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Can you justify Apple's restriction on rolling back to early iOS?

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SakuraSuki said:
Before iPod, drag and drop to transfer your music collection was norm. Before iPhone removable battery with SD card slot is the norm.

Now everyone use none removable battery forcing you fork 99 dollar for a replacement battery...
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price you pay for a more solid, sturdy device. a more beautiful device without lines. a thinner device with a larger battery.

and if the battery faults within warranty, they replace it for free.

juts leave apple. just go. you clearly don't like it and are bitter, and are devoting so much time, energy and effort to tell us all about it.

you may want to do yourself a favor and just leave apple and find something new to complain about.
 
SakuraSuki said:
Even if Apple won the copyright of iOS so that it could choose blocking software downgrade,
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Won? :confused:

then I suppose Apple certainly don't have the power to dictating me on choice of operating system runs in the hardware.
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Nope. They just control the features and distribution of their software.

Then I could suggest that I buy iPad because if I like the hardware not necessarily like iOS. I brought the hardware, so I have right to remove iOS install Android.
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Absolutely.
 
Arran said:
If you want "yes men" who all agree with you, that would be your best bet.
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If you go to other site like The verge, Pocketnow.com or something else, you will see entirely different world. At least there is debate, but here no.
 
SakuraSuki said:
Am I implying that was better for everyone?
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You tell me?

SakuraSuki said:
Use iTunes to manage everything certainly is beneficial for average user, but it also complicated simple job a bit. Before all you need to do was download music legal way or illegal way, then connect your MP3 players. Open internet explorer, then copy and past...

With iTunes. You need install iTunes first, then import everything to iTunes, then plug in your iPod, then choose which music to transfer. It is more automatic, but more complicated

Why did things change? Corporation greedy, technological improvement, people's change in desire and more. Some changes are good and some change are bad. But which is good and which is bad depends on people.

Some people believe abortion is good and some people believe abortion is evils some people believe internet is good, some people believe internet is evil
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There you go.
 
SakuraSuki said:
Do I have to obtain permission from Lenovo to install Linux?
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No. :confused:

Do I get a user agreement on hardware forbidden me install other operating system?
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No. :confused:

Apple forbidden me install iOS on other device which I agree and Apple forbidden me install OS X on non apple device which also agree. But Apple have no way to restrict my right on install other OS in my hardware
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Yep. Not sure why you think I disagree with that. :confused:
 
joejoejoe said:
price you pay for a more solid, sturdy device. a more beautiful device without lines. a thinner device with a larger battery.

and if the battery faults within warranty, they replace it for free.

juts leave apple. just go. you clearly don't like it and are bitter, and are devoting so much time, energy and effort to tell us all about it.

you may want to do yourself a favor and just leave apple and find something new to complain about.
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I buy I because I like the hardware, not necessary the software. That is certainly true for iPod. I absolutely hate iTunes, iTunes runs like absolute horror on Windows (that is before I went from PC to Mac).

So does iPad. I absolutely love the hardware, but iOS is bit stall for me. If I have choice, I will absolutely run Android on iPad.

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Arran said:
You tell me?



There you go.
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Depends on people, so give choice is good, isn't it?
 
I agree there should be freedom in os version.

Three isn't a logical reason preventing you from downgrading considering that you have the ability to not upgrade.
 
Arran said:
In an ideal world, yes.

But this isn't one.

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If they're clever enough to figure out how to do it, of course! It shouldn't be that difficult since all computers are essentially the same thing. All ones and zeroes.
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People able to install different OS on Android devices, partly because OEM opens up their hardware and source code for their hardware. Without detail source code for the processor and other hardware, it is nearly impossible to get things running correctly.

Of course it is not the interest of Apple to open up their hardware and enable the possibility on install Android on iOS devices.

The main reason I ask you guys is that if it is perfectly fine for install Android OS on iDevice, the it should always fine for user to install earlier version of iOS if users choice to. If there is no directly downgrade path, since user should have freedom of using OS if their choice, them user should allowed to install earlier iOS as full install.
 
OneMike said:
I agree there should be freedom in os version.

Three isn't a logical reason preventing you from downgrading considering that you have the ability to not upgrade.
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Sure there is. Apple doesn't want to distribute and support older software versions. The less time Apple has to deal with iOS 6, the more time they have for current and future versions.
 
SakuraSuki said:
The main reason I ask you guys is that if it is perfectly fine for install Android OS on iDevice, the it should always fine for user to install earlier version of iOS if users choice to. If there is no directly downgrade path, since user should have freedom of using OS if their choice, them user should allowed to install earlier iOS as full install.
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That doesn't follow at all. :confused:
 
BaldiMac said:
Sure there is. Apple doesn't want to distribute and support older software versions. The less time Apple has to deal with iOS 6, the more time they have for current and future versions.
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Actually they do. Devices that are unable to upgrade still run older versions of iOS and are still supported. Your point is moot.
 
BaldiMac said:
Sure there is. Apple doesn't want to distribute and support older software versions. The less time Apple has to deal with iOS 6, the more time they have for current and future versions.
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Well it is true. But it also show how much Apple takes care their customer. Microsoft supported their OS for long time. They just stopped supporting Windows XP.

It is possible for Apple still support Mac OS X snow leopard, I don't see why they cannot do the same for iOS...

You don't need brig Android support. Yes, majority Android support sucks and Apple excel on that... But that not means Apple is perfect
 
macsrcool1234 said:
Actually they do. Devices that are unable to upgrade still run older versions of iOS and are still supported. Your point is moot.
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That doesn't make my point moot. Allowing downgrades would increase the amount of time that they would have to support older versions and increase fragmentation for apps to deal with. Assuming that there was a significant enough demand for downgrades to make it worthwhile to allow them.
 
BaldiMac said:
That doesn't follow at all. :confused:
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OK...

If it is perfectly legal for me to install Android on iPad, then it is perfectly legal for me to install earlier version of iOS as well.

The reason you cannot install Android on iDevice is because there is no possible way for developers to write driver. Without driver support, it is pointless to install Android on iDevice,

However, iOS 6 is perfectly designed for iDevice, so user should able to load iOS 6 on its own. In fact the only thing preventing people install old version is the digital signing. So in a way, Apple restrict people install OS of their choice on their hardware.

As other people point out, Apple does not stop signing earlier version of iOS for old hardware, Apple should nor stop signing for newer hardware as well.
 
SakuraSuki said:
OK...

If it is perfectly legal for me to install Android on iPad, then it is perfectly legal for me to install earlier version of iOS as well.

The reason you cannot install Android on iDevice is because there is no possible way for developers to write driver. Without driver support, it is pointless to install Android on iDevice,

However, iOS 6 is perfectly designed for iDevice, so user should able to load iOS 6 on its own. In fact the only thing preventing people install old version is the digital signing. So in a way, Apple restrict people install OS of their choice on their hardware.

As other people point out, Apple does not stop signing earlier version of iOS for old hardware, Apple should nor stop signing for newer hardware as well.
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Even if everyone here agrees with that, it still doesn't mean anything as it is up to Apple to do it if/when they decide to do it. And even if everyone disagrees with that, the same still applies.
 
SakuraSuki said:
Well it is true. But it also show how much Apple takes care their customer. Microsoft supported their OS for long time. They just stopped supporting Windows XP.

It is possible for Apple still support Mac OS X snow leopard, I don't see why they cannot do the same for iOS...
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Exactly my point. Those older OS's are still supported because so many people are still using them. iOS 6 had a 95% adoption rate in less than a year.

You don't need brig Android support. Yes, majority Android support sucks and Apple excel on that... But that not means Apple is perfect
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:confused: Who brought up Android support or said Apple is perfect? Artie MacStrawman?
 
BaldiMac said:
That doesn't make my point moot. Allowing downgrades would increase the amount of time that they would have to support older versions and increase fragmentation for apps to deal with. Assuming that there was a significant enough demand for downgrades to make it worthwhile to allow them.
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It actually OK... Most App developer support OS down to iOS 5... So it really doesn't hurt developer that much.

They don't need support older version of iOS. The older hardware doesn't run iOS 7 do not get support anyway. So if user choice to install iOS 6 on their own, Apple is not obligated to support old iOS.
 
SakuraSuki said:
If it is perfectly legal for me to install Android on iPad, then it is perfectly legal for me to install earlier version of iOS as well.
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No, it's not. Android's license allows for it. Apple's does not. Pretty simple.
 
BaldiMac said:
Exactly my point. Those older OS's are still supported because so many people are still using them. iOS 6 had a 95% adoption rate in less than a year.



:confused: Who brought up Android support or said Apple is perfect? Artie MacStrawman?
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But look at this way, if iOS gets 95% of users, that means only minority of users does not upgrade. It either because they could not or because they are unwilling to do so.

For the first case, regardless Apple open downgrade or not, those people aren't going to get support anyway. For second case, if they willing to stay in older version of OS, they might also accept not getting support.
 
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