Case Maker Olixar Expects iPhone SE 2 to Have a Notch, But Apparent Lack of Home Button and Face ID Cast Doubts

[scoobydoo99]

I'd be fine with Apple making the SE2 as a "legacy" device w/ Touch ID, headphone jack, no wireless charging, and no 3d touch.

Honestly if Apple just went the iPad route and simply kept it 100% same just upgraded the processor by 2 generations I think most people would be pretty happy.

yep. the SE is our last refuge from the awful "innovations" that Apple dumps into its huge iPhones (e.g. - FaceID and 3D Touch). Plus, it has a camera that's flush with the back, flat sides that make it easy to hold, a lock button that's not placed in opposition to the volume buttons, and it is not feather light, so a gust of wind can't blow it out of my hand. The fact that Apple prices it lower than the inferior 8 and X is unbelievable! I'd pay $1000 for the SE, but I'm happy for Apple to give me a $650 discount!
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I just don’t believe the SE will look anything like this. This is nothing more than a render. The SE was intended as an affordable entry level priced iPhone as a global iPhone, this render would totally defeat the SE price point being a global iPhone meant for countries where other smart phones are overly expensive.

Price is irrelevant. The SE is a size that people want. I couldn't care less what it costs.

 

[44267547]

Price is irrelevant. The SE is a size that people want. I couldn't care less what it costs.

Incorrect. You don’t understand the point of the iPhone SE in the first place. It was a global phone that Apple intended to be for countries like India and China where smart phones are exorbitant in price and the cheaper price of the SE was meant to be affordable in countries to increase sales worldwide.

However, Apple did mention during the 2016 March Keynote that the SE was intended for those who did want a smaller iPhone, but the price was very _relevant_ as one of the main considerations why it does not have some of the latest technology. Regardless if you don’t care what it cost, others do where smart phones are not affordable for them.

 

[mikecorp]

I do not care about the notch. JUST KEEP THE DIMENSIONS SAME, and beef up the interior. I pay premium price for the cameras too. Just do not like the XXL race.

 

[MartyvH]

Including the feature on an iPhone that starts at just $349 would reduce Apple's gross margins and almost certainly cannibalize sales of the iPhone X at $999 and up.

But it doesn't have to be $349 for me. It would gladden my heart no end to see some new love from Apple for a small form factor and a X-style iPhone with the SE form factor I would just get on a carrier plan like millions of other people.
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Incorrect. You don’t understand the point of the iPhone SE in the first place....

There are dozens of good, cheap Android phones available. My Filipina girlfriend from a poor family on Mindanao has a 5.5" Vivo that was affordable for her on a Philippines wage. (She looked puzzled at my SE )

iPhone is a premium brand, not a cheap brand. The iPhone audience mostly expects premium. There are premium buyers in those markets. There is also quite enough room to differentiate with different form factors. Android is wall-to-wall giant phones. I wish that were different.

 

[x-evil-x]

Rounded screen corners and notch?! View attachment 761311
The only possibility of it replacing my current SE is if the headphone jack is retained as well as the price.

rounded corners are actually nice using the x for 8 months now. the notch you get used to and will never be nice to see
[doublepost=1526123205][/doublepost]Just because the notch is smaller doesnt mean it wont have faceID. Is the notch supposed to stay the same size for no reason even though technology progresses? It will continue to get smaller I believe.
If there is in fact a notch it will have faceID.
They might put Touch ID in the apple logo on the back(still holding onto this hope haha)

 

[Veinticinco]

Would be better if they simply kept the same sized screen as the current SE, and shrunk the casing around it to eliminate the bezels.

What a bizarre suggestion

You’re asking for a form factor SMALLER than the 4/5?! You are Donald Trump and I claim my $5!

 

[manu chao]

Why would there be a notch without Face ID? Makes no sense at all.

The notch [on the iPhone X] contains far more than FaceID. Any phone 'without' a bezel needs a notch for at least the front-facing camera and most likely also a speaker and proximity sensor. However, any phone without a bezel (but with biometric identification features) needs another place for them to go. This could be in a notch (with FaceID) but also on the back with a fingerprint sensor.

 

[apolloa]

It'd be nice if when a news thread were started based upon a previous one to have one line mention of credit - ha ha.



https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/full-screen-iphone-se2-predicted.2118327/
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Anyway back to the topic - my Mum has an SE (on my recommendation) she loves it and when released it packed a lot of punch for the price.

If by some miracle this prediction turns out to be true and the SE2 were to be full screen, then the screen will be much closer in size to that of the iPhone 6/7/8 but in a neater body size.

Despite having always had the flagship iPhone until now, I might be tempted by this.

As for the authentication, even with the smaller notch, I'd still have thought FaceID were more likely than under screen TouchID. You never know though and I'd absolutely prefer TouchID.

Surely they wouldn't release it without any biometric authentication?

More renders here claimed to be from CAD drawings sent to case manufacturers:

https://www.tigermobiles.com/leak
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I'm thinking along the same lines . . . the caveat being assuming the prediction pans out of course.
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Apple makes more than enough profit to make this at a reasonable price point should it choose to do so (however unlikely that may be).
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The 6 foot iPhone has been spotted in the wild - huge departure in design it seems - definite retro vibe . . . .

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Taking your point a litte further, a thin bezel top and bottom would give symmetry and avoid the notch. Combine that with an aspect ratio more suited to watching video and it's a winner.

Having said that I'd still potentially purchase the SE2 as rendered here.
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Your quote could be amended to say . . . "Has anyone actually looked carefully at the current TrueDepth module?"

It's a longshot, but they may have made advances in reducing the size.

Yes but your thread title didn’t present an ‘opinion’ as a ‘fact’ unlike this one...

Anyway the SE width is the exact same as the screen on there 6S, so unless they made it 2mm wider or something, the screen still won’t be as wide as the 6S 7 etc, but with a full front screen it will be significantly taller. And that makes a difference.

I think an SE2 will be launched at WWDC next month because of those registered model numbers announced the other day, and the claim that every time these numbers are registered new models are always launched within a couple of months after..

I still think we may see a full front screen Face ID update. Also if they still offer 128GB that’ll please a LOT of people.

 

[KeanosMagicHat]

Not sure what makes you think that. I guess we're both just going off of our impressions of the marketplace, and what we'd like to see happen, with no real hard data.

I think that because I might possibly be one of them and there are many others in this thread saying that a fullscreen SE2 would be their ideal iPhone.

I sincerely doubt we’re the only ones.

I’ve also read many articles in the tech press regarding people’s desire for a small form factor, fullscreen iPhone.
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. . . Anyway the SE width is the exact same as the screen on there 6S, so unless they made it 2mm wider or something, the screen still won’t be as wide as the 6S 7 etc . . .

I agree, but it would be, “much closer in size” than it is now, as I said.

 

[trunten]

Omg yes. I’d love an SE with a bigger edge to edge display and touchid under the display somehow. I’d buy that in a heartbeat

 

[Lioness~]

Face-ID on a SE?
Won't happen before 2020.

Just keep the great size.

 

[HarryWild]

Incorrect. You don’t understand the point of the iPhone SE in the first place. It was a global phone that Apple intended to be for countries like India and China where smart phones are exorbitant in price and the cheaper price of the SE was meant to be affordable in countries to increase sales worldwide.

However, Apple did mention during the 2016 March Keynote that the SE was intended for those who did want a smaller iPhone, but the price was very _relevant_ as one of the main considerations why it does not have some of the latest technology. Regardless if you don’t care what it cost, others do where smart phones are not affordable for them.

There will be two 4" versions is the latest rumor a 4" India model for the developing countries and a 5" model for the rest of the world! I be willing to pay up to $1,800 U.S. for a state of the art iPhone Mini X!

 

[manu chao]

Price is irrelevant. The SE is a size that people want. I couldn't care less what it costs.

Price is irrelevant to a subgroup of iPhone SE buyers. My guess is that it represents very much a minority of SE buyers.

 

[kazmac]

Price is irrelevant to a subgroup of iPhone SE buyers. My guess is that it represents very much a minority of SE buyers.

re: iPhones the less I have to spend going forward the better, especially since I do not want or need all the bells and whistles.

 

[apolloa]

I think that because I might possibly be one of them and there are many others in this thread saying that a fullscreen SE2 would be their ideal iPhone.

I sincerely doubt we’re the only ones.

I’ve also read many articles in the tech press regarding people’s desire for a small form factor, fullscreen iPhone.
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I agree, but it would be, “much closer in size” than it is now, as I said.

Yeap, I was in town today so tried the P20 Pro, couldn’t see the LG G7, anyway whilst it felt smaller then the behemoth 8 Plus, it is still a big screen at 6.1” without bezels, it’s a nice size but certainly not one handed at all, plus it’ll be big in the pocket. Hmmm let’s see what the new SE is like, fingers crossed for an all screen front.

 

[alpi123]

Why does nobody talk about the fact that Olixar once again leaked pictures of the SE2 with their case? It has the notch and a glass back.

 

[AZ63]

Have a good life on another operating system and brand! Headphone is not coming back, and Apple is finally going to unify the iPhone line, looks wise.

Apple would be needlessly saying goodbye to iPhones users who prefer the headphone jack for a whole host of reasons not the least among them being the additional cost to go wireless. Use ill fitting Apple headphones that hurt and don't stay in ears or enter the world of dongle hell. Thank you, no. I will go elsewhere when my 6s can no longer function.
It would be an unforced error on Apple's part.

 

[Colpeas]

Why would there be a notch without Face ID? Makes no sense at all.

It makes perfect sense, IMHO. The notch isn’t there just for FaceID, but rather because you need some space to accomodate the front facing camera and speakerphone. As far as i know, no one has managed to integrate those into the display yet. However, I cannot blame you for forgetting about it as hardly anyone uses their phones for calling nowadays...

Nonetheless, dropping biometrics and relying only on a passcode again would be a major step back.

 

[manu chao]

Apple would be needlessly saying goodbye to iPhones users who prefer the headphone jack for a whole host of reasons not the least among them being the additional cost to go wireless. Use ill fitting Apple headphones that hurt and don't stay in ears or enter the world of dongle hell. Thank you, no. I will go elsewhere when my 6s can no longer function.

If a dongle added to each of your headphone cables is causing you so much grief that you feel forced to go wireless, you must a serious dongle phobia.

(Or maybe your claim of being forced to pay to go wireless is just pure hyperbole that is merely a punchy way of lashing out at Apple for the inconvenience of having to deal with dongles.)
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It makes perfect sense, IMHO. The notch isn’t there just for FaceID, but rather because you need some space to accomodate the front facing camera and speakerphone. As far as i know, no one has managed to integrate those into the display yet. However, I cannot blame you for forgetting about it as hardly anyone uses their phones for calling nowadays...

Though I think the same point about hardly anyone using their phones for it nowadays cannot be made in regard to selfies. I also think that moving the speaker to the top edge (analogue as to how the bottom speaker is placed) is technically very possible, if at the cost of your surroundings hearing more of your phone conversation (funnelling sound through a very thin top bezel is probably also achievable).

It's the front-facing camera that I think is the hardest to make disappear visually even if their were no FaceID.

 

[apolloa]

I can imagine if the new SE had an all screen front and Touch ID somewhere Apple wouldn’t be able to meet demand!

Oh and for anyone believing KGI Securities over the new SE, they also claimed no new SE will be launched this year, which is a complete contrast to what everyone else is now saying. And it was also only their opinion on this.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/29/kuo-casts-doubt-on-iphone-se-2/

 

[qtx43]

I think that because I might possibly be one of them and there are many others in this thread saying that a fullscreen SE2 would be their ideal iPhone.

I sincerely doubt we’re the only ones.

I’ve also read many articles in the tech press regarding people’s desire for a small form factor, fullscreen iPhone.

Lots of people comment that they like the SE form factor just as it is also. I sincerely doubt we're the only ones. But this is all anecdotal. I will admit that Apple in general is moving their products away from what I would like to buy. I've got no use for the touch bar, or all in ones. I already switched from the mini to a NUC for my desktop a couple of years ago. So who knows? I've been using Apple computers since the IIe, maybe that will change.

 

[umbilical]

I'm sick to wait for a new SE, I'm with a 5s!
I hate big phones, I need a new small phone.

 

[BornAgainApple]

I’m gonna throw this out there: what if Apple decided to place a fingerprint sensor in the back? Possibly inside the logo?

 

[darngooddesign]

If Apple has shrunk the notch components so they fit in the smaller SE, that means the notch on the X2 will be smaller with more screen on either side of it.
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I’m gonna throw this out there: what if Apple decided to place a fingerprint sensor in the back? Possibly inside the logo?

That would be annoying in use if the phone is on your desk because you'd have to pick it up even if you want to use it; even more so if you keep it in a stand.

 

[BornAgainApple]

If Apple has shrunk the notch components so they fit in the smaller SE, that means the notch on the X2 will be smaller with more screen on either side of it.
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That would be annoying in use if the phone is on your desk because you'd have to pick it up even if you want to use it; even more so if you keep it in a stand.

True, but most people do pick up the phone to use it. I’m not a huge Android fan, but most newer models out there have the sensor on the back and there doesn’t seem to be much backlash about them in general.