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No flame intended, but seriously guys, you pay way too much attention to those promotions. Sure the display's won't be updated until wwdc, but it doesn't mean the powermacs or something else won't be? It says ANY powermac, like some have also noted.

I too would be very disappointed if the G5 rev B would come at wwdc, that's the end of june, but comeon, lots of you are already acting like it's a SURE thing that NO updates are coming!

We just don't know that, and let's face it, we are all just doing assumptions based on stock, promotions, rumors, etc.. But the truth is, we just don't know.

Don't go about pissing on apple for not updating powermacs until june, cause nobody has affirmed this. Sure, if it turns out to be the case, i'll be disappointed as well, and all of you for that matter, then your feelings are ligit, but for now, comeon.. give them some slak, cause there still can be upgrades!

Who ever said there will be a rev C (3ghz) anyway? It can very well be that rev B's are coming shortly, and that in juny, the top of the line will be 3ghz, and the lowest model will be dropped. And then nobody will be ****ed with the updating policy, cause their new rev B's will not be completely obsolete, there will just be a better model, only 1. So that could dismiss the short "gap" between the release of 2.6 ghz, and 3.0 ghz.


I'm not jumping to conclusions right now, i've learned to await things and only believe rumors if they come true. My hope is still up

Klaus
 
Why new PowerMacs do not make business sense

As a business person you must look at Apple's entire line-up.
eMac
iMac
eBook
PowerBook
PowerMac

It is widely recognized that the eMac, eBook, and iMac are the most dated products. They are important to Apple. Based upon this common sense, you would then first predict an update of eBook and eMac because you want to hav that product ready for the uncoming educational year. Then the iMac is also important.

From a technology standpoint, the PowerMac should really be introduced with either the new ATI or Nvida card. PowerMac fans would be pissed if they bought a PowerMac revision only to find out 45 days later they could have had a PowerMac with an ATI super duper card. It takes some time to design the new ATI card into the PowerMac. You probably also have ramping issues at IBM that are being worked through. So Apple is saying, we are only 90 days away from the big show, let us get it right and do it once rather than just stick a modest upgrade out there.

Now with respect to PowerBooks, I am not so sure on that one, but it probably will take Apple Under the end of June to make sure they can get the G5 in it.

I know from reliable Taiwan newspapers that Apple was to start switching new notebook production to a prior vendor in March. Common sense tells you this would be in connection with a new model, therefore, I say eBook revisions.

In April I predict new eBooks, new eMacs, and new iMacs.
 
Careful What You Wish For

Give Apple a little credit for what they do right.

If you ever told a PC user Mac are superior because Apple is one company integrating hardware and software (vs. Microsoft, Red Hat, Intel, AMD, Tyan, Chaintech, SIS, Emachines, Dell all trying to make the same platform) then just think about that for a second. How big is Apple and look at all the solutions they offer. Its like sending a platoon to take on an army. They do a damn good job and deserve some credit.

The saddest part of spending $3000 on a PC is it still feels like a $500 Wal Mart PC for 80% of the regular activities including some games.
How sad is that?
Macs are truely and "experience" and not just another kind of PC.
Sure, PCs get updates every 3 months but they lose a well-designed platform and gain an unstable system (which is why PCs will always suffer since there is no decisive leadership).
Why do you think there are so many “PC Techies”…if you bought a house as a HUD home you would become a carpenter out of necessity.
Give Apple the time it takes to do it right.
There have been some cracks in the foundation of our bragging rights and I am willing to wait rather than loose face.
 
Temple of Doom destroyed, Resurrection (or Refresh) on the 3rd Tuesday guaranteed

Thor74 said:
Apple is NOT doing things right if they are a computer company that's only claim to fame is an mp3 player and music store right now. The 9 month old buzz about "G5" is loooooong dead in the tech world.
Hello?!!! It's supposed to be a computer company for crying out loud...
Apple get off your butts and focus on computers again. :(
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APPLE DIGITAL HUB, INC. is their new name.
Color screen iPods, then SuperMini iPods when the next even smaller 4GB Hard Drive comes out...
$500 off the 23" CinemaD is to unload a warehouse of plastic-framed large LCD screens, since they are the ones over-stocked instead of the 20".
NO new Aluminum Cinema Displays (make room for Daddy) until the plastic ones are all sold off.
Any delay now is pure marketing ploy designed to clean out the pipeline of old products for fresh new ones, and so Apple & dealers won't take a massive hit on dropping prices AFTER the new releases come out (no further discounts required on already-sold product).
Meanwhile, Apple can stock up on 2.0 - 2.4 GHz Dual G5s, and even ship sealed (SECRET) containers to all the dealers under new Dealer Agreements date April 1, 2004, for a good priming of the pump so availability upon announcement is immediate in US - instant gratification (ig) instead of instant disappointment (id)
majus said:
The last message I received from "The Steve" via downlink through my aluminum foil pyramid-shaped hat was PM upgrades on March 30 -- minus any liquid-cooling features.
If that date is wrong I'm going to be a v-e-r-y disappointed PM fan. "So what," The Steve says. "It's my ball, so it's my game."
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Too many of us forget that Steve (the $1 per year executive) and APPLE DIGITAL HUB, INC. really are in the business to sell wares, soft & hard, at a profit, otherwise, Apple's shareholders might look for another "dollar a year" CEO.
Marketing and thoughtful timed-release is all part of the corporate money-game.
Apple has to make sure that dealers aren't caught with a warehouse of products that cannot be sold for profit, since the profit-margin Apple allows dealers (unlike preferential treatment of themselves through Apple Retail Stores) to make is very tight, combined with the "no un-authorized discount pricing" (except for $5 off this or that) policy.

SECRECY and a no announcement policy until-we-are-ready are all part of the marketing game, nothing happens until the deals & sales empty out the pipeline.
Plus, this doesn't hurt long technical development periods for problem solving.
It just hurts our feelings when we over-stress on much anticipated instant digital gratification (idg) of faster, better well-designed stuff.

Stressful public self-flagellation with great expectations over new releases contributes to a common hysteria (aka: cybersteria) and obvious co-dependency on mere THINGS for self gratification.
phillymjs said:
Appropriate Simpsons quote for how I'm feeling right now...
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Homer: Kids, would you step outside for a second?
[the kids run out] [Homer stands up, takes deep breath]
F---
[a church organ plays a chord; birds fly away; everyone stops]
Ned: Dear Lord! That's the loudest profanity I've ever heard.
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Never in my life have I had such a wad of cash available for the purchase of a new Mac.
I can't believe they are not going to release Rev. B G5s until WWDC! Argh!
Let me tell you this, Mr. Jobs, after all of this waiting for Rev. Bs, there better not be a friggin' month-long wait to get one after the announcement-- the
skies had better open up and
G5 boxes had better fall out of it, within days, or else*!
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Are we becoming a religious cult fixated on the next incarnation of the "expected one" descending from heavenly cyber space to our local Apple Temple (or is it.. template)?
MacWhispers said:
...for the love of Pete, I am not in any way
steamed over the idea of using these nicely operating existing Macs for another 3 or 4 months.
Seems to be a whole lot of impatience in this group.
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Although, our palatial cyber-matrix IS a rumor-mongering Mecca, it appears we have become a throng of 3x tens of thousands participating in a cyclical Spring Hadj (also, Hajj).
If so, a little Zen patience may be in order. To actively observe increasingly clear manifestations on the ethernet is one thing, abandonment of anger self-management bordering on the riotous is another.

Is anyone so deprived of speedy digital manipulation
feel that we must resort to
(a) peeing on our saviour, Steve Jobs be his name, or
(b) disemboweling the Apple to the UNIX core, or
(c) transubstantiation of a Mac into a peecee?
(d) all the above
Tell me "no", nay, say "never".
 
Time is relative

Funny... as an officially recognized Old Fart, waiting merely until June for nearly anything seems like no wait at all. I think, as we get older, time slides by quicker.

If 3GHz G5s pop up anytime late-summer/early-fall, I'll be tickled. I still have a couple of G4 towers to replace, and the Rev. B (C?...) G5 will make a worthy purchase. But... for the love of Pete, I am not in any way steamed over the idea of using these nicely operating existing Macs for another 3 or 4 months.

Seems to be a whole lot of impatience in this group. :)
 
Zaty said:
They definitely have to do something with the eMac. It's such an outdated design. Replacing the eMac with the current 15" and 17" iMacs (I don't think they would rebrand them as eMacs) would be a great move. Selling those iMacs for less than $1000 could gain serious market share in education market.
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No they wouldn't. Education buyers can get eMacs for less than $800. If the 15" iMac wasn't less than that, their market share wouldn't increase, it would decrease. The decisive factor for schools is the bottom line, nothing else.

a17inchFuture said:
I predict in twenty years, apple wont even make computers anymore, and if they do, they'll be the worst in the market. All they'll sell will be ipod minis and lucky bags full of **** they couldnt' sell over the years like .mac subscriptions and 1.5 ghz PB G4 comps (as no one will buy them when and if they are released before the PB g5).
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This is the funniest thing I've read on this forum in a long time. Sadly, its humor comes from some intuitive truth... :(
 
javabear90 said:
ok... thats it. I think I'm gonna buy on the 30th of march. Updates or No. Damn. I should have bought it in December.
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lol i thought i was the only one that had been waiting that long...
 
I'm sure someone responded to you in the pages already, but I'm too lazy to check them all. So here it is, maill in rebates are extremely effective tools for companies because statistically not everyone is going to send them in. Kind of like the whole iTunes/Pepsi promotion thing. Some math qizzard could tell you exactly what the affects will be. How many people this will hteoretically generate towards the deal, and then of hat percent how many will cash in. With figures like these they know how long to make the promotion, and for how much it can be.

CmdrLaForge said:
Could you please explain a little bit more detailed what you mean that not everyone will get $500 off ? I don't understand it.

P.S. Best thing is in February someone here at Macrumors asked if he should better give his newly purchased G5 1.6GHz back. And wait for updated machines. Most people told him to do so (including me :( ) I will never give the advice to wait for any update again.
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gensor said:
As a business person you must look at Apple's entire line-up.
eMac
iMac
eBook
PowerBook
PowerMac

It is widely recognized that the eMac, eBook, and iMac are the most dated products. They are important to Apple. Based upon this common sense, you would then first predict an update of eBook and eMac because you want to hav that product ready for the uncoming educational year. Then the iMac is also important.

From a technology standpoint, the PowerMac should really be introduced with either the new ATI or Nvida card. PowerMac fans would be pissed if they bought a PowerMac revision only to find out 45 days later they could have had a PowerMac with an ATI super duper card. It takes some time to design the new ATI card into the PowerMac. You probably also have ramping issues at IBM that are being worked through. So Apple is saying, we are only 90 days away from the big show, let us get it right and do it once rather than just stick a modest upgrade out there.

Now with respect to PowerBooks, I am not so sure on that one, but it probably will take Apple Under the end of June to make sure they can get the G5 in it.

I know from reliable Taiwan newspapers that Apple was to start switching new notebook production to a prior vendor in March. Common sense tells you this would be in connection with a new model, therefore, I say eBook revisions.

In April I predict new eBooks, new eMacs, and new iMacs.
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I assume you are reffering to the iBook when you say eBook (is it called eBook in other countries?). There is no way that the iBook will get upgraded before the PowerBook does. The difference between the two is already prett slim. Alot of potential PB customers are looking at the iBooks as being viable alternatives at this point. (For example, compare specs of a 933Mhz iBook and a 12" PB... they're pretty close, in fact I would say that the iBook is better in several areas, and its significantly less expensive. If you were willing to carry a slighty bigger notebook, it is a really close call).

Also, I think most people will agree that to get a G5 into a Powerbook is going to require using the new 90nm core, which, as far as I can tell, isn't being shipped in quantities that could support Powerbook sales levels. Plus, they aren't goign to release a new G5 core in the PB's before the PMac's.

So, it is entirely logical that the PB's will get another G4 revision before they get a G5. It also follows that since the iBook is already so close in specs that it won't get a new rev until after the powerbook. Finally, because the iMac is a 'consumer' grade product, and the Powerbook is a 'professional' system, I don't think that there will be a more powerful iMac until the PB gets a facelift. As for the eMac, well, I think it'll be gone before this time next year. It may be around in name, but it will just be a G4 iMac or something. It jsut seems insanely outdate to me.
 
Apple refurbing

Just noticed today (Sunday) that the UK Apple store refurb page - usually only open on Wednesdays is open today, with a flashing "open today" sign on the UK Apple store main page, mainly selling powerbooks and imacs
 
Macrumors said:
June 28th 2004
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****!

At least now we know the time, date, and place of the dual 3GHz announcement. :)

These displays better be worth the goddamn wait. There better be pinhole aluminum, mounting brakets, 30" touchscreen and a ~$3500 price tag.
 
LudwigVan123 said:
Umm... Are you stating this based on speculation or fact?
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my point exactly, if apple announces that it won't update the powermac line until june..then i agree, everybody can be sad and whine about the delay :)
 
Optogirl said:
Just noticed today (Sunday) that the UK Apple store refurb page - usually only open on Wednesdays is open today, with a flashing "open today" sign on the UK Apple store main page, mainly selling powerbooks and imacs
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it's been open since tuesday.. or even monday but not sure about that.
and not only the uk store, all european refurb stores were open
 
thatwendigo said:
Most companies that issue mail-in rebates are hoping that the customers won't jump through the necesasry hoops to claim it. ... Dell's famous for their difficult process, as if that's surprising. :rolleyes: :p
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That's true in general. I wonder if it somehow makes accounting simpler, since the retail outlet doesn't have to devalue their inventory, etc. You go into Micro Center these days, and there are rebates on almost everything. You want to grab that 160GB drive for $80, but then you notice that that's after TWO mail-in rebates -- from two different companies. Sheesh.

In my limited experience, Apple's been pretty quick at sending out the checks.
 
jamdr said:
No they wouldn't. Education buyers can get eMacs for less than $800. If the 15" iMac wasn't less than that, their market share wouldn't increase, it would decrease. The decisive factor for schools is the bottom line, nothing else.
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Well, the education store lists the base emac at $749, so school probably get them for around $700 a piece (just guessing). The iMac is $1199, so maybe $1100 for a school?

There is a $400 difference there, but that iMac (and its pricing structure) was introduced when, late last year or so? In another 8 months or so the price of these smaller, lower res LCDs is going to be WAY less than it was then, and so will the components inside. I would be that apple could sell them for CLOSE to emac prices.

Also, on a consumer level, if Apple would start selling iMacs as thier entry level systems for sub $1000 they could really improve thier market share. It's sexy as hell, easy to setup and use, and comes with a 15" LCD.

In fact, a 15" iMac with a 1.25 G4, 512MB ram, a 40gig HD, a slightly better video card (something with 64MB vram... an ATI9500 maybe?) a combo drive, Panther, Appleworks, iLife, and an improved warranty (1 year for support and hardware coverage) for $999 would sell HUGE, imho. It would be worth it to Apple to make a little less profit on these sales to get people into the Mac world. Says me.
 
365 said:
I'm desperate for a new Dual G5, I sold my Dual G4 last year thinking that upgrades would be out in March ( 6 months cycle ) and I've been using the family G3 iBook ever since but 3 weeks ago I decided I couldn't cope with the torture of the iBook and bought a brand new HP D530 P4. It cost $700 in a special offer and was a very impressive spec, 2.8 P4, SATA, 800Mhz FSB etc.. Windows XP Pro and a 3 year on site warranty ( I'm sorry but beat that Apple ). The machine was very fast and did everything and more than my old dual G4 but I hated Windows XP so I just sold it and I'm back on the iBook.
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Uhm... why didn't you just sell the Dual-G4, buy a Dual-G5 back then and sell that and buy a new Dual-G5 when they were released?

This is why Apple hates rumor sites - people do irrational things based on rumors that people have no idea if they are true or not. Nobody knows what the promotions mean. It could mean that Apple is releasing PowerMac updates next week but not updating displays until WWDC. We have no idea.

And I'm getting sick and tired of people saying Apple is focused on the iPod and music business. Do you actually think Steve went to the PowerMac development team and said "Stop what you're doing, go work on the new iPods?" Please think about that for a second. PowerMac updates will come when they are ready - how the iPod team is doing has no bearing on the PowerMac team.

But really, who cares? Why does it matter? Is it so import to shave a couple of seconds off of a render time? Think of how much work you could be doing instead of waiting. Does a few more fps in Unreal Tournament matter? Does a speedbump really matter so much to people that they're willing to wait months and months without a computer just so they can get one a few percentage points faster? Or are they just getting caught in the hype of these rumor sites only to be let down again and again?
 
xsmi said:
Could the delays be related to Hypertransport 2.0 which is supposed to ship in the 2nd half of this year? With PCI Express Video Cards shipping Q2 of this year (according to ATI) could Apple be waiting to do the entire upgrade in design all at once? Just a thought. I too am dissapointed. But if this is the case, I can wait.
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You make a really good point. Just think.....if we are patient and wait, Apple will put out a awesome system. Dual 3.0 Ghz.....shiver.
 
old steve must have wanted to leap from 2 to 3GHz with the 970FX.
I'm copertent that we'll see 3 Ghz in the g5 by summer.

(I just want my quadruple g5 powermac and my dual core g5 powerbook)
 
in europe the order time for dual 2 ghz powermacs takes now 5-7 days.. it turned from immediatly shipping!

the update for the powerbooks is a myth. I don't think they increase the speed only from 1.33 to 1.42. thats interesting for ibooks. You can make 2 revision for them. One is for 1.25 and then you go up to 1.42.
As for the powerbooks: i think apple wants to keep the line until wwdc. The G4 chips never reached a frequency more than 1.42. Perhaps with the new 7447A they reach 1.53 Ghz. But that's also uninteresting
 
Raveny said:
in europe the order time for dual 2 ghz powermacs takes now 5-7 days.. it turned from immidiatly shipping!

the update for the powerbooks is a myth. I don't think they increase the speed only from 1.33 to 1.42. thats interesting for ibooks. You can make 2 revision for them. One is for 1.25 and then you go up to 1.42.
As for the powerbooks: i think apple wants to keep the line until wwdc. The G4 chips never reached a frequency more than 1.42. Perhaps with the new 7447A they reach 1.53 Ghz. But that's also uninteresting
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Did you test it yourself, if so, do just have to "fake" an order, and see the shipping date BEFORE you actually confirm the order?

Cause if I want to check it myself, I don't want to end up having to pay for a G5 :D
 
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