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iPhone 17 Pro Can’t believe Apple released an iPhone Pro that feels this cheap.
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I could barely look at my 17 pro max, let alone touch it prior to getting it into a case. It's just soooooo cheap looking. I even closed my eyes and wore gloves before I got it in my Spigen case.
Regular iPhones did and no one complained about sturdiness.
They did - they learned how poorly titanium dissipated heat so they replaced it with an aluminium unibody and the vapor chamber.
It must’ve been horrible. Sorry you had to go through that.
17 Pro Max user here and it certainly does not feel cheap. Furthermore, it looks more utilitarian, you know, professional.
Meanwhile all of the MacBook Pro models are aluminum, the iPad Pros are aluminum. But now that your iPhone Pro isn’t shiny or made with some exotic sounding metal, it’s cheap. Also, as I stated above, this is the first year where it feels like Apple decided function over form. The design is very clearly done to increase performance across the board. And it still looks premium and feels solid.
*Apple_Robert, that comment wasn’t directed at you or your comment. I’m in agreement with your comment.
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I tried letting it drive and now I’m in the ditch with smoke pouring out of the engine.
Driven by Apple Intelligence is a lot scarier than it sounds.
While I do believe the materials look somewhat less premium than last year's model, you can't have it both ways here. I think the trade offs are worth it for improved sustained performance.
The switch to aluminum does in fact, show to be a marked improvement with thermals in testing.
Snipped but (in relation to the testing): "In comparison, when you run the same test on the iPhone 16 Pro Max, there is a huge drop in performance. Its stability score is merely 65%, much worse than the 81% on the iPhone.
The performance of the 17 Pro Max was so high here, that it beat out a dedicated gaming phone and the reviewer questioned the need for gaming phones in general now.
Did the iPhone 17 Pro just kill all gaming phones?
The iPhone 17 Pro is now so good in sustained performance that we kind of no longer need gaming phones.
www.phonearena.com
Cool, now show the results with titanium/glass design with vapor chamberWhile I do believe the materials look somewhat less premium than last year's model, you can't have it both ways here. I think the trade offs are worth it for improved sustained performance.
The switch to aluminum does in fact, show to be a marked improvement with thermals in testing.
Snipped but (in relation to the testing): "In comparison, when you run the same test on the iPhone 16 Pro Max, there is a huge drop in performance. Its stability score is merely 65%, much worse than the 81% on the iPhone.
The performance of the 17 Pro Max was so high here, that it beat out a dedicated gaming phone and the reviewer questioned the need for gaming phones in general now.
Did the iPhone 17 Pro just kill all gaming phones?
The iPhone 17 Pro is now so good in sustained performance that we kind of no longer need gaming phones.
As in-- a nonexistent iPhone model? The response I gave was in comparison to 2 existing iPhone models year after year since the comparison I was responding to said it was a "poor choice" to move to aluminum. That test does actually show an Android phone in there as well though.
Aluminum dissipates heat better than titanium-- it's just factual.
"Aluminum, with a thermal conductivity of 210 W/m-K, outperforms Titanium, which has a thermal conductivity of just 17.0 W/m-K
Aluminum Vs Titanium - Redstone Manufacturing®
This article provides an analytical comparison between aluminum and titanium, two prominent metals in industries such as aerospace and manufacturing. It examines their elemental composition, thermal and electrical conductivity, weight, corrosion resistance, and machinability. The discussion also...
redstonemanufacturing.com
Is it also cheaper ?As in-- a nonexistent iPhone model? The response I gave was in comparison to 2 existing iPhone models year after year since the comparison I was responding to said it was a "poor choice" to move to aluminum. That test does actually show an Android phone in there as well though.
Aluminum dissipates heat better than titanium-- it's just factual.
"Aluminum, with a thermal conductivity of 210 W/m-K, outperforms Titanium, which has a thermal conductivity of just 17.0 W/m-K
Aluminum Vs Titanium - Redstone Manufacturing®
This article provides an analytical comparison between aluminum and titanium, two prominent metals in industries such as aerospace and manufacturing. It examines their elemental composition, thermal and electrical conductivity, weight, corrosion resistance, and machinability. The discussion also...
Well this isn’t true. I knocked my 17 Pro Max off at least a 4” deck railing and not only did it not bend, it didn’t scratch. People use ridiculous hyperbole every year and invent some new “-gate” regarding the iPhone.
No one is disputing the relative thermal properties of titanium and aluminum on paper.As in-- a nonexistent iPhone model? The response I gave was in comparison to 2 existing iPhone models year after year since the comparison I was responding to said it was a "poor choice" to move to aluminum. That test does actually show an Android phone in there as well though.
Aluminum dissipates heat better than titanium-- it's just factual.
"Aluminum, with a thermal conductivity of 210 W/m-K, outperforms Titanium, which has a thermal conductivity of just 17.0 W/m-K
Aluminum Vs Titanium - Redstone Manufacturing®
This article provides an analytical comparison between aluminum and titanium, two prominent metals in industries such as aerospace and manufacturing. It examines their elemental composition, thermal and electrical conductivity, weight, corrosion resistance, and machinability. The discussion also...
My point is that, with so many generational changes (new silicon, new power management, new vapor chamber, new aluminum unibody), the fact that the new iPhone thermally performs better than the last does not prove the move to aluminum was necessary to achieve a majority of those gains.
No one knows what the thermal performance would’ve been like had Apple changed all of those same variables except the build materials. The titanium was only used on the outer edge of the device, and over 70% of users fully encase their devices in rubber and plastic. Insulated like a koozie. How much thermal improvement is the aluminum outer shell making to them? How much of the thermal improvement is from the many other factors that changed? Why are Android flagships able to achieve excellent thermal performance with titanium/glass and vapor chamber if the aluminum unibody is so key to the implementation?
Look past the marketing and think critically.
The colors of the Pros are awesome, but of course our tastes are not the same... just imagine if we all had the same taste, how dull would that be?
Drop it on grass and of course it’s fine. Drop it from 4’ onto concrete and watch the damage and even warping.
Yeah I quite fancy the Deep Blue. I compared to my buddies titanium 15 Pro in Blue, I the Deep Blue is much richer, more dynamic in different lighting and angles. Sometimes it appears almost black, others, quite blue. I love it.
Same here. Looks like Apple has decided to go with performance over looks. And it makes senses of course. That’s why Apple also released the premium looking Air.
You can't be serious.
Their issue wasn't titanium poorly dissipating heat. It was the back glass. Side rails are not meant to cool your chip in the first place, not to mention that titanium is orders of magnitude better heat conductor than glass (which was the problematic part, not titanium.) And "issue" is a strong word. Their Air is thinner than any Pro, doesn't have any vapour chamber and still manages to match base 17 in (sustained) performance.
To add to that, performance gain 15Pro --> 16Pro was actually bigger than with 17Pro --> 18Pro. And if you want to go even further, their vapour chamber on 17Pro is not actually connected to A19Pro chip in any meaningful way. It's predominantly cooling the battery. In turn, as we already saw in practice, sustained performance is not bad but certainly not astonishing, groundbreaking, or anything beyond what are their usual year to year improvements.