or have shower by time that website loads or that app opens because it does not purge stuff and start using the page file. If you tried using a laptop using 3GB of RAM or less.

Firefox desktop app on windows take about 4GB RAM having just 7 tabs open and Google earth takes 4 GB of RAM. These full feature apps are not mini Firefox app for iPad or the mini Google earth app for the iPad.

The full Photoshop app or proper video editing app takes 4GB of RAM just opening to blank page.

Having Firefox open with 12 tabs, MS office open and windows media player playing in the background takes well over 4GB of RAM.

Most people that own and have iPad have less than 3GB of RAM.

It just most laptops have more RAM and likes of Windows, Linux or Mac just get really slow when people run too much stuff.

Well Apple does not want the iPad that runs so slow and get error messages so they purge stuff. Where Microsoft does not care. So a laptop running windows with 3 GB of RAM or less will just be so slow you could make a sandwich or have shower with every mouse click.

And fact that most laptops and desktop computers have more RAM than the iPad is less a problem. Unless you have old windows laptop.

 

[cmaier]

That is not iOS or iPadOS fault.

That is RAM fault. Where as 90% of the iPads people own and use have less than 3GB of RAM.

So apps have to purge stuff.

No. As the person you responded to said, it is the result of a lack of a page file. The whole point of virtual memory is to allow the addressable memory for each app to exceed the physical memory, by paging to and from “disk” (In this case, flash).

MacOS and every modern desktop operating system allows apps to page to disk. iPadOS does not.

 

[Bubble99]

No. As the person you responded to said, it is the result of a lack of a page file. The whole point of virtual memory is to allow the addressable memory for each app to exceed the physical memory, by paging to and from “disk” (In this case, flash).

MacOS and every modern desktop operating system allows apps to page to disk. iPadOS does not.

Apple will not just load every thing in RAM and not purge it. Unless you close it or save it.

Apple has less than 3GB of RAM to use. It does not want to give slow iPad experience to people.

So unless everyone started to use 12 GB of RAM or more than background task must be purged.

 

[Bubble99]

Every year I see the iPad get the features I want on the iPhone and it’s beyond tiring at this point. Year after year of the same old same old, I remember the first time I saw an iPhone 12 in a store last year and I picked it up expecting to be wowed and it felt like the same thing that it was for the past decade. Same boring grid of apps, same useless status bar, same old notifications, same old icons, same old dock. At this point I’d be happy if they just got rid of (or at least allowed us to turn it off) the hideous and obtrusive home bar, added the iPad dock to iOS, and brought translucency and interactivity BACK to the widgets.

At this point they are so far behind Android in notifications and the phone app they should just copy them, has the phone app even changed since 2008? Google, for all its faults, seems to be operating a full decade or more ahead of Apple when it comes to stock apps.

Not sure where you going with dock thing. If the iPad did not have dock than what do you want a taskbar or windows 8 mentro type interface?

Even Android has three or so things that sit at bottom there.

Same old icons what do you mean? The icons that look different?

Android icons look more flat where Apple icons look bit more skeuomorphic but not as skeuomorphic when iOS first came out.

 

[cmaier]

Apple will not just load every thing in RAM and not purge it. Unless you close it or save it.

Apple has less than 3GB of RAM to use. It does not want to give slow iPad experience to people.

So unless everyone started to use 12 GB of RAM or more than background task must be purged.

I think you don’t understand virtual memory. There is no need to “purge.” You can page to disk. It’s exactly how macos works, and it happens constantly without you noticing it.

 

[Bubble99]

I think you don’t understand virtual memory. There is no need to “purge.” You can page to disk. It’s exactly how macos works, and it happens constantly without you noticing it.

HDD and SSD are no where has fast as RAM. Open up MS office, photoshop or GIP if you do not have photoshop, open windows media player, Firefox than open 12 tabs or more and look at taskmanger when system resources is 80% used or more you computer is running slow.

The iPad is lighting fast compared to 4GB windows laptop. And even 8GB windows laptop is starting to get there if you big on running different things in the background.

It normally pain using windows laptop or desktop computer with 4GB of RAM as you always closing stuff to speed up your computer.

Firefox and Google earth is really bloated these days and so is the internet. But you using mini Firefox app and mini Google earth app for the iPad so it us really fast.

 

[DeepIn2U]

XCode on iPadOS, can we have it please?

 

[dwaite]

In short, better multitasking, notifications, and privacy features.

Still no report of new hardware.

They have barely even shipped the last iPad model.

 

[Bubble99]

My one request would be for multi-user support.

That will not happen has IT departments normally go with Microsoft surface where there is users accounts and group policy.

Apple never tried to compete in business world so they don't bother with Apple.

And I don’t think Apple will try to make iPadOS pro OS for IT departments and sale businesses iPad to companies.

 

[dwaite]

Apple already said there will be no macOS on iPad, but people still hope. But you have privacy and no awful flea market, trust Tim and buy these pro devices!

There is pretty much zero hope that the current shipping iPads can run full macOS - for instance, AFAIK the (non-upgradable) firmware disables certain features of the M1 around virtualization on start.

 

[dwaite]

I’m really hoping that the utter lack of any information means they’re keeping something big tightly under wraps. Just like how no one knew the M1 was doing into the new iPads.

The utter lack of information means that they aren't doing iPad hardware - its a lot easier to keep Apple developers quiet than third-party manufacturers. That is especially true when there's a market around industrial espionage (e.g. get third party phone cases on shelves at launch)

 

[Benjamid]

I just want external screen support and better keyboard navigation.
And maybe even more open Safari.
Who cares about widgets on the homescreen…?

 

[dwaite]

Disagree wholeheartedly. I have a 2-in-1 Chromebook I use occasionally and also with the kids, and it convinced me the 2-in-1 form factor is here to stay.

That is running mobile (touch) apps with a keyboard and optional trackpad on a non-mobile OS (chrome os)

Apple does the same thing on their non-mobile OS (macOS) via Catalyst. An app developer exposing their existing app builds to a M1 mac is literally a checkbox. Quite a few recent changes to macOS and iPadOS is to make these mobile apps feel more at home by default on macOS.

It is quite different to take legacy apps designed around desktop HIG - skinny menu bars, precise click targets, right click menus, etc and transparently get them to work with a blunt finger (or fingers, in the case of multitouch).

 

[dwaite]

Multitasking really needs to change drastically if they want to invite productivity. The absence of a pagefile threatens the integrity of your work as soon as you switch into another app and used all of your RAM until then - because when returning, you will find your work purged.

That is why the app developer is supposed to persist state when you background an app? It has been that way since the very first iOS SDK.

 

[makitango]

HDD and SSD are no where has fast as RAM. Open up MS office, photoshop or GIP if you do not have photoshop, open windows media player, Firefox than open 12 tabs or more and look at taskmanger when system resources is 80% used or more you computer is running slow.

The iPad is lighting fast compared to 4GB windows laptop. And even 8GB windows laptop is starting to get there if you big on running different things in the background.

It normally pain using windows laptop or desktop computer with 4GB of RAM as you always closing stuff to speed up your computer.

Firefox and Google earth is really bloated these days and so is the internet. But you using mini Firefox app and mini Google earth app for the iPad so it us really fast.

I think you are comparing apples with oranges, virtual memory works different across OS's. On top of that, the average Windows laptop user does not boast a fast SSD, and the latest SSDs used by Apple's latest Macs and iPads are averaging 3 GB/s, even in write speed. That means you can have your considerably not-so-optimized Photoshop be fired up in 2 sec even if it's getting bloated to 6 GB RAM usage, and even if your RAM is already full.

Imagine a process of doing a video. Consider using something like Premiere, cutting and creating some video. You find yourself at 10 GB RAM usage already within your project - try to add another 8 GB video and you're already at the end of what you could do (every iPad below the 16 GB RAM version already, even if the RAM allocation of 5 GB had been lifted, would purge itself and have the app crash).
Imagine that same process with 5 GB of RAM in your project, and you want to import a 3 GB video file to add to your project - you would hit your hardware maximum on any model below 16 GB RAM, and even on 8 GB RAM M1 iPads, you would purge your apps because OS and other apps need RAM too.

You don't need to be a "pro" user to encounter app purge, this happens all the time, but this also means that you will never be able to count on the OS to support your work integrity. Even if, say, Premiere would feature an autosave - saving a 15 GB file would, with a write speed of 3 GB/s, take 5 seconds which means you will need to have the OS pause all activity that requires to access the disk.

This is the reason why people can NOT use iPads for work that has no guarantee to be restored instantly. Also, you cannot leave it in the hands of developers to provide a failsafe the same way you don't leave it to developers to "enable" multitasking gestures and be allowed to leave their apps.

No one needs to wonder why there is no professional video, sound or general editing or programming software available on i"Pad"OS. It's simply because the missing pagefile prevents you from being productive in those areas.