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Blu-Ray Support at Macworld? Mac Pros Soon?
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I cannot foresee a not-so-distant future where every household would have internet connection so fast they could download 30-50GB in 15 minutes. Because that's how long it takes to go rent a movie and start playing the physical media and if it takes hours to download (or god forbid, if the quality is sub-par to standard dvd), it's not going to fly.
So evey one here is excited about Apple having to implement PVP in 10.5 in order to play BD/HD DVD movies? Ready to replace your displays since full resolution images can only be delivered via HDMI(DVI) w/HDCP or VGA?
If both formats use the same video codec you aren't going to have any difference in picture, and your only difference in sound is BD's use of PCM instead of DTSMA or DTHD.
And currently HD DVD offers better interactivity since the PS3 is the only shipped 1.1/2.0 compliant player available today.
If both formats use the same video codec you aren't going to have any difference in picture, and your only difference in sound is BD's use of PCM instead of DTSMA or DTHD.
And currently HD DVD offers better interactivity since the PS3 is the only shipped 1.1/2.0 compliant player available today.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I prefer having something physical in my hands when I purchase it. I like having a library of movies to look through, and I'm certainly not going to wait for an overly compressed remnant of a movie to be downloaded to my tv/box. It's going to be a LONG time before 30/50GB is downloaded in minutes.
format war is stupid, taking sides is stupider
its truly sad that anyone would take sides in this format war that only hurts the consumer. cant you see because of their own greed and stupidity they are screwing you once again?
if anyone would actually want to learn some basic facts such as actual sales, technology, etc. read this nytimes article from a few days ago.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/business/31dvd.html
its truly sad that anyone would take sides in this format war that only hurts the consumer. cant you see because of their own greed and stupidity they are screwing you once again?
if anyone would actually want to learn some basic facts such as actual sales, technology, etc. read this nytimes article from a few days ago.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/business/31dvd.html
Do you know what you are talking about? Both standards support the basically the same Codecs including MPEG-2 and H.264 (each support others as well). BD are the Betamax and HD-DVD (based on old existing DVD technology) is the VHS. BD has a MUCH MUCH higher potential capacity than HD-DVD ever dreamed about. Think... Growth.
Go HD-DVD and we will be doing this again in 5-8 years.
OK even IF HD DVD is 1080p (which I didn't know seeing as how I haven't seen any player that outputs in that resolution), what say you about the fact that more studios are backing BD (as evidenced by a visit to the video section of an electronics store)? If HD DVD can support the same resolution as BD, why on EARTH didn't the manufacturers backing this have hardware ready to CONSUMERS to maximize the disc's resolution? Seems like extremely poor business-decisions have been made here.
OK, this forum has turned into a Blu Ray vs HD-DVD flame war.
I thought we were supposed to be drooling over how cool it will be to finally burn a 50G backup ON A MAC!
Who cares about movies? Am I the only one that wants Blue Ray for 50G backups of data?
I thought we were supposed to be drooling over how cool it will be to finally burn a 50G backup ON A MAC!
Who cares about movies? Am I the only one that wants Blue Ray for 50G backups of data?
Yes thank you dear. They both support the same codecs, except Sony refuses to leave MPEG2, and thus needing 50GB of disc space. You understand yet?
There is no reason to think growth in the movie market, are movies getting longer? Current 3+ hour films fit just fine. For storage fine, but bluray is not needed in the entertainment sector.
HD-DVD is far cheaper to manufacturer and provides the same results. This isn't rocket science.
Yep, that'd be great once it's cheap enough. Currently I don't want to even buy dual-layered DVD's because they cost so much per gigabyte.
Yes, Blu Ray for computers/data storage and HD-DVD for movies/TV. What's the problem?
http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?search=a35&i=052HDA35
Boy that was tough, searching for 5 seconds. 1080P and will even do 24fps.
Because there is NO difference between and interlaced signal and a progressive one on a progressive display. At the time the players were released, I could literally count the number that offered 1080P input on one hand.
HD video doesn't need to be 30 GB. Digital video doesn't need to be HD either. Resolution and compression quality are the two things that affect file size the most, and both are easily variable.
If there is a sweet spot that balances quality and file size in a way that people will buy, Apple just needs to find it.
If there is a sweet spot that balances quality and file size in a way that people will buy, Apple just needs to find it.
The studio support argument is just getting pointless now. Paramount and Dreamworks went HD-DVD exclusive and the rest beyond Sony affiliates are both.
Basically that means unless you enjoy watching garbage like Pirates of the Carribean 7 and Spiderman 23, it doesn't matter.
Yes, apparently you are "missing something"
qouted from the transformers review at high-defdigest.com:
"Indeed, I had the opportunity to attend a special 'Transformers' media event with Paramount late last week, and the question was asked almost immediately -- why no Dolby TrueHD or uncompressed PCM? The studio's answer was that due to space limitations on the disc, the decision was made to limit the audio to Dolby Digital-Plus 5.1 Surround only (here at 1.5mbps). Unfortunately, this confirms the long-held theory that the 30Gb capacity of an HD-30 dual-layer HD DVD disc has forced studios to choose between offering a robust supplements package (as they've done here) and the very best in audio quality."
I am not being naive, I just got done schooling you on your precious 51 GB disc, and you keep trying to justify it yet claiming 30 is plenty and if they needed more they would put it out on the 51 GB disc. alert: you are in need of more schooling: NONE OF THE HD-DVD PLAYERS ON THE MARKET CAN PLAY 4 LAYER DISCS.
once again I need to ask what your argument is, having an extra 10 GB per layer is a bad thing right?
warner movies that are on both formats (need to conform to hd-dvd) are MUCH WORSE than disney titles and other beautiful transfers from studios taking full advantage of blu-rays specs. the differences between the formats are very little indeed on titles being shared.
all of the sub $200 players that MOST consumers picked up during the fire sale were 1080i.
correction: most displays at kmart do not have 1080p inputs. any good tv nowaday does.
i care about quality as well when watching movies. I also care about space when I'm burning data DVDs.
blu-ray is just not as good? what movies are you refering to in the dubbing stage?
I trust myself more than you, and in my experience blu-ray is sometimes noticeably better, and other times the difference is neglible.
I also trust Michael Bay (director of transformers) more than you, and he has clearly stated that after working with both, Blu-ray is the superior product and provides the highest quality.
BUT, im sure you have more experience them him
Your bias is crystal clear here. It's pretty obvious that one cannot have a reasoned discussion on the issue with you. Either way, you didn't respond to my last point.
No, it's not. I don't think movie rentals are moving from SD-DVD to high definition until there is only one clear winner. They don't want to be supporting two formats because their non-educated sales personnel would have to support their customers and whatnot. I believe they need one format that they can fully support, but maybe that's just me...
OK and this product has been around for how long? Just saying they should have had 1080p players ready the moment the format was released (which were the players that you could "count on one hand"?)
One word as to why the studio's are backing BD over HD DVD -> PS3.... Supposedly Sony claimed there would be 10 million units (all potential BD players) out by some time. The studio's more or less brought into that idea. So basically the PS3 is the only real reason why BD is still alive. HD DVD actually sells more standalones (supposedly) than BD does.
eh, with the way the profiles are working out now, if you got a Gen 1 BD player (not a PS3) you will probably need to upgrade to be able to take advantage of stuff HD DVD was doing (technically) Day 1.
Let's say this again. Assuming a decent 1920x1200 display, there will be NO VISIBLE DIFFERENCE when you play a movie through 1080i or 1080p.
The TV's going to be smart enough to piece it all together the same way in the end, and there's some additional logic to do with the 3:2 pulldown used for playback of 24fps material.
I don't own either format yet (despite the Toshiba HD-A3 being offered at $99 during Boxing Week, complete with 7 free HD movies), and this is precisely why. My only concern with BluRay has more to do with the DRM associated with it (region coding, contection protection).
The digital side of things is equal between the two, so you're comparing something that's outside specs. Analog stage, for example, varies considerably. If you have suffered from bad player it doesn't mean the tech itself is bad.
For example, my SD-DVD component video goes completely out of sync if I connect any other video output to the thing. Having only component outputs connected, the picture is great. Don't know what they did wrong with it, but luckily I don't have to have multiple video outputs active simultaneously.
Point being these are the 1st generation high definition players. They're not as good as it gets.
Since when is TrueHD or Uncompressed PCM REQUIRED ?!? The difference between DD+ and TrueHD is absolutely negligible, if any. All of my audio is processed through an Anthem Statement D2 processor, Simaudio I-5 and Sim Audio Aurora ampfliers, driving Totem Acoustics Forest mains, Totem Acoustics singnature center one and an SVS subwoofer. My display is a 60" Sony SXRD Grand Wega that has been ISF calibrated. I'm pretty sure I'm qualified to do side by side comparisons. I'm sure you are as well, playing progressive signals on your 1080i projector.Yes, apparently you are "missing something"
qouted from the transformers review at high-defdigest.com:
"Indeed, I had the opportunity to attend a special 'Transformers' media event with Paramount late last week, and the question was asked almost immediately -- why no Dolby TrueHD or uncompressed PCM? The studio's answer was that due to space limitations on the disc, the decision was made to limit the audio to Dolby Digital-Plus 5.1 Surround only (here at 1.5mbps). Unfortunately, this confirms the long-held theory that the 30Gb capacity of an HD-30 dual-layer HD DVD disc has forced studios to choose between offering a robust supplements package (as they've done here) and the very best in audio quality."
I am not being naive, I just got done schooling you on your precious 51 GB disc, and you keep trying to justify it yet claiming 30 is plenty and if they needed more they would put it out on the 51 GB disc. alert: you are in need of more schooling: NONE OF THE HD-DVD PLAYERS ON THE MARKET CAN PLAY 4 LAYER DISCS.
once again I need to ask what your argument is, having an extra 10 GB per layer is a bad thing right?
warner movies that are on both formats (need to conform to hd-dvd) are MUCH WORSE than disney titles and other beautiful transfers from studios taking full advantage of blu-rays specs. the differences between the formats are very little indeed on titles being shared.
all of the sub $200 players that MOST consumers picked up during the fire sale were 1080i.
correction: most displays at kmart do not have 1080p inputs. any good tv nowaday does.
i care about quality as well when watching movies. I also care about space when I'm burning data DVDs.
blu-ray is just not as good? what movies are you refering to in the dubbing stage?
I trust myself more than you, and in my experience blu-ray is sometimes noticeably better, and other times the difference is neglible.
I also trust Michael Bay (director of transformers) more than you, and he has clearly stated that after working with both, Blu-ray is the superior product and provides the highest quality.
BUT, im sure you have more experience them him
51GB IS THREE LAYERS, AND CAN PLAY ON ALL HD-DVD PLAYERS RELEASED. The NEC drives play it just fine.
Please show me comparisons between the Warner titles. I'd love to see it, considering they use the same IDENTICAL transfers on both discs.