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You're making a lot of assumptions about what millions of other people would be happy with.

I guess you are quantifying my description of "Those who would chose to go back" as Millions of people. That is an interesting observation since you don't seem to care about them.
 
I guess you are quantifying my description of "Those who would chose to go back" as Millions of people. That is an interesting observation since you don't seem to care about them.

You're right. I shouldn't have said millions. How many do you think it would be?
 
I guess you are quantifying my description of "Those who would chose to go back" as Millions of people. That is an interesting observation since you don't seem to care about them.

0.3% of iOS users would qualify as millions. :D
 
SakuraSuki-You guys are really have night degree of tolerance on Apple. You guys really do, but I do not.

Let me explain something that you seem to not understand.

Apple is like a woman we all love. Her eyebrows may not be perfect, her nose may be slightly crooked but we love her enough as a whole person that we overlook those things.

You on the other hand complain and complain how she isn't perfect and should be perfect. There is no changing her. Either live with it or move on. I assure you the "other" women (Android) that you think is so perfect isn't it either because you're still here.

All you are doing with your threads is insulting the woman we love.

I found that this example is really creepy as describe a corporation as woman. But as you aware, even couples aren't always happy with each other.
 
I found that this example is really creepy as describe a corporation as woman. But as you aware, even couples aren't always happy with each other.

Perfect example you made. You are not happy in the Apple relationship and refuse to leave. If you don't like it that's your right. Don't try and convince the rest of us who DO like it that it's no good.
 
1. So far iPhone has 2 size, 2 resolution. iPad has 2 size, 2 resolution as well. So far lots of App support from iOS 5 to iOS 7, so supporting multiple version does not make development any difficult.

2. Yes, you had the freedom not to upgrade. Certainly users should do their homework before upgrading, but that doesn't mean user should not be given an option of not having ability to downgrade. If user chose to downgrade and bad thing happen, then user get the blame.

No. Apple is protecting its consumers from doing something that would harm their phones.

"If user chose to downgrade and bad thing happen", then the company gets the blame.

iPhones are no longer sold in 2 sizes and 2 resolutions (save the iPhone 4S, which will be phased out next year). The iPad mini and normal iPad are two different products, and have been designed in a way where apps can be scaled that require little extra development, compared to Android devices that have totally incompatible sizes and resolutions.

Again, you should have done your homework, decided if you wanted the update or not, before choosing to, with all your freedom, to update.

The choice was totally yours, you made the wrong choice for yourself, and the only person you have to be mad at, is yourself.

If you don't like the way Apple runs its business, don't be offensive and and call them unamerican. That is a very narrow minded and uneducated viewpoint, not to mention pathetic. You can go to a different company. Hell, it's the land of opportunity, start your own company and show them hows it's done right, according to your terms.
 
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You consider that creepy? How about Football fans and the crazy things they do for the teams they love like get tattoos of the team's logo?

Creepy as well... I never understand the extreme love for one particular corporation, team or one single entity.
 
I found that this example is really creepy as describe a corporation as woman. But as you aware, even couples aren't always happy with each other.

I don't think he was actually claiming that Apple was a woman. That would be creepy.

No. I think he was using the idea to illustrate the need for compromise in life. I mentioned compromise myself, but must admit the "imperfect partner" meme is a perfect illustration.
 
Creepy as well... I never understand the extreme love for one particular corporation, team or one single entity.

That's fine. I don't quite understand why you complain so much about iOS and Apple but yet stick around to complain more instead of moving on.
 
Surely you could just have posted your OP in other large thread which is raging just now about this very topic, rather than look for attention of your own with a whole new thread?

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1644551/

Like I said earlier he likes starting threads like these when he gets bored. If was in his shoes I would have left and gotten another phone and not come back to these forums again unless I switched back to iOS again.
 
Ah yes, the good old strawman argument. Just pretend that the poster said "your device" instead of "software" like they actually said.



Copyright has been around for hundreds of years and is extremely important to society. Just because computers make it easy doesn't mean it's right to trample on other people's rights.
Before iOS the ability to downgrade was the norm and copyright was just fine.

I cannot install alternative os's and as a result apple really ends up owning the device too. Unless I never ever need to restore. Apple has taken away basic user rights that have been standards in computing.
 
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Before iOS the ability to downgrade was the norm.

I cannot install alternative os's and as a result apple really ends up owning the device too.

Before iPod, drag and drop to transfer your music collection was norm. Before iPhone removable battery with SD card slot is the norm.

Now everyone use none removable battery forcing you fork 99 dollar for a replacement battery...
 
If you have a fundamental right to choose your operating system just as we have freedom of speech, that would have to mean every person in the U.S. would be guaranteed an iPhone by the government, as you would be unable to exercise that guaranteed freedom with out one.

Sounds stupid, doesn't it?
 
Surely you could just have posted your OP in other large thread which is raging just now about this very topic, rather than look for attention of your own with a whole new thread?

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1644551/

Yes looking for attention so that people start realizes that it is not the right thing to do.

I suppose post this thread on none apple fan site. That might be better for my intention
 
Before iPod, drag and drop to transfer your music collection was norm. Before iPhone removable battery with SD card slot is the norm.

You're implying that was better for everyone, yes?

So why did things change? Did we all decide to make things worse for ourselves?
 
you can't buy a new 1990 car anymore either. Or go back in age a few years.
Apple has no obligation to allow you to install or re-install old software. You could always not update and lets not claim you didn't know an update was coming.

There are almost as many threads on this as on I hate ios 7 or Apple is doomed if they don't release a 7" phone.

Apple can do what Apple wants to do - you can do what you want to do and stop buying Apple products.
 
Ah yes, the good old strawman argument. Just pretend that the poster said "your device" instead of "software" like they actually said.



Copyright has been around for hundreds of years and is extremely important to society. Just because computers make it easy doesn't mean it's right to trample on other people's rights.

Even if Apple won the copyright of iOS so that it could choose blocking software downgrade, then I suppose Apple certainly don't have the power to dictating me on choice of operating system runs in the hardware.

Then I could suggest that I buy iPad because if I like the hardware not necessarily like iOS. I brought the hardware, so I have right to remove iOS install Android.
 
We have several mounted iPads that are used exclusively as Photo Frames and information kiosks. iOS 7 removed the Photo Frame from homescreen making the process decisively more difficult for us.
 
Not relevant since only newer devices are capable of installing IOS7.

Not relevant? Does changing 0.3% to 0.5% change the point in any way?

Before iOS the ability to downgrade was the norm and copyright was just fine.

Yep. Apple decided on different terms for this work.

I cannot install alternative os's and as a result apple really ends up owning the device too. Unless I never ever need to restore. Apple has taken away basic user rights that have been standards in computing.

:confused: You can install whatever OS you would like on iPhone hardware as long as you have permission of the copyright owner.
 
You're implying that was better for everyone, yes?

So why did things change? Did we all decide to make things worse for ourselves?

Am I implying that was better for everyone?

Use iTunes to manage everything certainly is beneficial for average user, but it also complicated simple job a bit. Before all you need to do was download music legal way or illegal way, then connect your MP3 players. Open internet explorer, then copy and past...

With iTunes. You need install iTunes first, then import everything to iTunes, then plug in your iPod, then choose which music to transfer. It is more automatic, but more complicated

Why did things change? Corporation greedy, technological improvement, people's change in desire and more. Some changes are good and some change are bad. But which is good and which is bad depends on people.

Some people believe abortion is good and some people believe abortion is evils some people believe internet is good, some people believe internet is evil

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Not relevant? Does changing 0.3% to 0.5% change the point in any way?



Yep. Apple decided on different terms for this work.



:confused: You can install whatever OS you would like on iPhone hardware as long as you have permission of the copyright owner.

Do I have to obtain permission from Lenovo to install Linux? Do I get a user agreement on hardware forbidden me install other operating system? Apple forbidden me install iOS on other device which I agree and Apple forbidden me install OS X on non apple device which also agree. But Apple have no way to restrict my right on install other OS in my hardware
 
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