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Carrier IQ Logging Software Found on Many Mobile Phones
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Just read the article already? It's not about whether iOS/WindowsPhone7/Android/BBOS is safe or not. It is about the networks adding stuff like this in almost all phones to get user behaviour & information and what not.
And as far as I can see, Apple doesn't allow anything like that. It only allows actual diagnostic data including location instead of user behaviour or information. Please read carefully.
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Cool. Correct me if I'm wrong; you would actually need your iPhone to be jailbroken to SSH into it right?
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Thanks for the info.
And as far as I can see, Apple doesn't allow anything like that. It only allows actual diagnostic data including location instead of user behaviour or information. Please read carefully.
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Cool. Correct me if I'm wrong; you would actually need your iPhone to be jailbroken to SSH into it right?
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Thanks for the info.
"As far as you can see" doesn't count for much. Apple has too big of an incentive to do exactly the same thing as any other phone manufacturer. Or maybe they just do it "by accident." It's not wrong or even morally objectionable really, it's just business.
This. I don't care that this software isn't (allegedly) sending this information back home to sell to advertisers, the carriers, or whoever. It's that fact that the OEMs installed a keylogger on my phone to begin with. Wouldn't you be extremely upset if Apple installed a keylogger on your computer? This means that all your emails, passwords, credit card numbers, social security number, whatever you type is now in some file (potentially unecrypted) that can be stolen by a malicious user and used for whatever reasons.
All right. I get it.
Thanks
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Good grief. You still didn't read the article and follow other stories on the Internet?
Seriously, when trying to confront people, gather your sources and information so that you need not bow your head with every fatuous comment.
Please.
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All that matters to me is:
There is no CIQ on stock Android.
There is no CIQ on my Nexus phones.
There is no CIQ on AOSP builds of Android (like Cyanogenmod on my ZTE Blade)
The real fury should be directed at Sprint (Verizon have said they don't use CIQ), HTC, Samsung and CIQ themselves. Their monitoring software has no place monitoring half of what it does. The plain text SMS logs and HTTPS logging is absolutely appalling.
I hope that the full truth comes out over every aspect of what this software is doing comes out and who is using it.
All that matters to me is:
There is no CIQ on stock Android.
There is no CIQ on my Nexus phones.
There is no CIQ on AOSP builds of Android (like Cyanogenmod on my ZTE Blade)
The real fury should be directed at Sprint (Verizon have said they don't use CIQ), HTC, Samsung and CIQ themselves. Their monitoring software has no place monitoring half of what it does. The plain text SMS logs and HTTPS logging is absolutely appalling.
I hope that the full truth comes out over every aspect of what this software is doing comes out and who is using it.
All that matters is that they are screwing people while saying they are fluffy and pointing fingers at Apple.
Talk about droid-aid ....
Another WIN for the Android platform. My HTC is flashed with a custom ROM without any of that horse-hockey.
Open source FTW.
Open source FTW.
I don't get why HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola, Sony and others have to bow down before carriers and totally SCREW with the phones operating system.
Why do none of those guys at some point say "No, your bloatware CRAP has no place on our phones or bogging down the customers experience."
The carriers and manufacturers both need eachother.
Thank god for being able to buy most of the phones outside of the carrier; unbranded, unlocked, unbloated and most importantly; NO CONTRACT.
Only in the the most delusional Android fan dreams can it be called a win that someone would have to root a phone and flash the ROM to remove a legally questionable rootkit sanctioned by the service provider and OEM.
Seriously. Some of us want a phone, not a weekend hobby.
On Android (and Symbian, etc), It's got nothing to do with Google and everything to do with carriers. Basically, this software has been added by carriers into the custom firmware they ship on their phones. Vanilla Android doesn't have it and UK phones don't have it (it would probably be illegal over here).
This is one area that Apple have more control over than other manufacturers: They don't allow carriers to customise the firmware and that's most likely the reason there's no keylogging on iOS
In summary, it's not Google doing this, it's not Samsung, HTC, or other manufacturers: it's the US Carriers
So some clarification,
A closer look at the video seems to show that it's not really "keylogging", as originally indicated in the title.
- It's recording received text messages
- It's recording urls that you visit (https://www.google.com?query=my+search+term")
- It's recording physical button presses (home button etc...)
- It's recording virtual numeric keypad presses
As far as I can tell it's not recording every virtual keyboard press.
sorry for the confusion,
arn
A closer look at the video seems to show that it's not really "keylogging", as originally indicated in the title.
- It's recording received text messages
- It's recording urls that you visit (https://www.google.com?query=my+search+term")
- It's recording physical button presses (home button etc...)
- It's recording virtual numeric keypad presses
As far as I can tell it's not recording every virtual keyboard press.
sorry for the confusion,
arn
Seriously. Some of us want a phone, not a weekend hobby.
This, on a tech news site, is comical.
Some of us want a phone, that we can tinker with to OUR liking, not steve jobs' liking.
/RANT
It seems to me that when a company has intentionally invaded privacy and broke the law in the process, the result shouldn't be some warm and fuzzy legislative hearing, but prosecution for organized crime. (Here in the UK it appears that there have been widespread violation of privacy laws by newspapers, yet precious few have been arrested, charged and convicted.) If CIQ has violated the law, then I hope those in the company who are responsible serve serious jail time.
RANT/
In any case, I think this highlights how much conflict of interest there among some phone manufacturers, network carriers, and software companies in who they consider to be the 'customer'. This kind of thing makes Android seem even less appealing to me (GMail as well).
It seems to me that when a company has intentionally invaded privacy and broke the law in the process, the result shouldn't be some warm and fuzzy legislative hearing, but prosecution for organized crime. (Here in the UK it appears that there have been widespread violation of privacy laws by newspapers, yet precious few have been arrested, charged and convicted.
) If CIQ has violated the law, then I hope those in the company who are responsible serve serious jail time.RANT/
In any case, I think this highlights how much conflict of interest there among some phone manufacturers, network carriers, and software companies in who they consider to be the 'customer'. This kind of thing makes Android seem even less appealing to me (GMail as well).
Then you've chose the wrong company. That isn't Apple's philosophy anymore, and because of that, it has allowed them to make products which are insanely popular.
I never understood people who continue to hang around banging on about this sort of stuff that is just inherently against Apple's stance. Apple aren't trying to be this way, nor want to be this way, just be happy with the platform you have.
It has nothing to do with being on a technology site.
My HTC Wildfire S on 3 doesn't have carrier IQ on it, going by the running process list...