Case Maker Olixar Expects iPhone SE 2 to Have a Notch, But Apparent Lack of Home Button and Face ID Cast Doubts

[JPack]

Just playing devil’s advocate here, but what if Apple announces the release of new notch devices with a 2nd gen Face ID module?

They’ve got to be already working on a 2nd gen module, right?

I guess that that might affect the sales of the X but despite the recent 2nd quarter results, sales have to be slowing down by the start of the 3rd quarter, surely.

Having said that...

It would be most unlike Tim Cook’s Apple to not go a full 4 quarters before a product is succeeded.

Mind you, Apple might want to leapfrog ahead of its competitors by moving the notch to all of its iPhone product lines ASAP.

But yeah, seeing a cutting edge component like that further miniaturised so soon is probably asking too much.

More likely is that we’ll see the same component used in the LCD version of the X and the iPad Pro thus providing a good ROI on its R&D and production costs - and savings being able to be passed down to consumers on the LCD phone.

Even though I want this SE2 a combination of the 7/8 in a slightly modified SE body is way more likely. And yeah, that means a physical home button!

Part of the limitation is the laws of physics.

The dot projector transmitter and IR camera are at opposite ends of the TrueDepth module because they need to be separated a certain distance to perform 3D mapping. This isn’t something solved in 6 months of engineering work.

 

[Virinprew]

Looking good. If it's true, I will upgrade my SE to this.

 

[SeaFox]

I'm not a fan of IOS but I love having my iPhone SE as my backup (so that I can use my Apple Watch). Sony is the one that got me spoiled to small phone factors. It's much more challenging to have good design at the smaller level whereas we see this trend of going bigger for flagship and smaller is mid-tier.

Unfortunately that seems to be over. Have you seen the Xperia XZ2 Compact?

 

[recoil80]

In my opinion it would be great to have a new X like phone with 4'', it could be even smaller than iPhone SE and you'd be able to reach every part of the display with a single hand.
SE is their budget phone though, I'm not sure they'll release something with cutting edge tech like FaceID and the new display and keep a lower price.

 

[diipii]

You know this notch issue really puts Iran, Korea and international terrorism into perspective, not to mention tigers, snow tigers, himalayan snow tigers, Tibetan slightly frosty tigers who have no fresh water, skinny child tigers in a desert who have to carry things, emaciated baby tigers with big eyes with a tear in the corner cradled by a grossly fat mother who are videoed for a monthly subscription, ad nauseam.

 

[Keirasplace]

RE: "Chinese company Vivo's new X20 Plus UD became the first smartphone with an in-display fingerprint sensor early this year, but Apple seems to have elected against that approach. "

Apple elected against it probably because they thought they could UP-sell most of their Users to Face ID.

That didn't work, so now Plan B.

Let's start with a pseudo-Hardware Home Button under Glass + a TouchID module on the back.

The description presented seems like a plausible upcoming iPhone.

Except it did work, so I'm calling your bs well, bs.

 

[kingalexthe1st]

Not gonna happen

 

[geta]

As long as the new design will have TouchID (with home button or under the screen) im in. If not, i’ll be more then happy continue using my correct SE.

 

[one more]

Why would there be a notch without Face ID? Makes no sense at all.

Still need to put those ear speaker, front camera and the proximity sensor somewhere.
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I would miss TouchID.. I definitely prefer it over FaceID.

I have not had a chance to try FaceID yet, but TouchID has its own shortcomings, like both the home button and your finger need to be clean and dry for it to work, in my experience.

 

[Pakaku]

Swiping up from a hard corner edge is going to be painful and annoying after enough times. An SE which goes edgeless will not be like that, it will have a rounded bottom to make the gesture more comfortable. The only reason the hard edge would be kept is if the home button is kept, which is fine, but then for symmetrical purposes you wouldn't have a notch since there would be more space occupying the top.

So copy-pasting the screen onto the old SE frame is extremely lazy and really shows how little these mockup designers understand these sorts of things.

 

[AnthonyHarris]

R&D and upgraded manufacturing lines costs money so I doubt an SE with a different screen/form-factor will be as cheap. I am pretty sure the only reason Apple can afford to sell the SE at the current price point is because the design hasn't changed for so many years.

Anyway. Now I'm done stating the obvious, I'll go and sit in my corner.

 

[H3LL5P4WN]

I doubt they’d add a dual camera but if they did and still had a Touch ID, for me personally, that would be awesome.

Remove the notch and possibly have a perfect phone for me

I'd rather have a notch and Face ID. Dual cameras would be a stretch, as well as making all of the previous cases no longer fit.

 

[BobMcBob]

This form factor with edge-to-edge screen is what I have been waiting for. Then I would finally upgrade from my iPhone 5.

 

[honglong1976]

I can see them using the current version for FaceID. It's like the first gen Touch ID. I think the iPhone Xs will have a 2nd gen Face ID

FaceID is the big selling point of the iPhone X. Why bring out a cheaper model that does the same thing? Who would then buy the iPhone X?

Could be buttonless SE while keeping Face ID for the X.

 

[KeanosMagicHat]

It'd be nice if when a news thread were started based upon a previous one to have one line mention of credit - ha ha.



https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/full-screen-iphone-se2-predicted.2118327/
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Anyway back to the topic - my Mum has an SE (on my recommendation) she loves it and when released it packed a lot of punch for the price.

If by some miracle this prediction turns out to be true and the SE2 were to be full screen, then the screen will be much closer in size to that of the iPhone 6/7/8 but in a neater body size.

Despite having always had the flagship iPhone until now, I might be tempted by this.

As for the authentication, even with the smaller notch, I'd still have thought FaceID were more likely than under screen TouchID. You never know though and I'd absolutely prefer TouchID.

Surely they wouldn't release it without any biometric authentication?

More renders here claimed to be from CAD drawings sent to case manufacturers:

https://www.tigermobiles.com/leak
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I can see them using the current version for FaceID. It's like the first gen Touch ID. I think the iPhone Xs will have a 2nd gen Face ID

I'm thinking along the same lines . . . the caveat being assuming the prediction pans out of course.
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I want a small iPhone that has the same features of the current iPhone X. Apple, I will even pay for these extra features if you have the courage to ship one.

Apple makes more than enough profit to make this at a reasonable price point should it choose to do so (however unlikely that may be).
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A 6 foot iPhone would cost way more than $700...

The 6 foot iPhone has been spotted in the wild - huge departure in design it seems - definite retro vibe . . . .

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Why does Apple insist that the display needs to go from edge to edge of the entire device.
Instead of having a notch, why not make the entire top section a thin strip of sensors?
That way they could have a full display without a notch intruding on the display. A bit of design trickery I guess you could say.

Taking your point a litte further, a thin bezel top and bottom would give symmetry and avoid the notch. Combine that with an aspect ratio more suited to watching video and it's a winner.

Having said that I'd still potentially purchase the SE2 as rendered here.
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Has anyone actually looked carefully at the TrueDepth module? It's not small . . .

Your quote could be amended to say . . . "Has anyone actually looked carefully at the current TrueDepth module?"

It's a longshot, but they may have made advances in reducing the size.

 

[PlainviewX]

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I am disappointed by MacRumors, that now actually all obvious nonsense is printed. This makes MacRumors more ridiculous than interesting.

I read the article carefully, and the "arguments" (protector fake) and not dimensionally accurate CAD paintings are absolutely yesterday, silly and pathetic.

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I am disappointed by MacRumors, that now actually all obvious nonsense is printed. This makes MacRumors more ridiculous than interesting.

I read the article carefully, and the "arguments" (protector fake) and not dimensionally accurate CAD paintings are absolutely yesterday, silly and pathetic.

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Your 'render' is nothing close to 121.04mm by 55.82mm.

 

[qtx43]

Camera bump, giant screens, face id, the notch, tiny bezel, no headphone jack... Apple does like to update its designs. So I could see them updating the SE to the point that it no longer appeals to current SE owners. But if so, they'll just lose those consumers, and spread around the rest among different models.

Apple is far better than Android for privacy, but if nobody makes a smartphone I can use, then I won't buy one just to say I have a smartphone. Well, my current SE will still last a while if need be.

 

[jeffreyg]

I’m think the 6.1” ‘low cost’ iPhone that’s rumour and the SE 2 are one and the same.

I worry that you might be right.

 

[Jack Burton]

Apple sells relatively few SE phones as it is, and most of those due to price. Removing both TouchID and FaceID would kill sales to those who like the SE for size, and an X-style SE selling for $899 (OLED) or $649 (LCD) would kill the 80% who buy the SE for cost reasons.

Everything you said makes perfect sense and I hope you are right.

I still wouldn't put it past apple to cripple the SE in order to imitate the X design.

 

[iMac-Do-You?]

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I am disappointed by MacRumors, that now actually all obvious nonsense is printed. This makes MacRumors more ridiculous than interesting.

I read the article carefully, and the "arguments" (protector fake) and not dimensionally accurate CAD paintings are absolutely yesterday, silly and pathetic.

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I bet you're stupendous fun at parties.

 

[eyeseeyou]

I'd rather have a notch and Face ID. Dual cameras would be a stretch, as well as making all of the previous cases no longer fit.

If I had to choose between face ID and dual cameras I'd go with a dual camera.

 

[Kram Sacul]

Why does Apple insist that the display needs to go from edge to edge of the entire device.
Instead of having a notch, why not make the entire top section a thin strip of sensors?
That way they could have a full display without a notch intruding on the display. A bit of design trickery I guess you could say.

Because this is 2018 and no one wants that dated design anymore.

 

[KeanosMagicHat]

. . . I could see them updating the SE to the point that it no longer appeals to current SE owners. But if so, they'll just lose those consumers . . .

For every customer they might lose due to this design, they'd gain others.

My Mum is a big fan of the current SE and I recommended it to her, but it wouldn't be the choice for me.

A full screen SE2 on the other hand . . .

 

[qtx43]

For every customer they might lose due to this design, they'd gain others.

Not sure what makes you think that. I guess we're both just going off of our impressions of the marketplace, and what we'd like to see happen, with no real hard data.

 

[dshan]