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CES 2012 Kicks off Next Week: Gorilla Glass, Vizio, Windows Phone, Ultrabooks
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Um... I thought that iPhones used an Apple designed tempered glass that is similar to Gorilla Glass but not ACTUAL Gorilla Glass...
While hardly definitive:
http://www.quora.com/Whats-the-diff...hone-4-uses-and-Gorilla-Glass-made-by-Corning
Have you had an N9 or Lumia 800 in your hands before? Probably not. It looks a lot nicer than any iPhone and feels a lot nicer too.
Um... I thought that iPhones used an Apple designed tempered glass that is similar to Gorilla Glass but not ACTUAL Gorilla Glass...
LOL! The iPhone has the worst glass ever to be on a phone. It scratches like nothing else and if you drop it once your whole phone is cracked up.
While I agree that the Lumia design is great, the 900 or "Ace" looks quite different. The 900 is a very clean design with hardware face buttons and is not built from plastic (or doesn't appear so).
Obviously people on this forum prefer Apple products, but let's not lie and say that the Vizio is butt-ugly like a Toshiba laptop when its not. Clearly it is inspired by Apple, but it is not a copycat either. It is a very attractive machine, at least from the limited pictures we can see. We can be mature enough to admit that.
I bet if someone posted the next Apple product here but with a different brand label it too would be "unusable, ugly, nasty, etc." until it was revealed to be made by Apple in which case it would all of a sudden become the greatest computer ever built.
Though the keyboard reminds me of old MacBook Pros (the original aluminum ones), but overall it looks pretty good. If I were a PC, I'd probably buy it. Then again, we don't know the specs or price yet.
The All in one is not bad either. An original idea, at least to have the computer be built into the base in a tasteful way. Better than Samsung's all in one computer which looks like it has a tumor (the DVD drive... link for those who didn't see Samsung's AIO: http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/hreraserre.jpg).
I bet if someone posted the next Apple product here but with a different brand label it too would be "unusable, ugly, nasty, etc." until it was revealed to be made by Apple in which case it would all of a sudden become the greatest computer ever built.
Though the keyboard reminds me of old MacBook Pros (the original aluminum ones), but overall it looks pretty good. If I were a PC, I'd probably buy it. Then again, we don't know the specs or price yet.
The All in one is not bad either. An original idea, at least to have the computer be built into the base in a tasteful way. Better than Samsung's all in one computer which looks like it has a tumor (the DVD drive... link for those who didn't see Samsung's AIO: http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/hreraserre.jpg).
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The Cinema Display is expensive because it is 2560 x 1440 pixels. These displays just _are_ expensive, no matter who makes or sells them. A 1920 x 1080 display is much cheaper, and I am sure there is a market for a display that is more expensive than the cheapest but nicely designed.
About the "luring away from low end Mac": A Mac is more than just the design of computer case, a lot more. Of course the case design is of some importance and of some value. I think their customers will come from design conscious PC customers. I mean it's not a Mac, but a PC that at least looks nice on the table is better than a PC that doesn't look nice.
From that point of view, Psystar proved that a "real" company cannot sell non-Apple computers with MacOS X installed. Psystar was ordered to pay about $2500 per computer sold for DMCA violations (which of course they are not going to pay because they are bankrupt), which makes any attempt pointless for a real company.
I think this was about whether Apple has patents, not what Apple invented. And Apple bought Fingerworks.
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It's just the natural reaction to the friction CES and MWC cause in the RDF. Since the Kool-Aid supply is about to dry out the RDF weakens on a weekly basis.
Hey - all of a sudden you must dig out iOS betas with quad-core hints just to make sure RDF doesn't collapse when the quad-core Androids hit the street this spring.
Has Vizio developed their own operating system? Has Vizio licensed the Mac OS? If neither of these apply, their amazing new computer, designed to compete against Apple is just another PC Windows machine in a different style container.
Sadly so many stupid consumers think "hey... this sorta looks like an Apple product! I'll buy that!"
Sadly so many stupid consumers think "hey... this sorta looks like an Apple product! I'll buy that!"
Hmm....I have no scratches on my iPhone 4S and I've dropped it a couple times yet it still looks like new. I call BS on this. If what you said was true people would be returning iPhones like crazy. Yet I've not heard about massive returns. Didn't Verizon just report record iPhones sales?
My 4 is all scratched up. Don't know if the 4s has a better glass or not though.
It is certainly not BS
I, like others, am quite keen on the design on the Vizio. Won't be buying one, but still.
What I am looking forward to is some slick new TV designs from samsung. I love the tiny bezel on some of their models. 50" OLED with virtually no bezel anyone? (For the price of a small house).
What I am looking forward to is some slick new TV designs from samsung. I love the tiny bezel on some of their models. 50" OLED with virtually no bezel anyone? (For the price of a small house).
Is CES even worth it anymore?
These days, CES is all about watching the industry move in Apple's direction. CES is like the new MacWorld.
Half the industry initiatives, product directions and announcements are responses to Apple, or anticipation of what Apple might do in the future.
That's all we've seen for the past few years. Even in gaming, the industry has been trying to respond to Apple. Unfortunately, this industry-wide strategy is something of a no-win situation, unless you're really good at pushing massive amounts of volume to make a buck, which still doesn't mean that you've actually achieved any product differentiation.
Two problems:
1) "Innovate" away from Apple, in an un-Apple fashion, and you risk doing just that that: the opposite of Apple, therefore doing everything Apple isn't, which means you're probably doing it wrong, highlighting everything wrong with the product or segment you're in before Apple arrived and fixed it.
2) Follow Apple, and even copy as closely as possible. The problem here is that you risk becoming a poor pretender, an obvious poseur peddling what is often a bad copy of an Apple product.
It's all come down to measuring, comparing, and contrasting the rest of the industry with Apple. This is what the industry has become, and consumers know it. And provided Apple can continue to stick to their philosophy and field a healthy executive team, this is how it'll be for the foreseeable future.
Just look at the items under discussion in the MR article:
Vizio (AIO)
Windows Phone
Ultrabooks
They're all about a response to Apple.
It's sort of a sad state of affairs, but if you're an Apple user it doesn't really matter.
Just one example of this phenomenon is below, and it isn't just confined to MS. Everyone is trying to respond to Apple.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...dows_phone_was_response_to_apples_iphone.html
Microsoft exec admits Windows Phone was response to Apple's iPhone
Microsoft's head of software design for Windows Phone has admitted that the company completely redesigned its mobile operating system platform as a response to Apple's iPhone and the "sea change" it created in the industry.
Joe Belfiore, one of the first engineers brought to the new Windows Phone team when it was formed, made the comments in an interview with The New York Times.
“Apple created a sea change in the industry in terms of the kinds of things they did that were unique and highly appealing to consumers,” he said. “We wanted to respond with something that would be competitive, but not the same.”
According to the report, "once the iPhone exploded into the marketplace, Microsoft executives knew that their software, as designed, could never compete." In December 2008, Microsoft's then head of mobile engineering called a meeting to decide the fate of its aging Windows Mobile software. Seven hours later, Myerson and his team decided to scrap the OS and start again from scratch.
“We had hit bottom,” said Myerson, who recently replaced Andy Lees as head of the Windows Phone division, adding that doing so gave the company "the freedom to try new things, build a new team and set a new path.”
Former Microsoft manager Charlie Kindel compared the decision to start over to mountain climber Aron Ralston's now famous accident where a boulder fell on his arm and he was forced to amputate it.
“This boulder comprised of Apple and Blackberry rolled on our arm,” he said. “Microsoft sat there for three or four years struggling to get out.”
While designing the new operating system, Microsoft deciding to strike a balance between Apple's highly-controlled approach and Android's more permissive strategy. It upset handset makers by instituting strict rules on the level of technical specifications required for Windows Phone devices in an attempt to avoid the fragmentation and performance issues that had plagued Windows Mobile and, to some extent, Android.
“It’s not just about software,” Albert Shum, general manager of the design studio for Windows Phone, told the Times. “It’s about the whole end-to-end experience.”
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer experienced "some hesitancy" after his first look at an early version of Windows Phone, according to Myerson, but the team made revisions to address his concerns.
The decision to start over was costly, as the two years that it took the software giant to create Windows Phone left iOS and Android with a huge opportunity in the smartphone market. Android held 25 percent of the worldwide smartphone market and iOS 16.6 percent in the third quarter of 2010, while Windows Mobile had dwindled to 2.7 percent. Windows Phone's first year on the market failed to reverse the trend, with Android holding 52.5 percent share an iOS claiming 15 percent, while Microsoft's portion slid to 1.5 percent in the third quarter of 2011.
The first reviews of the platform praised Windows Phone for its unique tile interface when it arrived in fall 2010, but they also noted that the operating system was several years behind Apple's iOS and Google's Android. Sales of Windows Phone devices since then have failed to gain significant momentum.
Myerson himself admits that the platform has faced an uphill climb because of the time it lost. “Entering the market so late with this experience has created some special challenges for us,” he said. “I think if we were there earlier it would be different.”
The mobile OS will have a second chance in the U.S. market early this year when the first Windows Phone-based Nokia devices arrive. Nearly a year ago, the Finnish handset maker announced that it was abandoning its Symbian OS in favor of a close partnership with Microsoft, but the first phones resulting from the deal have yet to arrive in the U.S..
The two companies are reportedly set to unveil the flagship Nokia Ace smartphone at the Consumer Electronics Show next week. The handset is also rumored to receive a $100 million marketing push from Microsoft, AT&T and Nokia, but even AT&T's own executives have confessed their belief that Windows Phone will see "a lot of challenges" in going up against its more-established competitors.
These days, CES is all about watching the industry move in Apple's direction. CES is like the new MacWorld.
Half the industry initiatives, product directions and announcements are responses to Apple, or anticipation of what Apple might do in the future.
That's all we've seen for the past few years. Even in gaming, the industry has been trying to respond to Apple. Unfortunately, this industry-wide strategy is something of a no-win situation, unless you're really good at pushing massive amounts of volume to make a buck, which still doesn't mean that you've actually achieved any product differentiation.
Two problems:
1) "Innovate" away from Apple, in an un-Apple fashion, and you risk doing just that that: the opposite of Apple, therefore doing everything Apple isn't, which means you're probably doing it wrong, highlighting everything wrong with the product or segment you're in before Apple arrived and fixed it.
2) Follow Apple, and even copy as closely as possible. The problem here is that you risk becoming a poor pretender, an obvious poseur peddling what is often a bad copy of an Apple product.
It's all come down to measuring, comparing, and contrasting the rest of the industry with Apple. This is what the industry has become, and consumers know it. And provided Apple can continue to stick to their philosophy and field a healthy executive team, this is how it'll be for the foreseeable future.
Just look at the items under discussion in the MR article:
Vizio (AIO)
Windows Phone
Ultrabooks
They're all about a response to Apple.
It's sort of a sad state of affairs, but if you're an Apple user it doesn't really matter.
Just one example of this phenomenon is below, and it isn't just confined to MS. Everyone is trying to respond to Apple.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...dows_phone_was_response_to_apples_iphone.html
Microsoft exec admits Windows Phone was response to Apple's iPhone
Microsoft's head of software design for Windows Phone has admitted that the company completely redesigned its mobile operating system platform as a response to Apple's iPhone and the "sea change" it created in the industry.
Joe Belfiore, one of the first engineers brought to the new Windows Phone team when it was formed, made the comments in an interview with The New York Times.
“Apple created a sea change in the industry in terms of the kinds of things they did that were unique and highly appealing to consumers,” he said. “We wanted to respond with something that would be competitive, but not the same.”
According to the report, "once the iPhone exploded into the marketplace, Microsoft executives knew that their software, as designed, could never compete." In December 2008, Microsoft's then head of mobile engineering called a meeting to decide the fate of its aging Windows Mobile software. Seven hours later, Myerson and his team decided to scrap the OS and start again from scratch.
“We had hit bottom,” said Myerson, who recently replaced Andy Lees as head of the Windows Phone division, adding that doing so gave the company "the freedom to try new things, build a new team and set a new path.”
Former Microsoft manager Charlie Kindel compared the decision to start over to mountain climber Aron Ralston's now famous accident where a boulder fell on his arm and he was forced to amputate it.
“This boulder comprised of Apple and Blackberry rolled on our arm,” he said. “Microsoft sat there for three or four years struggling to get out.”
While designing the new operating system, Microsoft deciding to strike a balance between Apple's highly-controlled approach and Android's more permissive strategy. It upset handset makers by instituting strict rules on the level of technical specifications required for Windows Phone devices in an attempt to avoid the fragmentation and performance issues that had plagued Windows Mobile and, to some extent, Android.
“It’s not just about software,” Albert Shum, general manager of the design studio for Windows Phone, told the Times. “It’s about the whole end-to-end experience.”
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer experienced "some hesitancy" after his first look at an early version of Windows Phone, according to Myerson, but the team made revisions to address his concerns.
The decision to start over was costly, as the two years that it took the software giant to create Windows Phone left iOS and Android with a huge opportunity in the smartphone market. Android held 25 percent of the worldwide smartphone market and iOS 16.6 percent in the third quarter of 2010, while Windows Mobile had dwindled to 2.7 percent. Windows Phone's first year on the market failed to reverse the trend, with Android holding 52.5 percent share an iOS claiming 15 percent, while Microsoft's portion slid to 1.5 percent in the third quarter of 2011.
The first reviews of the platform praised Windows Phone for its unique tile interface when it arrived in fall 2010, but they also noted that the operating system was several years behind Apple's iOS and Google's Android. Sales of Windows Phone devices since then have failed to gain significant momentum.
Myerson himself admits that the platform has faced an uphill climb because of the time it lost. “Entering the market so late with this experience has created some special challenges for us,” he said. “I think if we were there earlier it would be different.”
The mobile OS will have a second chance in the U.S. market early this year when the first Windows Phone-based Nokia devices arrive. Nearly a year ago, the Finnish handset maker announced that it was abandoning its Symbian OS in favor of a close partnership with Microsoft, but the first phones resulting from the deal have yet to arrive in the U.S..
The two companies are reportedly set to unveil the flagship Nokia Ace smartphone at the Consumer Electronics Show next week. The handset is also rumored to receive a $100 million marketing push from Microsoft, AT&T and Nokia, but even AT&T's own executives have confessed their belief that Windows Phone will see "a lot of challenges" in going up against its more-established competitors.
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The main point of discussion here should be about Gorilla Glass. If that's what is on the iPhone 4, then they should replace it with something else. Who bends their iPhone? No one. This stuff is ridiculously weak when dropped. If there were no issues with the glass there'd be no such thing as AppleCare plus.
Apple should focus on designing products that don't scratch or break so easily. How is it good industrial design to make Your portables so fragile that you are guaranteed to destroy them if you don't buy a protective accessory?
The main point of discussion here should be about Gorilla Glass. If that's what is on the iPhone 4, then they should replace it with something else. Who bends their iPhone? No one. This stuff is ridiculously weak when dropped. If there were no issues with the glass there'd be no such thing as AppleCare plus.
Apple should focus on designing products that don't scratch or break so easily. How is it good industrial design to make Your portables so fragile that you are guaranteed to destroy them if you don't buy a protective accessory?
Really? Have hard data to back that up? If it smashes so easily why is it the #1 handset sold at AT&T, Verizon and Sprint? Surely millions of people wouldn't buy a phone they know will be smashed if they drop it. Yes I know someone who had to replace the glass on their iPhone but I would assume its the exception not the norm otherwise we'd be reading about massive returns. Don't think the media wouldn't report that with glee just like they did with antennagate.
Scratching? Not really, I've taken a key to my screen purposefully many times and hadn't had a single scratch. The downside is that harder glass is more brittle....which is why they crack.
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Windows isn't the pig in the case of PC's, it's the hardware that is almost always shoddily manufactured.
I'm really hoping that GG2 incorporates some better anti-reflective/anti-glare properties without having to use a film.
That was my thought as well. It has a retro 2020 look to it. It reminds me of the designs you would see in old 70's si-fi on what the future would be like.
NOTE: This is not a bad thing. The design is actually very clean but it does have a unique retro feel to it. I question the spacing on the keys on the keyboard.
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Given the number of times my iPhone 4 has seen the concrete, I am think you are lying a bit. LOL.
The reason almost everything at CES seems to be for apple, or some pathetic form of competing with apple is because Apple is the only company really taking the industry somewhere these days. Those who won't innovate for themselves have no chance, except to react (or copy *cough* samsung) to stay alive.
Also, regarding the glass on the iPhone, i can't wait to see if they'll develop a self healing nano glass in the future (say by iPhone 20 or so) because it would be totally awesome!
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Trackpads have been around for a long time, too. It's not a terribly big deal.
What's funny is going to be how awfully that trackpad will run on windows - because without the correct drivers and good software, no multitouch gestures or two finger scrolling will be "smooth" and will probably frustrate consumers.
I'm really hoping to see some thunderbolt accessories at CES.
Also, regarding the glass on the iPhone, i can't wait to see if they'll develop a self healing nano glass in the future (say by iPhone 20 or so) because it would be totally awesome!
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Trackpads have been around for a long time, too. It's not a terribly big deal.
What's funny is going to be how awfully that trackpad will run on windows - because without the correct drivers and good software, no multitouch gestures or two finger scrolling will be "smooth" and will probably frustrate consumers.
I'm really hoping to see some thunderbolt accessories at CES.
Wonder if Apple has patents on their magic trackpad.
Vizio looks like it's going to make one too.
Serious question because I don't know and haven't used Windows extensively in a few years but is there built in support for a track pad like there is in LION, and early versions of OSX?