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Steve almighty.

All these years we Apple devotees have lived with "IE only" websites and being treated as an afterthought. It's both exhilarating and scary to see Apple wielding such power on the internet theses days. The very organizations that are scrambling to be iPad ready are the same ones who yawned and snickered when the iPhone was announced. They're not snickering any more are they. But Steve and Apple are not infallible. All glory is fleeting as the Romans used to tell their heroes.
 
I apologize that this is off topic, but it is a related topic and I can't find the answer anywhere else.

Given that Flash is a standard of the past, and html 5 is a standard of the future, what video format is the standard of the present?

For example, I don't think that the Apple website uses either Flash for video or html 5 for video. So what do they use? What should we all use until html 5 becomes commonplace and Flash becomes obsolete?

There really is no standard right now because the industry is in the middle of change. You could say Flash but everyone is in the middle of moving away from it. Right now many sites are going to use Flash and h.264. Even a few, like Dailymotion, will use Ogg also.

Very good question. I have no idea what Apple is using but it's not just h.264. My guess is HTML5 and they have made their own player because the normal Quicktime X controls don't come up. It's also interesting that, when I tried to download the iPad video, I couldn't find a way to do it off their site through Safari's Activity Window or through Firefox's Download Helper plugin. It seems Apple has found a way to add a layer of copy protection on h.264 videos that is usually associated with Safari.
 
Die Flash! Die Already! Muahahahahah :D

I don't hate Flash, but I do hate it being required by so many sites.
The dependence on a proprietary third-party plug-in has been among the worst things to happen to the internet in the last decade.

This is not Adobe's fault, it's the "web designers" who don't respect standards. A platforms ability to render your site should never be controlled by a single vendor.
 
...The last thing the creative industry needs/wants is Adobe to cease CS support for Macs. That would be game over for traditional Mac computers (desk/laptops)...

I WISH they would drop support for Mac. The player is horribly unstable and a massive resource hog. Yet it is "required" and even installed by default in Snow Leopard.
 
Other than some export function on the back end of Adobe Flash itself I wonder how long before wisiwig development software for interactive, motion enabled iPad web site / app development based on HTML5 hits the shelves. Apple should be at the forefront of such an application and for once not leave such things to Adobe. Maybe iWeb Pro?
 
Sure. You just need to explain to developers how they can write Rich Internet Applications and games like Samorost 2 with HTML5.

It just makes me sad to see that everybody seems to mistake Flash with just another stupid video format.

By the way... The WePad runs on (Open Source) Android, is not bound to a restricted AppStore and fully supports Flash 10.1. For me, that's just another nail in the iPad's coffin. Especially when you consider that many big European publishing houses already announced that they will go with the WePad and NOT with Apple.

Ha, lets just see which is more successful.
 
Sure. You just need to explain to developers how they can write Rich Internet Applications and games like Samorost 2 with HTML5.

It just makes me sad to see that everybody seems to mistake Flash with just another stupid video format.

By the way... The WePad runs on (Open Source) Android, is not bound to a restricted AppStore and fully supports Flash 10.1. For me, that's just another nail in the iPad's coffin. Especially when you consider that many big European publishing houses already announced that they will go with the WePad and NOT with Apple.

First I agree that we need application for HTML5 development, I hope they are coming soon. I also hope they are modern in design and work flow and not an archaic hang-over from the last decade like Flash development is. Regarding the WeePad, er I mean WePad ;), WePad would not exist had Apple not created iPad. Copycats occasional beat the thing they copy but not very often. We will see I guess.
 
I apologize that this is off topic, but it is a related topic and I can't find the answer anywhere else.

Given that Flash is a standard of the past, and html 5 is a standard of the future, what video format is the standard of the present?

For example, I don't think that the Apple website uses either Flash for video or html 5 for video. So what do they use? What should we all use until html 5 becomes commonplace and Flash becomes obsolete?
ARGHL....

Next to all "flash videos" or "html5 videos" you are watching today ARE MP4-encapsulated H.264-videos with AAC-audio. The difference is the mechanism of playback in the browser, nothing else.
 
Read Brightcove's own blog post

http://blog.brightcove.com/en/2010/03/present-and-future-html5-video-experiences

One of the things you won't see from Brightcove is the Flash-bashing rhetoric that you may hear elsewhere. Our work to support HTML5 is not about weakening Flash, it is about pragmatically solving problems for our customers. Flash is and will continue to be a critical platform for us and for our customers. The fact is, most online video is experienced through Flash today, and that will continue to be the case for the foreseeable future. We have a very strong strategic alliance with Adobe, and we continue to believe that it is in our interests and the interests of our customers to be at the forefront of innovation on around the Flash Platform. Our work with HTML5 is in addition to, not instead of, our work with Flash.
 
Sure. You just need to explain to developers how they can write Rich Internet Applications and games like Samorost 2 with HTML5.

It just makes me sad to see that everybody seems to mistake Flash with just another stupid video format.

By the way... The WePad runs on (Open Source) Android, is not bound to a restricted AppStore and fully supports Flash 10.1. For me, that's just another nail in the iPad's coffin. Especially when you consider that many big European publishing houses already announced that they will go with the WePad and NOT with Apple.

The iPad is shipping today. I'll care about the WePad when they demonstrate working prototypes, a retail date and a set price.
Let's be honest. For now it's just marketing material announced in an attempt to stop people from investing in an iPad.
 
Sorry for the newb like question, but how can I tell if a video or ad I'm looking at is in Flash or HTML5?

Thanks.
 
See my last post. The next time you think Flash is "obfuscating" video content, ask yourself why there are so many requests for FLV player options out there. Is FLV some awesome codec sweeping the nation, or is it simply the format many sites choose to upload Flash video content in?

But, if you want a real eye opener, just do this:

1. Open Safari
2. Go to Windows > Activity
3. Browse to a Flash video
4. Look at the activity for that page
5. See anything large downloading?
6. Double-click on it.

For instance, here's a direct link to an MP4 file streaming throgh Flash on FoxNews (they don't use FLV apparently). It's pretty much like reading HTML source. It's like baby food simple.

http://media2.foxnews.com/032810/032810_weather_flash_FNC_032810_09-09_FNC_MED.mp4

So. It will basically be the same with HTML5. The only difference will be that playlists will be handled through javascript and Ajax calls with varying degrees of obfuscation... unless developers simply don't care about obfuscation, at which point they can use an implementation that is pretty human readable but convenient to update and maintain.

~ CB
Good explanation.
 
Sorry for the newb like question, but how can I tell if a video or ad I'm looking at is in Flash or HTML5?

Thanks.

Disable plugins in Safari's preferences (under security). If the video keeps playing, it's HTML5-based.
 
Sorry for the newb like question, but how can I tell if a video or ad I'm looking at is in Flash or HTML5?

Thanks.

As a users, it's not really your business to care, so long as it works. The issue is that Flash doesn't work well on Apple or Linux platforms and HTML5 doesn't work well in the most common browsers. For now web designers get the most bang for the buck by targeting Windows/Flash since that covers more then 80% of their traffic.
The push to HTML5 is to provide a way to reach the remaining 20% in a stable and reliable fashion that does not require significantly more effort by the designer and removes vendor lock-in.

Apples may be jumping the gun a bit, their hope is to put pressure on the browser and dev tool industry to better support HTML5 thereby providing a video solution to developers capable of reaching nearly 100% of users.
 
As a users, it's not really your business to care, so long as it works. The issue is that Flash doesn't work well on Apple or Linux platforms and HTML5 doesn't work well in the most common browsers. For now web designers get the most bang for the buck by targeting Windows/Flash since that covers more then 80% of their traffic.
The push to HTML5 is to provide a way to reach the remaining 20% in a stable and reliable fashion that does not require significantly more effort by the designer and removes vendor lock-in.

Apples may be jumping the gun a bit, their hope is to put pressure on the browser and dev tool industry to better support HTML5 thereby providing a video solution to developers capable of reaching nearly 100% of users.

thanks for answering my question (and to the poster above). I'm curious about the Flash, as I work exclusively on a black macbook and am so tired of the CPU and the loud fan kicking in on so many websites. Recently I became aware that this is likely because of Flash. I've switched recently to Chrome, which is much, much faster on my computer than Safari--and I keep having to pull up the activity monitor to quit Flash helpers on Chrome to get my computer to quiet down. So I just wanted to see if there was an easy way to tell, so I could avoid Flash. I feel like the hotter my computer gets and the more that fan runs that I'm just diminishing it's life span. thanks.
 
thanks for answering my question (and to the poster above). I'm curious about the Flash, as I work exclusively on a black macbook and am so tired of the CPU and the loud fan kicking in on so many websites. Recently I became aware that this is likely because of Flash. I've switched recently to Chrome, which is much, much faster on my computer than Safari--and I keep having to pull up the activity monitor to quit Flash helpers on Chrome to get my computer to quiet down. So I just wanted to see if there was an easy way to tell, so I could avoid Flash. I feel like the hotter my computer gets and the more that fan runs that I'm just diminishing it's life span. thanks.

You can disable plugins in Chrome too, and even set exceptions for certain websites. I would definitely recommend doing that and either entering certain websites into the exceptions list or simply manually enabling plugins on a case by case basis.

3o7o
 
thanks for answering my question (and to the poster above). I'm curious about the Flash, as I work exclusively on a black macbook and am so tired of the CPU and the loud fan kicking in on so many websites. Recently I became aware that this is likely because of Flash. I've switched recently to Chrome, which is much, much faster on my computer than Safari--and I keep having to pull up the activity monitor to quit Flash helpers on Chrome to get my computer to quiet down. So I just wanted to see if there was an easy way to tell, so I could avoid Flash. I feel like the hotter my computer gets and the more that fan runs that I'm just diminishing it's life span. thanks.

There are plug-ins for most browsers that will prevent Flash from loading in a page. With these installed, you have the flexibility to view only the Flash content you want. You will have a play button in place of the Flash object which you can then click if you want to view the content. Using these I have dropped my CPU usage to almost nothing while browsing and added and hour to my battery life. As a side benefit you'll also be more secure.

Kill-Flash for Chrome, ClicktoFash for Safari and FashBlock for Firefox are must-haves for any OS X user.
 
Looks like the industry is going to support Apple instead of letting their site look retarded on the iPad. I saw this coming.
 
Apple did it with stupid floppy disks, now I'm just waiting for them to do it to FLASH!!! YOU CAN DO IT!!! Change is inevitable! :apple::)
 
That 90% of websites figure is bogus and probably counts flash banner ads.

The number of sites that rely on flash for all navigation is a much smaller percentage and even some of those sites have both flash and HTML versions. I'd expect that most of those sites will start to update their HTML versions to support advanced JQuery UIs and that the flash sites will begin to disappear within the next year.

As for games, Disney.com has a number of HTML+Javascript games for the iPhone so I expect that most of the games like farmville will eventually be ported to HTML+Javascript.
 
Funny how everyone here thinks this is some massive body blow to Adobe when Flash and related programs comprise just 6% of its annual revenue.

Shame nobody here can comprehend a financial statement.

Hmmm...I haven't seen even one post addressing Adobe's finances.
 
Sure. You just need to explain to developers how they can write Rich Internet Applications and games like Samorost 2 with HTML5.

It just makes me sad to see that everybody seems to mistake Flash with just another stupid video format.

By the way... The WePad runs on (Open Source) Android, is not bound to a restricted AppStore and fully supports Flash 10.1. For me, that's just another nail in the iPad's coffin. Especially when you consider that many big European publishing houses already announced that they will go with the WePad and NOT with Apple.

Are you actually saying the wepad will outsell the ipad?
 
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