How do they still not understand, that (only) matte is not an option anymore, especially in Apple world.
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I wish they went with the design they used on the U3223QE which is so simple and minimal. If you can look past the design though, this should be an excellent monitor for productivity with all the features it has (that flip down forward facing USB hub looks very handy). Looking forward to seeing the price and how it could affect a future Pro XDR update from Apple.
CES 2023 First Look: Dell Debuts UltraSharp 32 6K Monitor, Packing IPS Black Panel Tech
Dell says its upcoming UltraSharp display is the world's first 6K resolution monitor using this special deep-contrast panel type.www.pcmag.com
Design is bad but the fact that we are getting above 200ppi is good for us all. Lets hope the trend continues so it pushes Apple to do better
Yeah, the camera bar gimmick is awful and hurts my eyes.
On the other hand the price could make this a very compelling purchase for those that can overlook this hideous thing.
The good thing is that maybe next year we might get an update down the line and get the same panel to another (more simple) design.
I'd also hope it would affect Apple's pricing for the updates that are yet to come. The minimum should be to include the stand
On the other hand the price could make this a very compelling purchase for those that can overlook this hideous thing.
The good thing is that maybe next year we might get an update down the line and get the same panel to another (more simple) design.
I'd also hope it would affect Apple's pricing for the updates that are yet to come. The minimum should be to include the stand
LG made Apple's 5K panels through the whole panel product lifetime. the 5K panels that other used several years ago were LG made also.
Apple doesn't 'own' 5K. They may have asked Samsung to build an alternative to the updated LG panel they are now using. [ LG may not be all that eager to keep making them. ]. There may have been an agreement not to sales pitch the panel to other system vendors for a while ( Apple may had something like a 'first refusal' right. ). Unless Apple is paying for the R&D, they don't really get to own the details on the product. NDA that Apple is looking for a product.
If Samsung paid for the R&D themselves they can choose not to talk about it. ( everything in their R&D labs isn't on full, complete public disclosure). However, that is more a choice than a contractual bond. If Apple is the only other folks interested in one then not much upside in talking to anyone else in the short term.
We don’t know for sure yet if this is actually a Samsung panel. There is a good chance it is, but Samsung isn’t obliged to only ever use Samsung panels. The various Samsung divisions are relatively independent from each other. In fact, Samsung’s TV arm was growing increasingly frustrated with Samsung’s display panel manufacturing arm and actually began negotiations to buy LG OLED panels. However, Samsung’s display panel manufacturing arm now makes OLEDs for TVs.
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Come on... why they had to mess up this design so bad? This doesn't make sense for me at all as Dell is definitely able to make quite good looking monitors. They had their chance to create the perfect XDR competitor, but, with this design, I doubt this gonna happen.CES 2023 First Look: Dell Debuts UltraSharp 32 6K Monitor, Packing IPS Black Panel Tech
Dell says its upcoming UltraSharp display is the world's first 6K resolution monitor using this special deep-contrast panel type.
Design is bad but the fact that we are getting above 200ppi is good for us all. Lets hope the trend continues so it pushes Apple to do better
Ultimately, I agree, a high PPI is even more important than the design, so I am definitely grateful that this monitor will exist.
Sorry guys, forget the Samsung! Dell has announced the 6K monitor!
Here's some info (unfortunately only in German but you'll have to translate it with a translator): DELL UltraSharp 32 6K Monitor (U3224KB)
It is basically all CES press release material.
Dell unveils a 6K monitor with an IPS Black panel
Dell's latest UltraSharp monitors include a 31.5-inch 6K display with an IPS Black panel. It says this can deliver 41 percent deeper blacks and up to 1.2 times better color accuracy than regular IPS panel
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CES 2023 First Look: Dell Debuts UltraSharp 32 6K Monitor, Packing IPS Black Panel Tech
Dell says its upcoming UltraSharp display is the world's first 6K resolution monitor using this special deep-contrast panel type.
it will be on dozens of sites in various languages by the end of the day.
IPS Black, 6K , 4K HDR webcam, DisplayPort 2.1 , built-in KVM, Ethernet Jack, 'Ultrasharp' branded ... this probably isn't going to be more affordable than the Studio Display.
Not coming until Q2.
So I just bought the Apple Studio Display and now Dell and Samsung decide to announce these displays? What in the hell.
Not saying that I'm unhappy with the Apple Studio Display, but it is not a very flexible display as it is clearly designed to be used with Apple products.
Dell and Samsung will work better with non-Apple products, so if they don't have PWM flickering, I might have went for either of those displays maybe.
Not saying that I'm unhappy with the Apple Studio Display, but it is not a very flexible display as it is clearly designed to be used with Apple products.
Dell and Samsung will work better with non-Apple products, so if they don't have PWM flickering, I might have went for either of those displays maybe.
I guess you weren’t following the rumours. The rumours from last summer had suggested new 5K monitors were in the pipeline for 2023, and occasional rumours were suggesting even a possible 6K in the pipeline.
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Making a non-TV ( no tuner) would be a good excuse for some Samsung wing to buy a LG panel.
With no large screen iMac to drive volume, it can't be all the interesting for LG either without some other buyer(s). Blocking as many vendors as possible from the Studio Display panel doesn't make any sense. SD isn't going to generate enough volume to make the panel economical all by itself. And Apple appears to be in no hurry what so ever to anything in the large screen iMac market. So it isn't another Apple product that would help.Sorry guys, forget the Samsung! Dell has announced the 6K monitor!
Here's some info (unfortunately only in German but you'll have to translate it with a translator): DELL UltraSharp 32 6K Monitor (U3224KB)
Got excited when I saw this headline until I saw the webcam. Yikes! I don't even want a webcam on my monitor at all. If I do I can buy one and clip it on. I want tiny bezels, no logo, no webcam, no speakers, a good stand that can be swapped for VESA, and a glossy display. Why can't anyone deliver any of that in a 5k display that's not obnoxiously overpriced like Apple. Stop putting matte finishes on high end monitors, it looks HORRIBLE.
If only I knew a contact address at DELL where I could write exactly this opinion, I would do it immediately. I love DELL monitors. They make really good quality at mostly fair prices, so I would like a monitor like you wrote, but please with 120Hz on top
Yep, if the design wasn't this hideous then I'm sure Dell would give Apple some head scratchers but with this design I'm sure they are laughing at Apple right now.
Who comes up with crap like this? It feels that Apple has some secret pact with other manufacturers that they won't create anything beautiful. I mean - who in their right mind would create this monstrosity?
Damn, so close and yet so far :-(
Who comes up with crap like this? It feels that Apple has some secret pact with other manufacturers that they won't create anything beautiful. I mean - who in their right mind would create this monstrosity?
Damn, so close and yet so far :-(
I couldn't phrase it better than you. Exactly !
Also have to emphasise here, the price of this monitor will probably be too expensive for the crappy design + functionality (its just IPS, no mini LED) they offer. The 4K version of this monitor (U3223QZ) already costs around 1400$. I assume it will probably around 3K.
For 3K you can almost get a used XDR or two Studio Displays that look and probably function better than this (at least for Macs).
U3223QZ chassis
Dell UltraSharp 32 4K Video Conferencing Monitor - U3223QZ | Dell USA
View the Dell UltraSharp 32 Inch Video Conferencing Monitor (U3223QZ) with an intelligent 4K webcam & IPS Black technology or view all Dell computer monitors at Dell.com.
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Doesn't mean they cannot loop back later in the year and put another suffix on it and drop the camera (e.g., QZ and QE ) . Feature compare between the two 4K models.
The panel costs are probably higher so I wouldn't expect the QZ price point for this. The QZ costs more than the QE which makes it easier to hold onto the margins to make this worthwhile. As the base price creeps higher it makes less and less sense to sell two, largely fratricidal , monitors with exactly the same panel in them.
( if there is a supply glut of panels and are being 'dump' by the supplier than would even off the trade-offs. )
Doubtful Apple views this as serious competition to the XDR. There are rumors of an Apple monitor that would sit in the middle between Studio Display and XDR ( 27" 5K mini-LED) . This Dell monitor likely would be more problematical for that.
The list price for the QZ is $1,599. The better (higher pixel density and better backlight) panel probably costs more, but it would be surprising to see Dell go past $2,599. The rest of the monitor is basically the same. And if price lands close to $2,099 it is will cause problems for the Studio Display also far more than for the XDR.
If Apple pushed out some $3K 5K screen then might get folks willing to trade mini-LED backlight for more pixels (6K vs 5K) for several hundred dollars less.
Highly doubtful that this 'makes' Apple roll out an XDR replacement earlier than they had planned. ( which is likely not any time soon given track record of > 5 years squatting on 30" display and initial Thunderbolt models ).
Yeah, but only if you buy up front. Some of us change and the connection for the stand should be a VESA mount.
Sorry guys, forget the Samsung! Dell has announced the 6K monitor!
Here's some info (unfortunately only in German but you'll have to translate it with a translator): DELL UltraSharp 32 6K Monitor (U3224KB)
This Dell 6K monitor has 6144x3456 pixels.
Can we use it (in native resolution) with recent M1/M2 Macs that only support up to 6016x3384 pixels?
If they later put that panel into QE then that would pretty much be perfect screen for a tons of mac users if the price is not too crazy. Seeing how XDR is crazy expensive and this would be just awesome resolution screen, well, make it $1999 and it will be a massive winner for tons of us.
All I want is a HiPPI screen thats 30+" so this would be perfect.
I really hope you are right and we will get it in QE later
All I want is a HiPPI screen thats 30+" so this would be perfect.
I really hope you are right and we will get it in QE later
U3223QZ chassis
Dell UltraSharp 32 4K Video Conferencing Monitor - U3223QZ | Dell USA
View the Dell UltraSharp 32 Inch Video Conferencing Monitor (U3223QZ) with an intelligent 4K webcam & IPS Black technology or view all Dell computer monitors at Dell.com.www.dell.com
Doesn't mean they cannot loop back later in the year and put another suffix on it and drop the camera (e.g., QZ and QE ) . Feature compare between the two 4K models.
The panel costs are probably higher so I wouldn't expect the QZ price point for this. The QZ costs more than the QE which makes it easier to hold onto the margins to make this worthwhile. As the base price creeps higher it makes less and less sense to sell two, largely fratricidal , monitors with exactly the same panel in them.
( if there is a supply glut of panels and are being 'dump' by the supplier than would even off the trade-offs. )
Doubtful Apple views this as serious competition to the XDR. There are rumors of an Apple monitor that would sit in the middle between Studio Display and XDR ( 27" 5K mini-LED) . This Dell monitor likely would be more problematical for that.
The list price for the QZ is $1,599. The better (higher pixel density and better backlight) panel probably costs more, but it would be surprising to see Dell go past $2,599. The rest of the monitor is basically the same. And if price lands close to $2,099 it is will cause problems for the Studio Display also far more than for the XDR.
If Apple pushed out some $3K 5K screen then might get folks willing to trade mini-LED backlight for more pixels (6K vs 5K) for several hundred dollars less.
Highly doubtful that this 'makes' Apple roll out an XDR replacement earlier than they had planned. ( which is likely not any time soon given track record of > 5 years squatting on 30" display and initial Thunderbolt models ).
From a technical point of view, I'm thinking probably yes, since it's just a 4% difference in the number of pixels.
However, who knows if it's going to have other compatibility issues or not.
For all those talking about matte being a negative on this panel there seems to be 4 types of matte:
- old style plastic matte, fuzzy text and sparkly white backgrounds
- new style plastic matte, text barely different to glossy, no sparkles
- Apple nano etched, fuzzy text