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Dude, you're talking about something smaller than your little finger nail.

It's a long draw of the bow to go from your argument to increased stock values for tech companies.

Your motivation is shown in your last sentence, Apple doesn't deliver a quality product.

That's a fair position to hold, but surely that isn't solely based on the camera lens material. Or is it?

Is your company in the phone manufacturing businesses? I could work for a farm and claim my product is better quality than apple.

You've got some real passion, I'm keen to know what you do at your company.

All the best.

I guess im just disappointed in apple quality lately. Its not just the lens though the lens is the latest strike.
 
There's a HUGE difference between lying and calling something by it's generally accepted name where the product is more that ingredient than not.

Do people truly believe your Hershey's chocolate bar, despite being called "chocolate" is 100% chocolate? Nope try 45% to 60% cocoa (actual chocolate) even for dark chocolate.

Is your aluminum Macbook or laptop 100% aluminum despite only being called aluminum? No, more like 90% aluminum and has nickel, iron, and other metals in it.

As the video said, it is more aluminum oxide than anything else, so calling it sapphire generally is not incorrect.

Being 100% sapphire and that thin a part would be INCREDIBLY brittle and shatter in 1 drop. Being harder can make things more brittle; not always a good thing. There has to be some compromise in an alloy form to achieve decent scratch resistance and decent drop/shatter protection.

None of this is altering anyone's life so significantly to spend hours on the internet complaining about it. The video even said the 6 and 6S line is the same material and no one en mass complained about lens scratching.

If it is that big a deal most here are still within the 14 day return period. By all means. No one here is forced to keep theirs if it is truly that big of a deal.
Your opinion. And I respect it :)

IMO call a duck a duck. Most people aren't going to look into materials; they'll take what a tech company sells them at face value. In my eyes this is deception because it is using the consimer's ignorance against them.

Also, the thing with the Hershey's bar is USDA law dictates that all ingredients need be listed. It's very easily obtainable information listed in the bottom of every bar. And I'm glad you brought this up. Because this is a wonderful example of why laws exist to protect consumers.

Anyway. Only pointing out that asking questions is good. If you don't think there's a problem here that is a perfectly acceptable stance to take.
 
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I guess im just disappointed in apple quality lately. Its not just the lens though the lens is the latest strike.

What were the previous strikes?

I made the switch a few years ago from Microsoft to Apple and haven't looked back. now I'm wondering, what am I missing?
 
I don't understand why people think you're trying to turn them against Apple. Talk about putting words in your mouth. Sheesh.

Im starting to think there is a large population of users on here who derive a significant part of their self esteem and self worth from the pride of ownership of Apple products. Thus any questioning of apple is taken as a direct personal attack on thier sense of self. When in reality we should be banding together as consumers and demanding the excellence Apple has promised us.
 
If you're happy with your phone you are missing nothing. Enjoy.

You missed my question.

The camera lens was the last strike in regards to product quality from Apple. What were the previous strikes?


Im starting to think there is a large population of users on here who derive a significant part of their self esteem and self worth from the pride of ownership of Apple products. Thus any questioning of apple is taken as a direct personal attack on thier sense of self. When in reality we should be banding together as consumers and demanding the excellence Apple has promised us.

Or perhaps your arguments that kicked off this thread have been primarily normative in nature.

I've enjoyed the exchange.

All the best with your Samsung phone and your company's continued success producing quality products.
 
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You missed my question.

The camera lens was the last strike in regards to product quality from Apple. What were the previous strikes?
Over the years, and off the top of my head;

The iPhone 4 antenna
The iPhone 3g/S (can't remember which, maybe both) moisture sensors voiding warranty

I was only personally effected by the antenna thing and I got a free bumper (though I purchased a bumper myself because I wanted one).
 
You missed my question.

The camera lens was the last strike in regards to product quality from Apple. What were the previous strikes?
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I'm starting to think even op doesn't really know why he jumped ship from apple. He claimed th


Or perhaps your arguments that kicked off this thread have been primarily normative in nature.

I've enjoyed the exchange.

All the best with your Samsung phone and your company's continued success producing quality products.

Lol nope dont work for samsung. Check out the forums for other 7 qc issues.
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Over the years, and off the top of my head;

The iPhone 4 antenna
The iPhone 3g/S (can't remember which, maybe both) moisture sensors voiding warranty

I was only personally effected by the antenna thing and I got a free bumper (though I purchased a bumper myself because I wanted one).
Add yellow screens and uneven tint on screens every year to the list.
 
Add yellow screens and uneven tint on screens every year to the list.
I didn't mention this because this isn't unique to Apple. It seems almost every year a flagship hits, someone is complaining about a yellow screen. Knock on wood this has never been an issue over the decade I have owned smartphones. And I have owned dozens at this point between personal, work, and family use.
 
Might be true but its a symptom of something more rotton going on, combined with all the other issues, and thats the fact that Apple is only interested in what it can get away with, not in doing right by the customer. Things have changed and the old Apple is gone. At least they have a generous return policy.

No, this is just another year, another glut of people complaining non-stop about Apple. You in particular seem to do nothing but trash them, I'm surprised you even bother to come to a forum for a company you seem to thoroughly despise.
 
No, this is just another year, another glut of people complaining non-stop about Apple. You in particular seem to do nothing but trash them, I'm surprised you even bother to come to a forum for a company you seem to thoroughly despise.

I like apple fine but im not going to put them on a pedestal or pretend they are any different than any other company. If an apple product meets my standard for quality i keep it. If not i return it. What i dont do is try to minimize their shortcomings or act like inferior quality is some kind of feature.
 
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Apple using buzzy words or catch phrases to boost or imply something is better than it really is???? GASP....never, not Apple, the innovator of all things wonderful, the creator of every piece of tech ever invented, not that Apple!?!?! Sheesh, some in here are gullible, others blind, and a lot of you preaching to the choir.
 
I like apple fine but im not going to put them on a pedestal or pretend they are any different than any other company. If an apple product meets my standard for quality i keep it. If not i return it. What i dont do is try to minimize their shortcomings or act like inferior quality is some kind of feature.

Look at the company holistically. I would argue that Apple is different.

Apple wants to save the environment, maintaining customer privacy, employe people with disabilities, are anti-discrimination, and so on.

You could include the negatives such as how aluminium is mined, factory worker conditions, etc. These are huge issues that can't be solved overnight but from what I've read, Apple is also working to improve in these areas.

What does Samsung stand for? What's important to you?

Perhaps you don't care about any of this, but I know which company I'd rather give my money to. For these reasons Apple isn't just 'any other company'.
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Over the years, and off the top of my head;

The iPhone 4 antenna
The iPhone 3g/S (can't remember which, maybe both) moisture sensors voiding warranty

I was only personally effected by the antenna thing and I got a free bumper (though I purchased a bumper myself because I wanted one).

Thanks for the reply. I was keen to hear what Kre62's list of quality issues that pushed him to go Samsung. His reply was to check out other QC threads. Lolz.

One could simply say at least your iPhone 7 won't explode on you. iPhone quality argument done.
 
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No, this is just another year, another glut of people complaining non-stop about Apple. You in particular seem to do nothing but trash them, I'm surprised you even bother to come to a forum for a company you seem to thoroughly despise.
I recommend you take a look at topics he has started. You may be surprised
Look at the company holistically. I would argue that Apple is different.

Apple wants to save the environment, maintaining customer privacy, employe people with disabilities, are anti-discrimination, and so on.

You could include the negatives such as how aluminium is mined, factory worker conditions, etc. These are huge issues that can't be solved overnight but from what I've read, Apple is also working to improve in these areas.

What does Samsung stand for? What's important to you?

Perhaps you don't care about any of this, but I know which company I'd rather give my money to. For these reasons Apple isn't just 'any other company'.
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Thanks for the reply. I was keen to hear what Kre62's list of quality issues that pushed him to go Samsung. His reply was to check out other QC threads. Lolz.

One could simply say at least your iPhone 7 won't explode on you. iPhone quality argument done.
I feel the swift response to the fire hazard that is the note 7 battery should also be mentioned then. I have no skin in the game. I choose to avoid Samsung smartphones for other reasons (mostly I hate touchwiz lol). Granted it's a health and safety issue, so a swift response is expected, but consumers got one nonetheless. Aside from that admittedly huge issue, in reading very few complaints. Same goes for the rest of this year's galaxy refresh.

I feel a lot of people here have mentioned, often sarcastically, the phones blowing up. But we aren't ever talking about what the company is doing to fix things. As said, I feel like you can't discuss one without the other. But I get it. There is an inherent bias here (not necessarily speaking of you) because it's a competitor to an Apple product and we are on an Apple forum. This makes perfect sense.

For what it's worth I checked the thread history and post history of the OP and it isn't a bunch of complaining as someone above implied. It is what it is. He didn't like this refresh and felt a little bit lied to. I can't say I'm jumping ship but I don't appreciate claims being made that turn out to be PR spin (even though it happens all the time everywhere, doesn't make it easier to swallow).
 
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Look at the company holistically. I would argue that Apple is different.

Apple wants to save the environment, maintaining customer privacy, employe people with disabilities, are anti-discrimination, and so on.

You could include the negatives such as how aluminium is mined, factory worker conditions, etc. These are huge issues that can't be solved overnight but from what I've read, Apple is also working to improve in these areas.

What does Samsung stand for? What's important to you?

Perhaps you don't care about any of this, but I know which company I'd rather give my money to. For these reasons Apple isn't just 'any other company'.
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Thanks for the reply. I was keen to hear what Kre62's list of quality issues that pushed him to go Samsung. His reply was to check out other QC threads. Lolz.

One could simply say at least your iPhone 7 won't explode on you. iPhone quality argument done.

I never said i went samsung. I have an iphone 6s and have had every iphone since the 3g. Not sure where you got that i went samsung. I hope to never go samsung which is why im passionate about Apple keeping up with the competition. As far as my comment on read the threads it was more of a "surprised you even have to ask" thing. Between this, hissing, yellow screens, etc its a really long list this year. Like i said i always have the latest phone so have really been wanting to make the 7 work but havent found one that does yet, and thats frustrating.
 
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I feel a lot of people here have mentioned, often sarcastically, the phones blowing up. But we aren't ever talking about what the company is doing to fix things. As said, I feel like you can't discuss one without the other. But I get it. There is an inherent bias here (not necessarily speaking of you) because it's a competitor to an Apple product and we are on an Apple forum. This makes perfect sense.

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...inning-to-spiral-out-of-control-in-china.html

Imagine being the CEO of Samsung and having to deal with the issue and the bad publicity (I'll avoid calling it a crisis). Obviously it's going to be difficult to understand the root cause, implement a fix and then re-issue every affected phone in a timely manner.
 
Its a tiny piece of glass... is this really what yall have to worry about? Put on a case and go about ur day. I have never had a issue with scratches to a camera ever and I worked in mud, dirt, asbestos, fiberglass, glass, sand, pumas, and anything else that could be sharp or fine.

Even if its not 100% who cares? Make sure to write up a thread about the copper pipes in your house... they are not 100% copper either SHOCKER!
 
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I am betting that all the people who have an iPhone have ZERO scratches on their camera lens and home button with the sapphire lens cover. Go ahead and take a look with a loupe or a magnifying glass. If you do, take a photo and show everyone. You are probably in very small company if you find one.
 
I am betting that all the people who have an iPhone have ZERO scratches on their camera lens and home button with the sapphire lens cover. Go ahead and take a look with a loupe or a magnifying glass. If you do, take a photo and show everyone. You are probably in very small company if you find one.
So what?

This is an integrity thing. Specifically, Apples lack of it.
 
I recommend you take a look at topics he has started. You may be surprised

Are you serious? Go and look at their posts, literally the last 140 or so are filled with complaints about either the lens or the screens, and the last thread they started was about how they returned their 7 and went back to the 6s.
 
Are you serious? Go and look at their posts, literally the last 140 or so are filled with complaints about either the lens or the screens, and the last thread they started was about how they returned their 7 and went back to the 6s.

I think hes talking about the op.
 
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