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Case Maker Olixar Expects iPhone SE 2 to Have a Notch, But Apparent Lack of Home Button and Face ID Cast Doubts
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If this does have an in-display TouchID, I might switch to this just to get away from Face ID. Still annoyed I can't unlock my iPhone on my desk to check something real quick without hovering my whole face over the display. Every. Single. Day. And Face ID itself doesn't seem to work very well, but maybe I'm one of the unlucky ones who got a bad unit. Doubt I'll get around to having it checked out because it's such a PITA. It's more of a PITA when I go to do the iPhone Upgrade Program because Apple always seems so confused if you have a device with a different serial when you go to do the upgrade.
Is it just me that hates the marketing bollocks of “18:9”? It’s 2:1, basic maths.
Please. Just price it right Apple. Don’t try and recover some of the 6.1” pricing with the SE. You’ll pay a price, so to speak. 
I think they word it that way so that you're comparing against :9 for all the ratios and it makes more intuitive sense to everyone.
Just trying to make it easy to understand for all.
Take a selfie with a camera over 1.2mp. I know megapixels aren’t everything, but it’s literally lower quality than the back camera on the original iPhone.
I’m think the 6.1” ‘low cost’ iPhone that’s rumour and the SE 2 are one and the same.
Why does Apple insist that the display needs to go from edge to edge of the entire device.
Instead of having a notch, why not make the entire top section a thin strip of sensors?
That way they could have a full display without a notch intruding on the display. A bit of design trickery I guess you could say.
Instead of having a notch, why not make the entire top section a thin strip of sensors?
That way they could have a full display without a notch intruding on the display. A bit of design trickery I guess you could say.
Has anyone actually looked carefully at the TrueDepth module? It's not small.
The size of the module makes it basically impossible for an SE-sized iPhone with Face ID. The notch at the top would be nearly as wide as the display.
A thin-bezel iPhone SE with Face ID is not happening, not in the next few years.
The size of the module makes it basically impossible for an SE-sized iPhone with Face ID. The notch at the top would be nearly as wide as the display.
A thin-bezel iPhone SE with Face ID is not happening, not in the next few years.
Only people at MacRumors here believe that Apple will continue with the same physical look and old style SE! Most of the Youtubers in the Far East show the notch and no home button for the next SE! I for one want a state of the art SE not a budget w year old iPhone in a small chassis!
Recall that the current FaceID relies on the rear telephoto lens (see recent repair articles). It is unlikely that rear camera would be found on the SE. Perhaps TouchID is moved to the back as found in the Android flagships. If it is, this could be an A10 powered device. If it does somehow feature FaceID, it will have to be an A11. One could envision two LCD phones, a 4.7 inch at $549 and another 6.1 inch at $699. Both with A11 chips and 2 GB RAM, and 32 GB storage. Both introduced in June. The new OLED A12 phones would come in September.
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Oh come on. Demand more from your apple overlords!
Instant purchase from me. This would be the most perfect iPhone of all time.
The notch story sounds very sketchy indeed. I'd agree here that the FaceID assembly in an SE sized body means no notch as it would take up most of the available width. Aesthetically it's better to avoid that notch too.
The clearer thing for Apple to do is to simplify the current iPhone lineup - there's too many older model iPhones on sale which are similar to each other right now - 6s, 7, and 8 in both sizes right now. And contract phone users can still get the 6 in some retailers.
A premium 4" iPhone to replace the 6s and 7 - and containing the latest A11 CPU could be interestingly priced, especially if Apple were to continue selling the SE at a lower price again but this time with 16/32Gb and 64Gb sizes. Such a phone could immediately displace the A9 powered 6s and the current A10 powered 7 if Apple were to reorganise their iPhone lineup before the traditional September refresh month.
would love to see the return of flat edge, glass back iphone in small form factor. Now please just pack latest cpu and max storage and its instant buy
RE: "Chinese company Vivo's new X20 Plus UD became the first smartphone with an in-display fingerprint sensor early this year, but Apple seems to have elected against that approach. "
Apple elected against it probably because they thought they could UP-sell most of their Users to Face ID.
That didn't work, so now Plan B.
Let's start with a pseudo-Hardware Home Button under Glass + a TouchID module on the back.
The description presented seems like a plausible upcoming iPhone.
Apple elected against it probably because they thought they could UP-sell most of their Users to Face ID.
That didn't work, so now Plan B.
Let's start with a pseudo-Hardware Home Button under Glass + a TouchID module on the back.
The description presented seems like a plausible upcoming iPhone.
That would be an assumption the module will remain the same size. Nothing has ever remained the same size.
So the current A9-based SE stays for another few years as the least expensive phone and the lone 4” offering? Could happen I guess, most of the demand (maybe 20 million/year?) is because it’s the least expensive iPhone.
But that’s not going to make those that like the SE because they like 4” phones very happy, if Apple will not be refreshing the SE.
Personally, I expect an SE2 with minimal changes. Upgraded to A10, better front camera (maybe rear too), also TouchID 2 could happen. I think the headphone jack remains. Small chance of A11, depends on cost delta over A10, and whether Apple plans on a two or three year shelf life before the next refresh. Display could get slightly larger with smaller bezels but overall physical size unchanged.
With the upcoming price drops in September, there will be some compression at the low end. The 6S should be around $399. I suppose the SE2 could drop to around $329, maybe the current A9 SE stays in the lineup (at least in some countries, like the iPhone 6 right now) at $299.
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I'd love a nice small bezel-less SE. I have the distinct bad feeling that if Apple did this they would remove the headphone jack (of course) and the fingerprint reader, since they couldn't stick it on the front. I think Apple would get rid of it completely rather than put it on the back or embed Face ID.
I offer no proof. Just my cynical hunch.
I offer no proof. Just my cynical hunch.
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Just playing devil’s advocate here, but what if Apple announces the release of new notch devices with a 2nd gen Face ID module?
They’ve got to be already working on a 2nd gen module, right?
I guess that that might affect the sales of the X but despite the recent 2nd quarter results, sales have to be slowing down by the start of the 3rd quarter, surely.
Having said that...
It would be most unlike Tim Cook’s Apple to not go a full 4 quarters before a product is succeeded.
Mind you, Apple might want to leapfrog ahead of its competitors by moving the notch to all of its iPhone product lines ASAP.
But yeah, seeing a cutting edge component like that further miniaturised so soon is probably asking too much.
More likely is that we’ll see the same component used in the LCD version of the X and the iPad Pro thus providing a good ROI on its R&D and production costs - and savings being able to be passed down to consumers on the LCD phone.
Even though I want this SE2 a combination of the 7/8 in a slightly modified SE body is way more likely. And yeah, that means a physical home button!
So Apple can reduce the size of the module by half in 6 months? That’s not happening.
Apple sells relatively few SE phones as it is, and most of those due to price. Removing both TouchID and FaceID would kill sales to those who like the SE for size, and an X-style SE selling for $899 (OLED) or $649 (LCD) would kill the 80% who buy the SE for cost reasons.
I don’t see FaceID and OLED coming to a form factor smaller than the current X. The SE is positioned as the least expensive iPhone. If you’re looking for an SE-sized version of the 6.1” iPhone 9 Plus that’s coming in a few months (FaceID/LCD), I wouldn’t expect that for at least two more refresh cycles, so maybe 2022/2023. It’s going to take at least that long for FaceID to be low enough in cost to be included in a $349 iPhone.
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