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Blu-Ray Support at Macworld? Mac Pros Soon?
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I never said there was a difference....and I agree that on most titles the difference between formats is neglible. BUT titles from disney show to me that blu-ray can provide a better canvas for studios.
think about it, 7 free movies and a hd player for $99? im not saying its a bad deal, its just one of those things that is in fact to good to be true. I knew when I saw those prices the format war was over, and so did Onkyo when they stopped production of hd-dvd players after the firesale...ever seen a non toshiba hd-dvd player?
Region coding and content protection has been approved for hd-dvd since last year, they just won't implement it because it is not the next generation format.
They are both the same. Same resolutions, same codecs used, same laser wavelength. Only differences are physical disc and file structures, which play part in storage capacity. When it all comes down to it, bluray just has more capacity, that's it.
If you want to get into why on earth did HD-DVD not bring machines ready for the consumers. Let me remind you about the first gen Bluray player fiasco. The ones with the faulty noise reduction circuits in the Genesis chip, causing horrendous image quality issues and without the ability to do any of the BD Java stuff they touted.
American Technology Research analyst Shaw Wu cites sources who say that Apple will start shipping some of their computers with Blu-ray support as early as Macworld.
Appleinsider also corroborates the report with their own sources, expecting an overhaul to the Mac Pro in the 1st quarter of 2008 with Blu-ray support.
Mac Pro updates have been long overdue with the last major update almost 17 months ago. While some rumors have pegged the Mac Pro update at Macworld, there has been only minimal buzz about it in the final weeks before the expo.
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Worst news........ever?
I need a new MacPro badly, and will be buying one with two new 23" Apple displays literally as soon as they are available.
I needed to buy before the year was out for tax reasons. I held out for new machines, and now I'm worried that might have been a really, really bad move.
wow, your a waste of time....the 51 GB discs are not playabe on current players...
please show you the comparisons of warner titles? what do you want to come over to my house or something? warner has ****** transfers because they need to conform to hd-dud discs. pick up a blu-ray player and a disney title and you will see..
and oh yeah, go read some more
don't be mad at me because TrueHD sound is required for HD-DVD
You're comparing computer generated video titles, to film titles. Have you ever seen Pixar movies on standard DVD. They are always fantastic. It's just not the same thing, so stop comparing them. Look at two film titles both on HD-DVD and Bluray and there is NO difference. Except that I paid more for the Bluray player and media.
I can see few issues here. For now neither HDDVD nor Blu-Ray media are cheap enough for general use. Also Its much cheaper and practical at least from my stand point to use portable HD or Jump drives than buy, burn...etc any kind of discs.
Also burner speeds for now are pathetic.
Also burner speeds for now are pathetic.
"You're" not "your". Clearly, I can see I'm a waste of time, with all that you've invested in arguing with me.wow, your a waste of time....the 51 GB discs are not playabe on current players...
please show you the comparisons of warner titles? what do you want to come over to my house or something? warner has ****** transfers because they need to conform to hd-dud discs. pick up a blu-ray player and a disney title and you will see..
and oh yeah, go read some more
don't be mad at me because TrueHD sound is required for HD-DVD
TrueHD is NOT required. Please show me where this is stated that it is REQUIRED.
Ugh, this guy pisses me off.
Any idiot would know that there's about a 95% chance that Apple will EVENTUALLY adopt BluRay.
Any idiot would also know that there's a 99% chance that Apple won't release any new hardware until MWSF.
It therefore follows, logically, that there is a 94% chance that Apple will start shipping units with BluRay as early as MWSF.
Leave it to Shaw Wu to offer his clients a fail-safe statement to make himself look good.
Honestly, it's like saying "some indefinite amount of time into the future, Apple will update the MacPro." Honestly why are we listening to these guys?
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Uh, yeah.. that was my point. Since all modern TV's can do perfect deinterlacing, the argument that "it doesn't support 1080p output!" is moot.
You're probably right about the motivation for this deal, but like I said, this is exactly why I'm staying away from BOTH formats... for now.
Do you really??
The substantially more capacity allows the use of MPEG-2 on BD where it simply won't work as well on the lower capacity HD-DVD. They both MANDATE MPEG-2. They both MANDATE VC-1. The both MANDATE H.264 among others.
BTW. To date, much less than half of the BD moview are shipped using MPEG-2.
Do YOU understand yet?
So you don't see any need ever in the future to have more data on the disk.... Ever... WOW. Forward looking you are.
But it is in-adequate (compared to BD) for other uses such as storage. The price difference is basically because HD-DVD is based on the older DVD tech. As volume for BD goes up (and it is at a much faster rate than HD-DVD), the costs will come down and will match HD-DVD within a year or so.
In the very near future,BD has the potential to be CHEAPER than HD-DVD simply because a single layer disk may be used in many cases instead of a slight more costly 2 layer HD-DVD.
You don't want two different standards out there. The superior Betamax lost out last time to VHS. It looks like history will not repeat itself here and BD will be the winner (currently about 2-1. That is a substantial lead IMO).
You're right, it is not rocket science. Let HD-DVD die while it is still dignified. We will have dual formats for a short time but it won't last for long.
Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple doesn't release these before the MacWorld keynote, perhaps even on Tuesday. That way Steve can touch on it in the speech but keep on with the consumer stuff. Plus, the news-wire press the MacProsand perhaps Apple choosing a formatwill generate pre-MacWorld buzz too. They've done it before.
Can we just fast forward to MacWorld???? I'm so tired of waiting!!!! So many new things are on the table.... possible video rentals, new Apple TV, new ultra portable, new MacPros, BlueRay options, iPhone updates!
I feel like Cartman waiting for the Wii to be released!
It's pretty cold out here on the East Coast. I'm pretty sure we could freeze you until Macworld. I promise I'll thaw you out in time.
Probably:
- Play Blu Ray movies
- Record Blue Ray movies
- Record data (e.g., for backups)
Also, several years ago (before the HD formats actually shipped) Apple announced (as well as several computer makers) their support for Blu Ray. Apparently Blu Ray (as the specs were defined back then) looked to be a better format than HD DVD for storing data. I don't know if changes to their specs since then has changed this equation.
Umm, there are new cpu's Intel has that are perfect for Mac Pro's, hence the new models now. this is widespread knowledge. they came out in dec.
People who buy hd formats care about visual quality. If they didn't, they wouldn't have purchased a (potentially) expensive HDTV and a hd player of some kind.
Apple doesn't even offer HD content for stuff that is HD on network television and they charge $9.99 minimum for SD movies, I hate to think how much they would charge for HD content and how long it would take to download several GB of data from their servers.
Physical formats are here to stay, at least until services like FiOS that offer 30mbps to consumers are widely available.
Yea but remember, Betamax was a better quality too and it lost the battle to VHS. How many pornos are on Blu-ray/HD-DVD? We'll know who will win by that haha
I just said a disney title, not all disneys are computer generated, but since you assumed that I do agree you can't compare that.
Pick up 'Close Encounters of the third kind" or 'Lost Season 3' on blu....the transfers will blow you away, I promise. Nothing that I have ever seen on hd-dvd even compares.
sorry, I make that mistake when typing fast and angered.
even sometimes the teacher learns from his students
"Dolby®TrueHD delivers true high-definition sound, while providing up to 7.1 channels of lossless audio that is bit-for-bit identical to the studio master. This may be considered as Dolby's version of its DTS counterpart, namely DTS-HD Master Audio.
This Dolby sound format has been developed for high-definition disc-based media such as HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc players, to deliver audio that matches the stunning high definition pictures created by these devices.
Dolby® TrueHD has been selected as a mandatory format for HD DVD and as an optional format for Blu-ray Disc.
It is also fully backward compatible with A/V receivers and HTIB (home-theaters-in-a-box) solutions supporting multi-channel Dolby Digital surround sound."
there ya go, transformers did not meet its own formats requirements....if you had VISION, you would see that this format has no chance.
and since im already wasting my time proving my points for you....
"The snag, of course, is that today's HD DVD players will be incapable of reading the new disc, which is something of a problem for early adopters, who will presumably have to buy new kit. Toshiba last week positioned the new disc as an "extended capacity, high-end option".
Now that ive proved myself, you are the one who needs to go find proof for your off-base claims.
oh how wrong you will be. The Mac Pro is way overdue. So are new Apple cinema displays.
My bet is apple will do displays with hdmi inputs and possibly a model with speakers integrated.
the displays would be needed for Blu-Ray content with HDCP in it
Holy crap, it's mandatory that the player must SUPPORT it. It says nothing that it's REQUIRED. The software and player must have the capability to use it. It's NOT REQUIRED.I just said a disney title, not all disneys are computer generated, but since you assumed that I do agree you can't compare that.
Pick up 'Close Encounters of the third kind" or 'Lost Season 3' on blu....the transfers will blow you away, I promise. Nothing that I have ever seen on hd-dvd even compares.
sorry, I make that mistake when typing fast and angered.
even sometimes the teacher learns from his students
"Dolby®TrueHD delivers true high-definition sound, while providing up to 7.1 channels of lossless audio that is bit-for-bit identical to the studio master. This may be considered as Dolby's version of its DTS counterpart, namely DTS-HD Master Audio.
This Dolby sound format has been developed for high-definition disc-based media such as HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc players, to deliver audio that matches the stunning high definition pictures created by these devices.
Dolby® TrueHD has been selected as a mandatory format for HD DVD and as an optional format for Blu-ray Disc.
It is also fully backward compatible with A/V receivers and HTIB (home-theaters-in-a-box) solutions supporting multi-channel Dolby Digital surround sound."
there ya go, transformers did not meet its own formats requirements....if you had VISION, you would see that this format has no chance.
and since im already wasting my time proving my points for you....
"The snag, of course, is that today's HD DVD players will be incapable of reading the new disc, which is something of a problem for early adopters, who will presumably have to buy new kit. Toshiba last week positioned the new disc as an "extended capacity, high-end option".
Now that ive proved myself, you are the one who needs to go find proof for your off-base claims.
By your backwards logic every single disc bluray or hddvd must have every single audio/video codec available ON THE DISC. That would mean Sony violates the Dolby audio clause every time they use uncompressed PCM.
Here are just a couple of problems with your post:
1. Sony no longer uses MPEG-2 as their primary video encoder. They have been primarily using AVC (which VC-1 is a knock-off of) for almost a year.
2. There is nothing wrong with MPEG-2 with the exception that more bits are needed to encode with the same quality as VC-1 and AVC. MPEG-2 with 50 GB can produce a perfect HD picture.
3. No, 3 hour movies do not fit "just fine" on 30 GB. In fact they have to seriously cripple either the encode or the extras to fit the movie on 30 GB.
4. There is no difference in cost for authoring an HD DVD vs a BD and BD discs are actually cheaper (per GB) to produce. The costs to produce both with drop considerably over the next year so your point is moot to begin with.