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What amazes me is that there is a CLEAR work around to Flash and yet we have these negative, almost ignorant sounding, people who complain about a lack of Flash. CBS is smart and taking advantage of this work around. good for them!!!!!!

What's the "CLEAR Work Around" for all the Flash based games that millions of youngsters play online ever day?
 
Oh well, only 99.999999999999999999999999999% of the web left to do and the iPad can view it all.

(Apart from Flash games I guess)

Your maths skills might need an upgrade.


Photographers like Flash. Galleries like it. Newspapers like it. Video sharing sites use Flash.The online porn industry is built on Flash...

But most importantly, advertisers like Flash. You know, companies paying for banners that generate revenue for all sorts of websites.


Anyway, I'm looking forward to see the moaning about the iPad's lack of Flash support.
 
What amazes me is that there are clearly thousands of Flash websites that people regularly visit, yet some ignorant people keep telling us that there are ways around Flash. There might be, but a lot of web designers just don't give a toss about the iPad or HTML5.

If this iPad becomes half as successful as Apple and many analysts predict, then web designers that just didn't give a toss up till now will be well advised to take notice of the trend (look at the sales numbers.. Noone has touched let alone reviewed the thing, and we will be hitting a million sales in a few weeks..). Just as there are now iPhone optimised sites that exist next to the regular sites, web developers will start developing iPad friendly versions without flash. Maybe a few million iPads on the total amount of visits to a website do not amount to a large percentage, but some sites certainly already now think it is worthwhile to consider recoding or producing a parallel site.

The demographic that buys the thing is also important. A lot of people that buy these things belong to business(wo)men groups and gadget lovers (look at the MB Air). The sites that are already now converting nicely overlap with these demographics. In other words: these sites know what is coming...
 
Suuure. Please name these sites. I'm running on a lowly MBP and have yet to have flash take a dump.

It's not a workaround when HTML5 video can't play video in full screen. The joke's on all the ignorant HTML5 lemmings.

Youtube HTML 5 can play full screen on both the Mac and iPad in Safari. Or am I missing something?
 
I doubt this has anything to do with the iPad, just the way things move forward. Using flash for video playback has always seemed kind of silly.

YouTube and Vimeo are also testing HTML5 playback.
 
Too bad Flash isn't just for video, as opposed to what some people think, it's also for animations and games, which of course, cannot be replicated in HTML5 at all...

Too bad your wrong. I don't have the list, does someone have the list of games wrote in HTML 5?
 
Now .... I love flash, I’ve used it many times to visually and intuitively produce animation and web content, So it really frustrates me how Adobe bought Macromedia and bloated flash, turning it into crap. They need to streamline it if they intend it to survive. The fault also rests in the hands of the flash devs who push the program further and further with the increased performance of modern PCs. The problem becomes even more apparent when you see the performance disparity between the Mac and PC versions of flash (which has always been the case even in the days when Macromedia owned it.)

But it is truly amazing to me how Apple potentially have the clout to single handedly destroy a web format simply by their own non compliance. The funny thing is, this kind of belligerence is something that we see all the time in companies like Sony, the difference is Sony fail more often than they succeed.

Incidentally Ive always found the use of flash as a container to deliver video content quite stupid. Flash has many strengths but video delivery isnt one of them.
 
I don't think Steve Jobs likes this. Can you imagine being able to play all kinds of videos on the iPad? It would cut into Apple's bottom line.

You really think iTMS video sales cuts into Apple's bottom line? If you look at Apple's 10K reports you can't even see its profit from this area b/c it's so tiny. It has no appreciable affect on Apple's profits.

Truth is Jobs/Apple love that a major media company like CBS/Viacom is quickly adopting the HTML5 standard for video. That is what Jobs wants to happen.

I doubt this has anything to do with the iPad, just the way things move forward. Using flash for video playback has always seemed kind of silly.



YouTube and Vimeo are also testing HTML5 playback.


To a some extent yes. Google also hates Flash which is why YouTube now does HTML5 too. However, the huge installed base of iPhone OS devices helps to encourage adoption by content distributors.

What's the "CLEAR Work Around" for all the Flash based games that millions of youngsters play online ever day?

A bike
A ball
A book
 
If you've posted or even seriously considered the thought that Flash is dead or dying... you're technical opinions are baseless and have absolutely zero value. Yes, that is a fact. Read on.

The majority of you couldn't OOP your way off of your couch, let alone understand the technology behind anything you are commenting on.
Flash is a piece of crap. And yes, I could "OOP" you into a box. Flash is perpetuated by design firms hiring cheap developers to implement their user unfriendly but really snazzy looking designs they sold to their clients. If your site requires Flash, you've generally failed the end user in your design. Not because they require a plugin (everyone has it), but because you're probably trying to do something you shouldn't. Worse, your content is now less searchable because it's tied up in a binary.
 
If the videos CBS stream uses H.264 encoding, making it HTML 5.0 compatible is really easy to do, since H.264 is one of the two standards for video streaming under HTML 5.0 besides Ogg Theora.
 
Flash is a piece of crap. And yes, I could "OOP" you into a box. Flash is perpetuated by design firms hiring cheap developers to implement their user unfriendly but really snazzy looking designs they sold to their clients. If your site requires Flash, you've generally failed the end user in your design. Not because they require a plugin (everyone has it), but because you're probably trying to do something you shouldn't. Worse, your content is now less searchable because it's tied up in a binary.


I don't think it's that simple. There are sites, where Google ranking is not really a major issue. Try major car manufacturers and you will see. Or design companies. Many of them use Flash extensively. Or many sites only feature limited amount of Flash. There is nothing wrong with that, you can achieve beautiful results with Flash.

Before anybody would argue that you can also have nice results without Flash, I would like to point out that some of us pay for web design and we don't want a geek wasting long hours with minor details. If you can get a nice result in X hours, I don't want to pay twice as much for the same result, just because it's not Flash and it takes a lot longer to code. Even these major newspapers used and still use Flash.

I'm sure that if the iPad would support Flash, there wouldn't be so much hostility towards it. What the hell is happening with these people?
 
If you never use flash then why don't you just uninstall it instead of having to use ClickToFlash? Uh huh.

I installed ClicktoFlash to see if I ever need to click on it. I haven't had the need.

But unlike some people here seem to be, I'm not a fanatic either way. I'm just a "user" who can't bother to pronounce half the things you're sarcastic about.
 
Apple Kills Flash?

I wonder how Adobe will regard Apple if it appears a prime piece of their proprietary technology has been killed off because of the iPhone/iPad. I am quite excited by the potential of video in HTML 5 and in general I don't favor standards being created around closed source, licensed technologies. However, Flash has become a web staple and I'm sure Adobe enjoys that status.
 
iPad or not this is a good thing.

Smartest comment here. :cool:

Too bad it took some device like the iPad to light a fire under some of these websites to start using the right technology for the job. Flash is way over the top heavy for what CBS wants to do here.

For them switching from Flash to HTML5 is a good move whether or not there is an iPad.
 
Nice! Most of us look forward to a day when Flash is dead.

For the moment: ClickToFlash is King.
I use YouTube in HTML5 Mode and it's very rare for me to 'ClickToFlash'!
 
Anyway, I'm looking forward to see the moaning about the iPad's lack of Flash support.

It's not like there will be some huge consumer outcry and mass returns of iPads prompting Apple to add Flash support because kids can't play their Flash games. My kids do fine with their iPod Touches and the games available in the App store for free.

More content delivery sites will follow with iPad friendly versions. This will include the animation heavy product brochure sites.

I do expect a lot of trolls complaining on forums, but just as with the iPhone/Touch, it won't change Apple's direction.
 
Flash isn't going anywhere for a while.

HTML5 isn't even close to a complete standard yet.

Luckily, HTML5 will be finalized next year and IE9 is supposedly going to support it and all the other browsers already support the major pieces of it. I mean it already has pretty good support from the browser makers (since they're all involved in developing the standard this time, cept maybe for Microsoft)
 
Obvious really

This is no surprise whatsoever.

What drives the Internet? Advertising.

What technology does advertising currently use? Flash.

Who's going to buy iPads? Young, affluent, fashionable, extrovert people.

Who's going to buy netbooks? Nerdy introverts.

Which of these audiences do the advertisers want to reach? The iPad users.

So what are advertisers going to do? Shouldn't be too difficult to work out.

As usual, follow the money.
 
1. After an age-old period of speculations, a large iPod Touch was announced and suddenly other manufacturers moved their emphasis from fully featured tablet computers to basic multimedia tablets. Apple left this whole affair far too late and far too hyped. If there is anything good about these tablets, it is the fact that they don't need be very expensive and that with a suitable screen, traditional media can be consumed in a new manner. But I still believe that the iPad's screen is not appropriate for e-books and for outdoors use, for example.

2. The iPad will not play Flash, will it? The problem hasn't gone away. Try browsing without Flash for a day - I did and had to switch back after an afternoon. Some sites will implement HTML5 fairly soon, but it would take several years to get Flash out of most of the sites that the majority use.

3. Yeah, right... Apple is known for not abusing its powers in any way...


(not sent from my iPad)

1. Might want to reserve judgement until the product is actually released and people use it. It's unclear to me how you can downplay the iPad's ability as an ereader without, you know, actually using one. eInk is a bit over-rated in my opinion. I have no problem reading on my iPhone, laptop, or desktop monitor for extended periods, assuming I adjust the screen brightness to fit the available light.

2. I have Flash disabled in all my browsers. On the rare occasion I'm viewing a site where I actually care about the Flash content, I will manually enable it. Lack of Flash will have close to zero impact on my browsing experience.

3. To which abuses are you referring? Not being snarky, I honestly have no clue what you are talking about with this comment. Creating a closed system isn't an abuse of power.
 
I wonder how Adobe will regard Apple if it appears a prime piece of their proprietary technology has been killed off because of the iPhone/iPad. I am quite excited by the potential of video in HTML 5 and in general I don't favor standards being created around closed source, licensed technologies. However, Flash has become a web staple and I'm sure Adobe enjoys that status.

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/tamarin/

http://www.openscreenproject.org/

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/

This is no surprise whatsoever.

What drives the Internet? Advertising.

What technology does advertising currently use? Flash.

Who's going to buy iPads? Young, affluent, fashionable, extrovert people.

Who's going to buy netbooks? Nerdy introverts.

Which of these audiences do the advertisers want to reach? The iPad users.

So what are advertisers going to do? Shouldn't be too difficult to work out.

As usual, follow the money.

LOL.
 
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