Case Maker Expecting Smaller Apple Pencil for Upcoming 2019 iPhones

[timmyyak]

Wrong. I suggest you look at the dozen or so quotes Steve made regarding using a stylus and stop trying to build a case out of only one quote. Steve was very clearly talking about requiring a stylus, not the concept of a stylus in general.

Instead of trying to say everyone is wrong, why don't you provide proof of these quotes? Proof is all you need to set people straight.

I wonder if some of you were even born when phones had a stylus. On any phone that I owned the stylus was not the only thing that controlled the UI. My finger worked as well.

 

[macduke]

I think it's fine to have the iPhone support Apple Pencil. But to make a special little stylus just for the iPhone? I feel really weird about that. I don't think a stylus is better for general use, and I can't imagine writing on a little phone display is a very nice user experience. The Apple Pencil has really good ergonomics and that kinda goes out the door when you make a tiny, thin stylus.

 

[apolloa]

Jobs hated styli used for navigation - Apple Pencil is a creative tool.

You just keep telling yourself that to defend Apple here.
Most people will remember Steve’s persistence talk of hating the stylus and will see the hypocrisy from apple, not that that’s anything new..
Also really not sure what ‘creativity’ you believe dan be done on a 5.8” screen??

Sometimes context matters. Do you know what a stylus was used for when Jobs made that quote? Navigating a touch screen UI on a resistive screen. Capacitive screens, multitouch and a UI designed 100% for touch replaced that. That remains true even if they add a stylus to augment the functions of the phone. Please don’t reference quotes you don’t understand.

I had several so yes I do know, but don’t try and move the goalposts here, it will be pure Apple hypocrisy defended by that hard core, and it IS a stylus as you can control the device with it!
Also we had UIs designed for 100% touch before the iPhone.

 

[realtuner]

Instead of trying to say everyone is wrong, why don't you provide proof of these quotes? Proof is all you need to set people straight.

I wonder if some of you were even born when phones had a stylus. On any phone that I owned the stylus was not the only thing that controlled the UI. My finger worked as well.

Been done numerous times in numerous threads by myself and others. Yet people still post the same lies despite previously being corrected. What does that tell you about those posters?

 

[definitive]

pshh, who needs a stylus when you have ten fingers?

 

[realtuner]

You just keep telling yourself that to defend Apple here.
Most people will remember Steve’s persistence talk of hating the stylus and will see the hypocrisy from apple, not that that’s anything new..
Also really not sure what ‘creativity’ you believe dan be done on a 5.8” screen??



I had several so yes I do know, but don’t try and move the goalposts here, it will be pure Apple hypocrisy defended by that hard core, and it IS a stylus as you can control the device with it!
Also we had UIs designed for 100% touch before the iPhone.

Which UIs and devices did we have that were 100% designed for touch?

And you’re still wrong about what Steve said. Interesting you don’t want to back up any of your claims with actual quotes.

 

[Jim Lahey]

Trolling for the brand exposure in the media? I’d never heard of it before now...

 

[Focusx0131]

Yuck! Ditch the pencil and store the 3.5mm headphone adaptor.

Hear me out...what if they brought back the 3.5 jack that doubles as stylus storage?!?

 

[subjonas]

However, charging it is another question completely... No way they'll have room inside the phone to store it like the Galaxy Note, but I can't see them going with the magnetic attachment on the side either. It's Apple so I'm sure they will come up with something clever, but my mind is racing with the different possibilities.

Apple might make their own phone case with a pencil sleeve, and the phone may wirelessly charge the pencil like it will airpods. This will be necessary because the battery life probably won’t be nearly as long as the regular pencil.

 

[mrr]

pshh, who needs a stylus when you have ten fingers?

Using your fingers to Draw, Paint or Design without a pen or pencil device is like finger painting at best.

 

[richinaus]

Instead of trying to say everyone is wrong, why don't you provide proof of these quotes? Proof is all you need to set people straight.

I wonder if some of you were even born when phones had a stylus. On any phone that I owned the stylus was not the only thing that controlled the UI. My finger worked as well.

Er no it didn’t. I had plenty of windows devices before the iPhone came out and it was always using the stylus to navigate as the os was simply not designed well for finger use.
The iPhone was a game changer and was designed for finger use only, hence his famous quote.
The pencil is a creative tool - not a navigation device. Massive difference and very obvious.

 

[Johnny London]

“Over the course of years, iPhone has come a long way...” Next keynote.

 

[Jim Lahey]

I wish people would let go of Steve Jobs’ statements. If Apple had stayed in 2007 they’d be out of business in 2019. Times change. Nothing stays the same.

 

[Gasu E.]

Makes me wonder... When fans and suppliers start swinging for the fences with ideas like this, I wonder how much attention Apples gives it.

What idea? "Pencil on an iPhone" from some third-party case designer doesn't qualify as a new, creative, or innovative idea; there's nothing in it to "inspire" Apple to do something. I'm 100% sure that "pencil on an iPhone" has come up in internal discussions within Apple at least 1,000 times before; and whether or not it ever happens will not be affected by some leaked conceptual art from a case-maker.

 

[brinary001]

Apple might make their own phone case with a pencil sleeve, and the phone may wirelessly charge the pencil like it will airpods. This will be necessary because the battery life probably won’t be nearly as long as the regular pencil.

Omg I completely forgot about the two-way wireless charging that's coming this year as well!!! I guarantee that's how they'll charge it then. Just flip your phone over, drop the pencil on it, and boom. Instant pairing and charging.

 

[paradox00]

I had several so yes I do know, but don’t try and move the goalposts here, it will be pure Apple hypocrisy defended by that hard core, and it IS a stylus as you can control the device with it!
Also we had UIs designed for 100% touch before the iPhone.

I can only speak for myself, but my interpretation of that quote has never changed. Having used a palm pilot in retail, I understood this innately. Sure, some devices were made for touch, but it wasn’t the norm.

But don’t take my word for it. Here’s an article about Windows Mobile, two years after the iPhone launch:

Windows Mobile 6.1 is saddled with a user interface that was not really designed for finger use. Windows Mobile touchscreen devices are designed to be used with a stylus, rather than a finger, and some Windows Mobile devices do not even have touchscreens at all, resulting in a UI with lots of small buttons and menus—and none of the touch features (such as touch-based scrolling with inertia) that users now expect. Windows Mobile 6.5 replaces these old interfaces with a system designed for touch.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009/02/ballmer-windows-mobile-65-phones-are-just-windows-phones/

The only hypocrisy is coming from people who think that an out of context quote about a 3.5” device is relevant when discussing a 6”+ device more than a decade later.

 

[JPack]

I wish people would let go of Steve Jobs’ statements. If Apple had stayed in 2007 they’d be out of business in 2019. Times change. Nothing stays the same.

Jobs also said in 2010 no one would buy a big phone because "you can't get your hand around it."

He's been wrong more than a few times.

 

[44267547]

Using your fingers to Draw, Paint or Design without a pen or pencil device is like finger painting at best.

Yup. The finger doesn’t offer any Precision, that’s why a stylus/Apple Pencil can offer more exact pin points specifically what you’re trying to do, and makes writing/drawing/sketching much more accurate.

 

[apolloa]

I can only speak for myself, but my interpretation of that quote has never changed. Having used a palm pilot in retail, I understood this innately. Sure, some devices were made for touch, but it wasn’t the norm.

But don’t take my word for it. Here’s an article about Windows Mobile, two years after the iPhone launch:


https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009/02/ballmer-windows-mobile-65-phones-are-just-windows-phones/

The only hypocrisy is coming from people who think that an out of context quote about a 3.5” device is relevant when discussing a 6”+ device more than a decade later.

I think you’ll find your quoted ‘review’ is biased and one sided to suite your argument.
In the UK with had Sony Ericsson Symbian devices as well as Windows Mobile devices with full touch controls.
Their was a lot more choice other then Palm back in the day.... I was using an HTC built windows mobile for work before the iPhone.
Hence my opinion, and it still doesn’t change the ‘facts’ it is pure hypocrisy from Apple if they do this, no point in moving the goalposts because if Apple dose it, it’s magical and revolutionary, even though everyone else has been doing it for years..

Steve Jobs Jared the stylus and did not ever envision one being used with the iPhone.

 

[ColdShadow]

iPhone with mini Apple pencil...that would be AWESOME.
I'm iPhone ueser of course but had few versions of the excelllent Samsung Galaxy Note in betweenduring the past years last one being Note 9,the S-Pen on those was the major reason I kept buying them but sadly android could never satisfy me so always went back to iPhone after a while but always miss that S-Pen.
so a large iPhone with miniature Appe Pencil would be a dream coming true.
although I really doubt it will ever happen..and if they make it one day,they really should put the stylus inside the phone just like the Note series not in a case.

 

[bluespark]

I doubt Steve would have minded. Designing the iPhone without a stylus was critical to its early evolution, as this led to human-size buttons, made the device seem more approachable as a "phone," and accommodated everything anyone needed to or could do with an iPhone at that time. But apps have hugely evolved and most of those initial considerations have been achieved at this point. A stylus now makes perfect sense, where it would have been a terrible decision at that time.

 

[Tech198]

You can always make the argument "The screen is now big enough" to support.. Reality is one sides at a low screen size 3.5" but that moves the larger the screen arguably..

The iPad is one that never started off with the pencil either, but that changed when screen sizes got bigger with the iPad Pro (...and also reverse thinking later on)

different screen technology would play a part if the pencil was only available larger devices, , like the iPad Pro, which proves Apple just decided not to do it with iPhone.. perhaps resolution i guess.

 

[paradox00]

I think you’ll find your quoted ‘review’ is biased and one sided to suite your argument.
In the UK with had Sony Ericsson Symbian devices as well as Windows Mobile devices with full touch controls.
Their was a lot more choice other then Palm back in the day.... I was using an HTC built windows mobile for work before the iPhone.
Hence my opinion, and it still doesn’t change the ‘facts’ it is pure hypocrisy from Apple if they do this, no point in moving the goalposts because if Apple dose it, it’s magical and revolutionary, even though everyone else has been doing it for years..

Steve Jobs Jared the stylus and did not ever envision one being used with the iPhone.

Sorry, you can’t just get a pass by saying an article is biased. So was Jobs. So what? The article was pointing to the same interface flaws that Jobs was pointing to. These arguments aren’t the result of shifting goalposts, they’ve been there from the beginning. And guess what? History suggests those flaws were indeed real. The modern, finger first, touch interfaces of iOS and Android destroyed Windows Mobile, BB and others.

Apple wouldn’t be hypocritical to release a phone with an optional stylus just because you’ve misinterpreted Jobs quote from the beginning. It’s always been about UI design. Could you really argue that every screen on your Windows Mobile phone was designed for touch first?

 

[MarkB786]

Just recieved my Note 10 today. S-Pen is getting better and better. If Apple knocks it out of the park with the A- pen, I might start looking at the iPhone again in a couple of years.
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Jobs hated styli used for navigation - Apple Pencil is a creative tool.

Agree. Of course, someone canuse it for navigation too if they so desire. Watch some YouTube videos about the s-pen to get an idea about the potential functionality.

 

[nabourque57]

That was 12 years ago! Things have moved on a lot since then.If Jobs was still around, i doubt that he would be stuck in the past.Now is the time for Apple Pencil support.

Wrong