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+1, totally agree. I can just send in the laptop to Dell without even informing them in advance, and overnight I'll have a new one. They are usually pretty damn good with warranty.
I've had HP notebooks before and the support was good. I got e-mail turnaround in hours surprisingly enough. I never had an hardware issues with the early Pentium-M models I had.

I've dealt with Dell mostly via business and higher education. They really pamper you there compared to Apple.

Here's what the Mobility HD 5830 specifications are.
 
Um, no. First off, "special IGP for Apple and/or no IGP" = "ain't gonna happen". The *memory controller* and PCIe interface are on that die, so don't expect to see it go away. And there's absolutely no reason that Intel would design a faster IGP and then only sell it to one customer.

Why Just Apple?
I would have thought and the rumors seem to suggest all the higher end OEMs would want a IGP free version.

If they added something all of them wanted then they have a nice market demand to service. Maybe switch the IGP for something they would be interested in like Lightpeak so it has direct memory access to saturate the bandwidth that way they can keep the socket the same just have to find a way to attach the fibers.
 
You obviously were not around when Apple used the PPC chip. And Intel makes the CPU not Apple.

How's that! I'm relating to my PowerBooks among others - to hear that "I, obviously, were not around" during the PPC years!..

By the way, how do you define Apple's persistent claims of once that PowerPC chips were quite a bit more powerful than their Intel and AMD counterparts (even those of double the PPC GHz specifications!), its so-called "commitment" to never ever abandon PPC architecture?

What did Apple do half a year thereafter? Let me remind you if you fail to remember: it introduced the first MacBook Pro! It did, didn't it? I will also remind you that the MacBook Pros turned out quite a bit more powerful (read, 'useable' instead, for, alas, no all-in-one or portable Mac has ever been properly powerful!). Of course, to sell the MacBook Pros Apple stretched their benchmark data a good measure so as to coax consumers into a mass purchasing hysteria.

One of the most faithful supporters of the system since Puma, I am getting more and more pissed with the following:

- Terrible hardware (I am not talking about the casing, for it's leaps and bounds superior, aesthetically, to much of the competition)!

- Apple's growing popularity (and shrinking quality standards) - or, to put it differently, Apple's endeavour to become a monopoly! "Think different!" - why? Apple and "think different" are diametrical opposites.
 
For a new architecture the improvement is minimal at best I was expecting a lot more from a Nehalem based chip vs an architecture that's 4-5y old.
That's exactly why I'm waiting for Sandy Bridge. That, and the overwhelming likelihood that neither USB 3.0, FireWire 3200, or Light Peak will be ready and available this year.
 
so does this mean the C2Ds will get another price drop?

i have my eye on the 17" 3.06 7200 8g glossy screen plus remote and apple care,

with my student discount is currently priced at $3412

this will be my first ever laptop purchase (upgrading from an '05 ppc g5 tower). i don't want a used or refurbished laptop though; i just want to get the timing right if there is going to be a price drop. like, will the current lineup still be available to build to order from the online store once the refresh hits?

any advice?
 
so does this mean the C2Ds will get another price drop?

i have my eye on the 17" 3.06 7200 8g glossy screen plus remote and apple care,

with my student discount is currently priced at $3412

this will be my first ever laptop purchase (upgrading from an '05 ppc g5 tower). i don't want a used or refurbished laptop though; i just want to get the timing right if there is going to be a price drop. like, will the current lineup still be available to build to order from the online store once the refresh hits?

any advice?

Might want to get the 8GB ram elsewhere. It'll be at least 150-200$ cheaper. You might want to consider if it is worth the extra cash for 3.06Ghz.

Might also want to look at other stores that sell your config that has no sale tax, I got my laptop cheaper that way when i was a student, even with edu discount.
 
That's exactly why I'm waiting for Sandy Bridge. That, and the overwhelming likelihood that neither USB 3.0, FireWire 3200, or Light Peak will be ready and available this year.

Intel demoed Light Peak at CES, said it'll be out in a year. So, you're right about it not being available for this year.

That'll be the first feature required for me to upgrade next year along with USB 3.0.
 
How about BLU RAY??? Or at least a Blu Ray options. The Macbook specs are looking pitiful compared to other $1000 range notebooks out there. An update is desperately needed IMO. A summer refresh would be too long.
 
True...and in fact I work in the sound arena...but not with ProTools...I use Acid and SoundForge among others.

Buttttttt...I do this all on a desktop. And, the soundcard is what really provides the bulk of the power of what your sound software can and cannot do. The software checks to see what the soundcard is capable of doing...if the card doesn't support A,B, and C, the software simply doesn't give you that functionality.

Assuming your non-integrated soundcard works just fine with your software, CPUs do become important if you are going to push your software to its limits.

But again, we're talking consumer vs. professional here. Any pro is going to spend tens of thousands of dollars on heavy equipment and redundancy. Consumers or music producers working at home with less budget will do just fine using a quad-core chip today as a dual-core from 3 years ago as a single core from 8 years ago. Seriously. Unless they are trying to run 32 or more tracks simultaneously with all sorts of software-created effects, etc...which doesn't sound like the average consumer or even averge home-based music consumer. :) There's an exception to every rule. :) And yes, if we are talking about people using their laptop to do such music production, sure, faster chips are always appreciated on laptops because laptops typically are a few years behind in speed/performance than their desktop counterparts...regardless of how much money you have. Now, anyone who uses a laptop with a 15" or even 17" screen to do music production (other than for a fun hobby 1-2 hours a week) better have a darn good reason why they bought a laptop instead of a desktop (with more power, larger screens, and cheaper cost).

I usually create music pieces with 10-15 tracks depending on what I am doing...all tracks are WAV so compression (Mp3) is already out of the picture. My 3 year old quad core 2.3GHz chip with 3GB memory and a few hundred gig SATA 7200RPM drive works fine and has for 3 years. Before that it was the same amount of RAM on the same OS with the same spec drive (probably smaller storage) with a single-core chip which also was 3 years old. So for 6+ years I've seen, in my daily and above-aver usage of this machine, 0 problems or reasons to upgrade. The only reason I did upgrade was because the machines were so cheap and came with new warranties and a few extra bells (faster dvd drive, more cabinet space for SATA drives,).

On average I buy a new pc every 3-4 years...mainly because the new ones come with extra bells and whistles that the old ones did not. Never have I needed to buy a new Mac or PC because the machine died. My mom's ancient 8+ year old WinXP pc with a Celeron chip still runs just fine these days with Youtube, iTunes, web surfing, Office, etc. But her usage is quite light. I've burned and ripped cds without a hitch as well as ran some other apps she doesn't run...that's why I state that on average for most consumers, chip speed over the last 10 years really hasn't been that much of reason to buy a new computer.

-Eric


no, I totally disagree. 32 tracks, easy.
The point is that all this depends so much on what u are doing. Also on the music style. But you cannot make the assumption that a hobby musician doesn't touch the limits. I do and i know many who do.

Again upgrading for 10% performance might still not make sense. But I not would use 3 year old notebook for logic 9, if I consider all the sample libs and effects i am using.

Also the power of the sound card doesn't make a big diff in that terms. There isn't much feature in software which depends on the card. Sure, I would not use macbooks internal one for tracking, i use a duet. But the DAW software has the same functionality with both.

limitations are in bit depth, sampling freq , latency and quality. But if one heavily depends on samples, the internal does a good job.

Seriously I like to see u using a single core from 8 years ago to get anything done with an acceptable workflow (without freezing constantly).

Even if u track simple band arrangements: A couple guitars, drums, bass & voice. Do a couple stereo doubles for guitars and voice. Spice up the drums with a couple of samples. There u get easily 15-25 tracks.
Then add compressors, eqs on most tracks, some convolution reverb and some delay. Maybe some pitch correction and some exotic effects.
Even if you stay in 44khz (I assume 24bit is a requirement, I would not touch 16bit anymore) - there is no way a 8 year old single core is doing it for you.

cheers
 
.....so it's saying i7 chips are suitable for notebooks? If that's the case, why the "special interest" in the i5?

Just trying to follow. :)

Intel is getting very innovative with their chip names. Intel announced almost two dozen new chips, divided between i3, i5 and i7 names, and with two exceptions they all have two cores + hyperthreading. The i3's have "Turbo Boost" disabled, which shouldn't matter much with MacOS X. There doesn't seem to be any other difference between i3s and most i5s and i7s except for clock speed. (The i7-860 and i5-750 are the exceptions; they are not mobile chips).
 
That's exactly why I'm waiting for Sandy Bridge. That, and the overwhelming likelihood that neither USB 3.0, FireWire 3200, or Light Peak will be ready and available this year.


In fact buried in the Intel presentation, I think during some Q&A, was a mention that light peak would be in computers "next year." Sorry if this has already been posted elsewhere in this thread - too lazy to check! But if you read the coverage on the usual blogs they all mention this...sadly.
 
Wait, why don't you guys like Snow Leopard? And can someone please explain why Tiger is better?

I've been using SL for about a month, and love it so far. I get a beach-ball occasionally, but it only lasts for 2-3 seconds.

I personally waited until 10.6.2 before moving to Snow Leopard. I just put some extra RAM into my 1st generation Mac Pro (now 6GB RAM) and Snow Leopard simply sings wonderfully.
 
I don't think that USB 3.0 is going to be widely available until 2011. I'm happy to stand corrected though. ;)
Plenty of products are here today. You just need an additional controller. Seagate offers an USB 3.0 ExpressCard with their portable drives. How many Macs have those again? :rolleyes:
 
I've pretty much given up hope of Apple releasing the machine many of us want. I never liked all-in-ones and can not use gloss/glassy screens anyway and the Mac Pro is overkill.

At least this gives me a better option if they put the better chips in Mac mini's.
 
Plenty of products are here today. You just need an additional controller. Seagate offers an USB 3.0 ExpressCard with their portable drives. How many Macs have those again? :rolleyes:

ASUS told DailyTech that it was developing a PCIe adapter for all of its motherboard customers who wanted to upgrade to the new standards. The U3S6 card would plug into a PCIe x4 or x8 connector and add two USB 3.0 and two 6Gbps SATA ports to an ASUS system.

The company has now informed us that development and testing on the new U3S6 card has finished, and mass production has started. It will begin shipping to the channel next week, with e-tail availability expected for two weeks from now. Best of all, the U3S6 card will go on sale with a retail price of only $30.
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The low voltage dual core variants i7-620LM (2GHz, 2.8GHz turbo mode) and i7-640LM (2.13-2.93GHz) with a TDP of 25W could be a neat upgrade for the MacBook Air. :eek:
 
Folks really think CES is ahead of Apple? People really think Apple is behind?

Here's what CNet readers think are the most interesting things to come out at CES. Note what's listed #1.
 

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Folks really think CES is ahead of Apple? People really think Apple is behind?

Here's what CNet readers think are the most interesting things to come out at CES. Note what's listed #1.

LADY GAGA!?!?!?!? Holy crap, are you kidding me? Dude, did you even see Microsoft's keynote? I felt asleep within seconds, what a boring ass keynote. Steve Jobs' keynotes are in a class of its own that can ever be duplicated.
 
LADY GAGA!?!?!?!?

Yes Lady Gaga as unlikely as that sounds. She is involved in reviving Polaroid instant film and marrying that with digital cameras so you have both instant gratification and proper archiving and likely near-live send to remote destination. Polaroid film is used in a wide variety of industrial and scientific applications and losing that technology would be hurtful.

As for USB 3, how about a dongle to convert from Gigabit Ethernet, it's everywhere, or FW 800/400, or Express card 34, on a lot of Macs and PC's. That would give widespread backward compatibility to over half the installed base of personal computers of all brands.

Rocketman
 
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