Well, people are seem to be agreeing with my view, so perhaps you are ASSUMING too much. You somehow know the thoughts of 500 people.
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Can we please remove the vote buttons?
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Well, people are seem to be agreeing with my view, so perhaps you are ASSUMING too much. You somehow know the thoughts of 500 people.
We collect data of your voting habits and sell it to the highest bidder. What else would we do? Haven't you noticed that ads you're seeing are chosen based on your votes?
Ah, yes, that explains it......
And yes, I up-voted this comment because it is witty and original.....Agree completely with this. (And, yes, I up-voted these posts).
In essence, an up-vote is usually an expression of agreement or approval or the poster/argument/opinion and, unless the up-voter wished to elucidate or clarify or support more strongly on his or her up-vote, nothing more need usually be said.
It is different with a down vote. It is not just that it expresses disagreement (with a poster/opinion/viewpoint/fact/factoid/perspective), it is that it allowed posters to do so safely, hidden behind the cloak of anonymity of the net.
By allowing down-votes without having to offer a clarification, or merely obliging posters to state "I disagree" when clicking that down arrow, or, without having to offer an explanation, or justification for them, allowed - to my mind - a negative, nihilistic and downright unpleasant atmosphere to develop or emerge on some threads, and, I for one, am glad to see that it has been removed. In essence, it allowed for easy, and lazy negativity.
It is better for debate if you have to explain both, but sometimes an up-vote denotes agreement (which does not often require further explanation, especially if one is expressing agreement with something which has already been said), but it is better - in my view - to require that reasons - if any - for a no-vote be expressed and articulated.
Agree.
Actually, unfortunately, it was when it was abused, as it was in some threads.
I think it is something to do with the perception of safe personal space and how differences/disagreement/dissent are subsequently expressed. The internet allows for a far greater degree of personal distance, (and presumed safety) which, in turn, allows for a more hostile tone to be taken in the expression of difference/disagreement than, if, for example, one was to express such disagreements face to face.
So then what's the point of an up-vote button? I see people making this "there's no point to a down-vote button/it doesn't add anything to the discussion", but the same could be said for the up-vote arrow. And removing one option completely undos any purpose of having a voting system in the first place. So then we really have to ask ourselves, what's the point? Either implement a voting system with both up-vote/down-vote arrows, or don't bother with the voting system at all.
I agree, and I'm in favor of no vote buttons at all, since there's no way to prevent abusive/inappropriate voting. I believe the downvote button is more problematic and disruptive, so I'm glad it's gone, but both buttons enable a response without any accountability. If both buttons are gone, people will have to either put some thought into voicing their thoughts, or keep quiet.
One possible but important reason was to reduce the amount of +1 posts littering up the place. One word posts used to be something to deal with and could take up a lot of mod time to weed out. If the up-vote buttons substantially and provably reduce this, then they're absolutely worth keeping.
Sort of reminds me how Saddam used to be elected with like 98%+ of the vote because he was the only one you could vote for. In my opinion there is absolutely no point in having an up vote button without a down vote button.
But for better or worse, the powers that be here at MacRumors have decided that down voting hurts feelings, self-esteem, etc. that they have decided to do away with it. Which is their right to do so. But as for me, I won't be using the up vote button.
Who cares what the reasons are? This place was just fine before these stupid vote buttons. This "feature" has done nothing to improve the memberships' experience here.
If their reason to remove them is to stop the bickering that is caused by them, then good. Let the bickering stay in this thread instead of popping up in other threads.
You seem to be fixated on the idea that those who oppose the vote buttons do so based on feelings, emotions or other personal issues. While that may be true for some, it's not true for all. As already stated, downvoting a correct answer to a question can mislead the reader into thinking that answer isn't correct. So it's not a matter of "hurt feelings" or "self-esteem", but rather a matter of not confusing newcomers who read an answer to a question, then wonder if the answer is accurate because someone downvoted the post simply because they don't like the poster.
Why do people on here think this or any other poll on MR means anything?
It was the comments about the voting system that effected change. Ultimately, and the site owner took all of them into account and mde a decision.
It was the comments about the voting system that effected change. Ultimately, and the site owner took all of them into account and mde a decision.
Shouldn't you also, then, eliminate/ ban users who post incorrect information/ answers?
IMO, a user posting incorrect information is much more 'dangerous' then a vote button.
I shall now reassess the post.Look again, son.
My post had no upvotes, so you are contravening the rules by reading it.
But seriously...
Yes 187 34.12%
No 243 44.34%
Like Button Only 99 18.07%
I don't understand how the conclusion was made that people wanted an upvote only based on the results of this poll. What kind of a weird election rigging is this?
34% wanted to remove the buttons completely.It does not mean that they wanted a Like Button Only. If they did, they would have voted for the Like Button Only option.
You cannot just lump the Yes and Like Button Only votes together and declare a winner and then instill a system whereby only 18% of the voters actually get what they wanted. What kind of a democracy is this? It's like being in some weird alternative dimension where 78% of people didn't actually get what they wanted.
¿Que?
I shall now reassess the post.
My post had no upvotes, so you are contravening the rules by reading it.
But seriously...
Yes 187 34.12%
No 243 44.34%
Like Button Only 99 18.07%
I don't understand how the conclusion was made that people wanted an upvote only based on the results of this poll. What kind of a weird election rigging is this?
34% wanted to remove the buttons completely.It does not mean that they wanted a Like Button Only. If they did, they would have voted for the Like Button Only option.
You cannot just lump the Yes and Like Button Only votes together and declare a winner and then instill a system whereby only 18% of the voters actually get what they wanted. What kind of a democracy is this? It's like being in some weird alternative dimension where 78% of people didn't actually get what they wanted.
¿Que?
Sorry, I never acknowledged it was a legitimate rule and thus cannot be bound to it.
There are already forum rules regarding that, and such posts should be reported:
Forum Rules - Instantly_Bannable_Offenses
Help:Rules for Appropriate Debate - Mac Guides
Yeah, despite our little sideshow earlier today, I have to admit that you're right. We've have a guy in the iMac sub-forum that claims 16:9 gives one more pixels than 16:10. I would ban the guy, or at least give him a really special custom title.
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Oh man, I didn't even know those rules existed. Looks like half the MBP sub-forum should be banned.
Well aware of that. Perhaps I should have added 'enforce'.
I bet it felt good to release some pent-up links. All this time in here must have cut into your copy/ past time.
I post links so people know my sources and so they know I'm not just stating my opinion, and so they can find answers themselves. As suggested many times, if that causes you grief, add me to your ignore list. And I don't copy/paste.
They are really annoying. We've removed them from the home page. Now lot's remove them from the posts. I thought that they would be a good idea at first, but now I don't think that? Why?
1) It's childish. This is a forum of adults and teenagers, not Kindergarden, let's try to act our own ages.
2) Any "anti-Apple" opinion gets a million arrow downs. Here is an example of how this would happen.
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Okay, I know it's not that extreme in most cases, but I've seen stuff similar to this since the vote buttons have been added. Here is a real example of this type of action.
3) People can rate there own posts. Cheating the system =
4) Maybe if arn doesn't want it completely removed we can be like Facebook, a like button, no dislike button.
I'll post anymore ideas as I think of them.
Bummer. Can't vote down your post anymore. Guess you'll be stuck at -154.
Seriously, if you're feelings are hurt from a -1, your parents never taught you about life's hardships and were too pampered.
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