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Did you give what I wrote the tiniest thought before you thought to press "reply" to castigate me?

In my post, after I proffered the idea I wrote: "Don't know if they would be as technically great that way but wouldn't look so goofy."

So, yes, I understand the technical part. I was putting out the idea that they would have looked better if Apple engineered them to go up rather than down. And also in my post I noted I own another pair of BT buds, the Freedom F5. Those have a mic that is even father away from the mouth than if the AirPod stem pointed up.

So you did think about it and wrote that anyway.
 
Well to be honest unless your hearing is identical to that of the artist, you never will. In this case the headphones are personalized to your hearing levels.

I must be slow today. Who decides what something should sound like? The artist makes music, but when I listen to it I hear the same sounds they do minus any sounds I can't hear. So, unless this device fixes my hearing so I can hear the notes that the artist wanted me to hear originally how is it personalizing the sound? If the headphones are modifying the music to fit my acoustic preference than I probably need different music.
 
How many people actually bother to get their ears molded in order to customise their earphones?

Full disclosure, I work at an audiology clinic so we do see a few people who come in. Usually musicians...if these things are meant to be worn for a long time, I wouldn't be surprised to see more people get them fitted. I like Apple, but their earphones aren't that comfortable.
 
How many people actually bother to get their ears molded in order to customise their earphones?

Probably more than you'd expect.

I consider it. I love the concept of the Dash but the original doesn't fit my ears. I don't trust the AirPods in terms of secure fit during exercise - besides them missing features I would really want (waterproof, internal space)
 
The stem pointing up? did you give that even the tiniest thought before you came up with that idea? The stem is the microphone.

LOL. They wrote three paragraphs explaining their thought before offering the idea. Here is an idea that I gave no thought to before coming up with: move the microphone so I don't look like a twenty-second century runway model when I listen to podcasts.
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Full disclosure, I work at an audiology clinic so we do see a few people who come in. Usually musicians...if these things are meant to be worn for a long time, I wouldn't be surprised to see more people get them fitted. I like Apple, but their earphones aren't that comfortable.

How long does that take, and what does it cost? My wife loves her music. I got her some AudioTechina headphones one year and she loves their sound, but doesn't like to wear them out of the house. She prefers to take the bus so she can relax on her way to class, so I am sure she is listening to her music louder than she ought to be.
 
I know what the term "catching up" means. Yet, I do not think the AirPods are anywhere close to being superior to the Dash. Granted, the original Dash may have had Bluetooth issues, but they fixed that with the Headphone and this new Dash version.

Features...so the AirPods are waterproof for swimming? So the AirPods work standalone with internal memory? So the AirPods have a better fit (I wouldn't wanna jump up and down with the AirPods, I can't even make my Apple EarPods stay in may ears while normal walking)? So you can control the AirPods/your phone without Siri?

I'm not talking about head gestures, I'm talking about actual things that actually improve the primary application of the Dash: workout.

The Bragi Headphone, which essentially has the same functionality as the AirPods minus the W1 chip, have the same price.

You just sound like a fanboy, sorry.
The old "fanboy" argument. You don't know me! The next comment I made after this one was about how I wish Apple would allow us to replace Siri with Google's assistant because Siri sucks. Go back to your hole. Nobody is buying this overpriced garbage and you know it. Let's talk in 2020.
 
The old "fanboy" argument. You don't know me! The next comment I made after this one was about how I wish Apple would allow us to replace Siri with Google's assistant because Siri sucks. Go back to your hole. Nobody is buying this overpriced garbage and you know it. Let's talk in 2020.

Holy, someone's snappy. Are you out of arguments? Did I hit a nerve? Did you even read - and more important: comprehend - what I wrote other than that fanboy-sentence? Did you consciously choose to ignore all that? So many questions.

But yeah, sure, it's all (over-priced) garbage if it ain't Apple. :rolleyes: Or are you just trolling? Again, sooo many questions... o_O
 
I can't believe I kickstarted the Bragi project! I waited 3 years to have a less than satisfying product. It sucked in every possible way. I don't expect any better with these overpriced "pro" Dash...

Are you running the latest software on The Dash?
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It's not active noise cancellation (as in the Bose), so I'd go with no. Subjectively, it might be better because these are in-ear headphones and thus naturally have a better insolation against outside noise then any other headphones.

I find that the Dash block plenty of noise - I went shopping without them in at the weekend and couldn't believe the deafening noise in the shops. they have the best passive noise blocking I have ever used.
 
Honestly, if AirPods were made so that the stem went up rather than down it would blend in and wouldn't be an issue. Don't know if they would be as technically great that way but wouldn't look so goofy.
Not for the looks but simply because the only way I have a near perfect fit with the AirPods is when I wear them with the stems up. I simply cannot wear them comfortably "the Apple way" because a) they become loose in no time and I lose the sound quality as they start to slide out, and b) my ears hurt if I wear them long enough with the stems down. So, I experimented and found out that for my ears, stem-up is the only way I'm comfortable with the AirPods.

Of course, because the microphones are at the tip of the stems, wearing them with stems looking up does not work too well for phone conversations. However, when I make a phone call, I simply rotate at least one of the AirPods downward and use it that way and as soon as the call is ended, I rotate the stem upwards again.

I also covered my AirPods with black skins so they are no longer white.

At least for me, the problems are solved.
 
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Sorry but for us lucky people in the UK we have access to the ELYXR AIR earphones which in my personal opinion are the best design in this category, it gives you 36 hours of battery from the portable charger which is very stylish an fits in your pocket like a small powerbank and the connection quality so far (2 months of use) hasn't dropped once. I would say its the ones to look out for and are only £149.99 worth checking out if your looking for true wireless earphone alternative from apples.


They ship to US too... Not isolated to UK. They look pretty good, do you just use them for idol listening or have you used them working out too? The thing I like about the Dash is you can do anything in them, swim, bike, run, walk, sit at desk...
 
Not for the looks but simply because the only way I have a near perfect fit with the AirPods is when I wear them with the stems up. I simply cannot wear them comfortably "the Apple way" because a) they become loose in no time and I lose the sound quality as they start to slide out, and b) my ears hurt if I wear them long enough with the stems down. So, I experimented and found out that for my ears, stem-up is the only way I'm comfortable with the AirPods.

Of course, because the microphones are at the tip of the stems, wearing them with stems looking up does not work too well for phone conversations. However, when I make a phone call, I simply rotate at least one of the AirPods downward and use it that way and as soon as the call is ended, I rotate the stem upwards again.

I also covered my AirPods with black skins so they are no longer white.

At least for me, the problems are solved.

You won the birth lottery. :D. Very jealous you can wear them like that. I tried but they kept falling out as soon as I started walking.

Interested in your skins -- where did you get them?
 
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You won the birth lottery. :D. Very jealous you can wear them like that. I tried but they kept falling out as soon as I started walking.

Interested in your skins -- where did you get them?
I must have weird ears, who knows. Also, I almost get the same result by wearing them in reverse order, i.e, left pod on the right ear and the right pod on the left ear. The stems stick out forward a little that way but at least they are pointing in the right direction to pick up the spoken voice. Also, wearing them in reverse produces a lot of bass, kind of like the Beats headphones, which by the way I do not like it that much.

I ordered the skins directly from the manufacturer but Amazon sells them too. It would be nice if they made them in skin color but matte black is cool too.
http://www.getairpodskin.com/
 
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Can you swim with the Airpods in? Just wondering. Also the Dash are much more discreet than the Airpods. I own The Dash and The Headphone - both excellent products. I will most likely be adding the Dash Pro to my headphone family.

I have often wished I could listen to my podcasts while grocery shopping but regular headphones, even the AirPods are too noticeable for this. I would like to try the Dash as it does seem more discrete.
 
I must be slow today. Who decides what something should sound like? The artist makes music, but when I listen to it I hear the same sounds they do minus any sounds I can't hear. So, unless this device fixes my hearing so I can hear the notes that the artist wanted me to hear originally how is it personalizing the sound? If the headphones are modifying the music to fit my acoustic preference than I probably need different music.

Well my guess is they do cater the equalizer to your hearing levels, if you are deficient at any frequencies.
 
They need to redesign that charging cradle, it looks like a first prototype. They look better than the AirPods and they're waterproof, but for twice the price? I'll pass.
 
Bragi needs to redesign that charging cradle, it looks like a first prototype...
i agree but not for style alone. If the back end of the ear bud inserted into the charging cradle you could put a proper skin on the device, the end that is inserted into your ear. This would truly insure better fitment.




... like to try the Dash as it does seem more discrete.
if someone has got the earphones in; its they dont want to know you exist. Just return the favor. Relax no big.
 
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I am beyond excited about the "Tailored by Starkey" version of these. I've been wearing custom monitors for years. After going custom, I can't wear regular headphones. The air-tight seal, noise isolation and proximity of sound at your ear drum and the fact I don't have to wear big, hot headphones to get great sound make them unparalleled. I have a pair of $1,200 JH16s that are the best headphones I've ever heard. I have bought pairs from several different companies and was waiting for the day someone figured out how to make a pair of custom monitors COMPLETELY WIRELESS.

$500 is actually an AMAZING price! Though they don't specify, these appear to be dual-driver monitors (considering the first gens were dual-driver and these have 2 sound tubes which wouldn't be necessary with one driver). The cheapest dual-driver custom monitor I'm aware of is made by InEarz and costs $300, but that gets you wired headphones and nothing more. But buying from Starkey is worth a small premium alone considering my experience with InEarz. They're a smaller company that hasn't been making monitors as long as Starkey and the monitors I bought from them at a Black Friday discounted price sounded terrible.

Consider what the larger companies in the industry charge for comparable monitors. A pair of dual-driver Ultimate Ears will set you back $600. Dual-driver Westones are $750. JHAudio has a triple-driver for $600. Considering what you're getting with these monitors, the price is actually generous. I would pay $500 for wireless customs without the additional features, but throw in 4GBs of internal storage, water resistance, bluetooth, a heart rate monitor, pedometer, accelerometer, that audio transparency feature and fancy pants touch panels to control them... who needs to pay their bills?

I don't expect the audio quality to be amazing considering the internal amp that powers these things, but I'll use them primarily at work and while running so I don't need the highest fidelity. I'm just waiting on Starkey to get back to me about whether they can make a 3D scan of a perfect fitting set of monitors so I don't have to send in ear impressions. The thing about custom monitors is they don't always fit perfect on the first build. Some subjectivity is used when designing the shell. It's not as simple as making a 3D rendering of the impression. Some material has to be removed and other areas have to be shaped before the final shell can be printed. I've had to get monitors reshelled in the past due to poor fit, so I'd prefer sending in my JH16s that fit perfectly.

If anyone's interested in the custom version, I'd get them soon because I don't expect them to continue making them. Custom monitors are a very niche market. The only way to make real money is selling them to musicians (like the big companies), which is who these were originally developed for. But considering the additional features, musicians aren't gonna buy these. That leaves a very small market of people willing to spend this kind of money on headphones. I don't think these will be around in the future.


How long does that take, and what does it cost? My wife loves her music. I got her some AudioTechina headphones one year and she loves their sound, but doesn't like to wear them out of the house. She prefers to take the bus so she can relax on her way to class, so I am sure she is listening to her music louder than she ought to be.

I'd say the average cost is around $25, but I've heard in bigger cities the price can get over $100. I called several audiologists in my area and actually found a Beltone that was willing to do them free. The guy has done several sets of impressions for me and never charged me anything. I'd call shortly after they opened, he'd tell me to come in around noon and be in and out in around 5 minutes.
 
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Where? Do you have a source?
I don't know what was going on last night, but I checked their site and the price was $699, but sometimes I'd refresh it and it'd be $499 again, but whenever I tried to order it at $499, it would just reload the page after filling in my personal info and clearly wasn't processing anything.

I'm guessing the site was showing me the Canadian price for some odd reason. That is what $499 converts to in CAD, roughly. So maybe their site was being buggy. Unless they do intend to raise the price soon and the site was reflecting that, but that would seem unlikely. Most of the night the price was $699 for me. I see today it's back to $499 so I filled out my info to be contacted by them to place my order and this time everything was processed. The price changing definitely got me to get the ball rolling on ordering.

Sorry for the misinformation.
 
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Thank you, that makes sense!

Would you mind keeping us (me :) ) updated on the process and how well they turn out? I'm genuinely interested in the tailored Dash but it is a lot of money to invest, so I'd love to learn as much as possible in advance
 
Thank you, that makes sense!

Would you mind keeping us (me :) ) updated on the process and how well they turn out? I'm genuinely interested in the tailored Dash but it is a lot of money to invest, so I'd love to learn as much as possible in advance

I definitely will.

Also, I noticed at the top of their site, you can change your location to Canada and sure enough, the price changed to $699, so this would appear to have something to do with the bug I encountered. Of course, I never changed the location myself and it was showing $699 on my Mac and phone.
 
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