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Carrier IQ Logging Software Found on Many Mobile Phones
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What? Tell me when it wasn't ... Somehow i haven't heard them saying 'look guys were are logging most of what you do on your phone, so that we are on the same page we are informing you ...'
It's always about honesty and moral.
I was expecting something like this from the day one. You can shove this "freedom".
The beauty of this "freedom" is that you're free to not participate in it.
Why all the anger ?
Obviously not, but there have been mobile phone games written for Symbian and J2ME since the early 00s. These were sold on online stores accessible from your cellphone (where you could also purchase ringtones and wallpapers).
I can not believe PCWorld says "While this doesn't sound all that bad by itself..."
WHAT? Logging every keystroke doesn't seem all that bad?
Would it not sound "all that bad" if the camera and mic were on 24 x 7 recording everything?
WHAT? Logging every keystroke doesn't seem all that bad?
Would it not sound "all that bad" if the camera and mic were on 24 x 7 recording everything?
As clarified by Arn, this doesn't log every keystroke.
And yes, it's still bad. Just like Apple's location database was bad. Any breach of privacy by these data collection kits is bad.
Yup, okay… I think you guys are missing the point…
With a tap of my finger, my iPhone becomes a GPS navigation system, or a remote for my home theatre, or a voice recorder, or a camera, or a spirit level, or a cook book, or a personal trainer, or one of the best handheld gaming devices on the planet… I could of course go on and on. Can someone please explain to me again how this device has removed all my freedom??
Due to all the flip-flopping you've done with it being about:
People pointing fingers at apple
To it being Google's fault:
Moving on to it being Open source software's fault and a lack of requirements to use OSS:
Jerome Morrow said:
To then be about honesty and morals:
Then "freedom" - which I assume is sarcasm
I'm getting very confused so I'll politely cease dialogue with you. I hope you don't mind.
Open source is not about your freedom to perform tasks, it's about the freedom of making modifications and fixing the software you use to perform those tasks to better suit you.
Why you think anyone was making an argument that an iPhone is not a flexible platform really puzzles me. No one made that argument.
Keep the Bastards Honest
In Australia we have a political party called the Australian Democrats. Their policy is that they're there to keep the bastards (Read politicians) honest. We really need something like that for technology.
Anyways. I've been seeing a lot of people talking about Samsung being at fault here. My Galaxy S2 is stock from my carrier (Telstra), and I can't find it in my phone.
Just to double check, on Android you go Setting -> Applications -> Running and look for something like Carrier IQ/IQRD/Something of the sort?
Thanks
-Leaping
In Australia we have a political party called the Australian Democrats. Their policy is that they're there to keep the bastards (Read politicians) honest. We really need something like that for technology.
Anyways. I've been seeing a lot of people talking about Samsung being at fault here. My Galaxy S2 is stock from my carrier (Telstra), and I can't find it in my phone.
Just to double check, on Android you go Setting -> Applications -> Running and look for something like Carrier IQ/IQRD/Something of the sort?
Thanks
-Leaping
Like a lot of posters around here, he's moving goal posts to always paint what Apple does in a good light and what everyone else is doing in a bad light. Best ignore all those posters.
I think you are naive. You have two different types of companies involved here. You have Apple who makes money from selling devices, and Google who makes money from selling information. Apple has clearly stated their view on privacy and they have even fought Google to keep them from downloading personal information from iPhones with Google voice when it was submitted. Google has made their privacy views clear too. Their founder has made comments about large digital footprints and he thinks most information should be available. I don't think he believes in privacy.
I beg to differ
This is the kind of rhetoric I was replying to. I thought that was pretty obvious from my original comment. If you want to make balanced comments regarding open source and proprietary software, go for your life!
That comment was not about the flexibility of the controlled platform itself though, it was like I said, a comment on how Open source enables you to extend it yourself, support it yourself (when the vendor ultimately abandons it) and grow it yourself in another direction (when the vendor decides your needs are not his concern anymore).
You simply don't seem to understand what "Freedom" means in the context of the open source philosophy. That's fine, but understand why others are not quite getting where you're trying to go when you've just deviated way off course.
There are potentially bigger issues at stake whether or not you agreed to any TOS.
There are compliance issues.
IE - for the Healthcare industry - there's HIPAA. And governance for electronic medical records, etc. If Apple and/or Carrier IQ is not following compliance they are breaking serious laws and could be fined extensively. Same thing for credit cards and PCI compliance.
There are compliance issues.
IE - for the Healthcare industry - there's HIPAA. And governance for electronic medical records, etc. If Apple and/or Carrier IQ is not following compliance they are breaking serious laws and could be fined extensively. Same thing for credit cards and PCI compliance.
iOS and OSX are built on open source. In fact, a great deal of software is built upon open source components - reduces time and development costs - probably more than you actually realize ( including a vast number of those applications you find in the Mac AppStore and iTunes AppStore ). Some developers really enjoy working on o/s projects in their own time.
Asking yourself "is open source still worth it" based upon a single incident is a gross over reaction.
Opensource will always 'be worth it' for the long time future.
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Not to mention this is an issue with more than Android, so I don't really see how it has anything to do with Android. It was also found on RIM's and Nokia's closed platforms.
Open source in this case enables you to do something about it though. You can run a custom ROM like Chaz has pointed out, retaining your apps and functionality but removing this malware entirely from the equation.
I can't directly prove it. However, simple logic will confirm it for you. European iPhones run the exact same firmware as American iPhones. If its in an American iPhone, its in an European iPhone, its in an Australian iPhone, its even on those iPhone on board the ISS. Same thing with some Android builds, although maybe not the exact same firmware, they do contain CarrierIQ. Nokia, an European phone maker, has is within their phones as well.
Nokia have flatly denied using CIQ http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/1/2602502/nokia-none-of-our-devices-have-ever-used-carrier-iq
As have VzW except.....
https://plus.google.com/u/0/106631699076927387965/posts/GFDBYFvXbKh
Russell Holly said: