I planned on buying a mac for a while. But I've ordered a new PC now. Leaving a product unchanged for over a year is just ridiculous, especially in the computer business. I don't upgrade my computers that much, but the fact that it takes apple this long to launch new products or make decent upgrades, just doesn't make it a product I could live with...
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Can I hope about Mac Pro update at August 7th
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Do you know what the real-world results from a Mac Pro look like? Have you ever used one for more than 5 minutes? Or are you just bandwaggoning.
I have yet to hear a Mac Pro owner complain about their machine as vocally as all the people who do NOT own one.
How many unhappy Mac Pro owners are there on these forums? How many have sold or returned theirs after usage? Find me those posts (hint: there aren't any).
But I guess the Mac Pro is just for easy to please people who don't value their money and who don't understand economics. All the smart people who value their money and time, why they avoid the mac pro like the plague!
So, I guess I am an uninformed, spendthrift idiot who bought a piece of **** machine that I can't even use. I think I'll go burn some money and then go buy a horse and buggy because LULZ THATS 1906 TRANSPORTATION LUZL LULZ LULZ.
However, the pro has much more space to put in larger diameter fans and more "air" inside the case.
I can't get behind your logic. Apple is first and foremost a software company and that's what makes their systems so great. You can't just go get a new Dell with the latest video card and have something better than a Mac Pro because you're going to be stuck with either a dinosaur OS (XP) or a borderline transitional OS (Vista). While Apple may not always have the most up to date hardware, their software is usually light years ahead in terms of the overall user experience. I say this not as a Mac fanboy, but as a former PC technician who didn't want to like Macs but couldn't deny the grace of their OS when I tried one.
Yeah, I'm waiting because I want to maximize the value of my purchase and yeah, I'm a bit annoyed about the Mac Pros current video card and lack of 2GB standard RAM, but meanwhile I'm using a G4 MDD which does something a new PC doesn't - runs the latest version of OS X. If I didn't have a Mac, I'd buy a Mac Pro today and while I'd wish I could have waited for a newly updated version, I'd be really happy to be getting a great machine too.
It's an unfortunate thing for those of us who love the Mac OS but have to budget carefully - purchases cannot always timed well with the hardware releases. However, we get the Mac OS, so everything else makes this one annoyance worth it. I wouldn't trade that for a 20-core, 9.9 tHz PC running Windows.
This is why many of us are waiting. Old, outdated video card options (a year and a half or older technology), lack of 2 gb standard, and the obscenely offensive BTO option prices. Apple has yet to adjust their BTO pricing to compensate for the Intel price drops. The move from 2.66 to 3.0 costs an offensive $700, when in reality the difference is about $310. And the even more offensive from 2.66 to four-core 3.0 costs $1499, when in reality the difference is about $400. Let's not forget about Apple wanting $320.00 for a 500 gig hard drive. I could buy THREE 500 gig drives for that price and still have money left over. But, anyone who purchases extra RAM and hard drives from Apple is either a fool or woefully misinformed.
Bottom line, it is a mistake to pay Apple $2499+ for outdated video cards and an overly-expensive standard configuration.
What's all this? If you need a faster video card why don't you get a PC? The Mac Pro is aimed at media professionals, not teenage gamers. As for the price of the cores, you have to take into account the build quality of a Mac. Apples and oranges!
I've had Apple computers since 1990.
If it's all the same to you I'd rather wait for the next Mac Pro with a more powerful video card.
Oops, my bad again, I didn't realize that you have to be a teenager to be a gamer.
As long as you are going to restrict my use with the Mac Pro, maybe you could give me a list of programs that are only allowed to be used with the Mac Pro?
Um,
Maybe because of the fact that I can use BootCamp and load Windows XP to handle my games and other PC-only apps?? Maybe because I have no need for multiple computers in my household when I can do it all on one machine???
I HAVE a PC, custom-built. And the first thing I am going to do when I eventually buy a Mac Pro (with updated hardware) is sell off the PC piece-by-piece.
This argument has gone back and forth for god knows how long. "Professionals don't game. It's a professional workstation". Blah blah blah. How do you know that professionals don't play games?
I'm trying to decide whether you are sincere in your question or if you are trying to provoke the other forum users.
But the barebones answer to your question is this: You can't run the Mac OS on a PC. The video card thing is a gripe, but for most of us, it's not a deal-breaker with Apple products.
As for this:
Statistically, the average gamer is in his/her late twenties/early thirties. I'm a professional who games. Most of my gamer friends are professionals of some kind.
Also, gamers are not the only people who require fast video cards. So do media professionals.
Can a consumer pick up one of these processors separately? Is it easy to swap them out? In other words - if you were to buy a Mac Pro with the cheapest processor option, could you upgrade the processor yourself for cheaper and maybe sell the old one on eBay?
True, but you can play games at work.
Just like some people haunt the MacRumors Forums at work.
Yes you can pick them up seperatly, you're looking at around $1600 at the moment for a pair of 2.66GHz quad Xeons.
2Ghz duals could fetch $400-$500 and 2.66GHz you could probably recoup $600-$800. You may as well buy a used mac pro as you are going to lose the warranty anyway, say $2,000 for a quad 2.66GHz if you are lucky, meaning $3,000 or less for an 8 core 2.66Ghz Mac Pro.
Didn't anyone watch the demo for Spaces where they have, I believe it was, World of Warcraft going on one "space" while documents are open on another
October is Leopard, December brings the holidays and then Macworld 2008. Three opportunities. I'm guessing MacPro's for October. Holiday season is all about consumer products, not such a thick machine like the MacPro.
But, what in Macworld then? Leopard in and of itself is big enough that maybe posponment of the MacPro to Macworld would make sense?
Bottom line, you can speculate till you are blue in the face. You're never gonna be able to predict this kind of stuff. So why get frustrated? Just enjoy the products.
But, what in Macworld then? Leopard in and of itself is big enough that maybe posponment of the MacPro to Macworld would make sense?
Bottom line, you can speculate till you are blue in the face. You're never gonna be able to predict this kind of stuff. So why get frustrated? Just enjoy the products.
I doubt Macworld will bring much of anything about Leopard besides an update, considering it would have been out for nearly 3 months at that point.
But, you are right. It is all speculation. However, I don't enjoy outdated products. I am far from frustrated. Annoyed? Yeah. Anxious? Yeah. Not frustrated. It isn't the end of the world if I can't buy a Mac Pro now. I can't speak for others of course.
I don't know how much longer I can wait. My mouse is hovering over "add to cart" on the Apple site. Is it really worth waiting to save me 10 minutes on renders in Final Cut?
I mean, according to my specs right now, making the jump from megahertz to gigahertz is fantastic, and from 1gb memory to 5gb and 64mb graphics to a 512mb. Wouldn't it be worth it?
For me it isn't so much about performance (of course the performance will be there when it gets updated), but more about value for my money. Which I don't think the Mac Pro is right now. I prefer to buy on the beginning of the update cycle. The Mac Pro, as I am sure you know, is the same as it was a year ago. That, for me, does not represent a value. And with the things that are here (Clovertown and GPUs) and the things that are coming (Harpertown and SS) I can't imagine buying one now.
And I am not about to play the buy it now and resell it game.