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CES 2023: Samsung's Latest Monitors Include an Apple Studio Display Rival, Updated M8 Smart Monitor
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I actually bought an M8 a few months ago, and it's been a phenomenal display for work purposes alongside my 16" M1P MBP.
The S9 would interest me, but seeing as how the M8 will be updated with portrait orientation options, the possibility of buying another down the line is there. Or just getting the "old" M8 for cheap, and then have two of those beastly displays for work.
I'll certainly be the envy of the office, what with the standard 24" display everyone else uses.
The S9 would interest me, but seeing as how the M8 will be updated with portrait orientation options, the possibility of buying another down the line is there. Or just getting the "old" M8 for cheap, and then have two of those beastly displays for work.
I'll certainly be the envy of the office, what with the standard 24" display everyone else uses.
The one good thing about TV interfaces is that they can safely be bypassed on most TVs, at least after initial configuration. You only see the ads if you're actively using their OS. But if you're just displaying stuff from one of the inputs, then you never see the OS. One can hope it's the same way with the Samsung S9. (No ads at all would be better though of course.)
That's one reason I didn't buy either the Apple Studio Display or the LG UltraFine 5K.
Nice aesthetic to match say a Mac Studio. Of course, we always say, but it doesn’t have the Apple logo on it. But maybe that’s a good thing based on the disastrous launch of the Studio Display. Apple dropped the ball on that one and it makes wonder if they can be trusted to make relatively affordable peripherals without cutting corners.
Of course they can. They're just gouging. The 27" 5K iMac started at $1799. The Studio Display starts at $1599. Both have 5K retina panels. Both have a webcam and speakers. In addition, the iMac included...a Mac, a keyboard, and a mouse!
We are left with three options:
1. Mac components are dirt cheap, which means Macs are grossly overpriced.
2. Display components are dirt cheap, which means the Studio Display is grossly overpriced.
3. Both Mac and display components are dirt cheap and we're being ripped off on everything.
Take your pick!
I picked up one of the LG Ultra Fine 4K displays from Amazon a few weeks ago and can't be more happier. the extra thunderbolt port and the three USB-C ports are sooo convenient. Speakers are ok, better than most (but not in comparison to the Studio Display). Very hard to tell the difference in color and quality picture when attached to my M1 MacBook Pro. (just slightly, but not a big deal).
Would be interested to see the 5K screen matted without being glossy. I think it is a first in 5k to my knowledge. Will also keep a watch on the Samsung. I was one that could not justify the cost of a Studio Display. Went to a retail store that had it many many times and looked and used to convenience me that the experience and cost was worth the dent in my wallet. Could not do it.
Matte coating?!? Ugh why would you make a pro-monitor with matte coating, it completely ruins the image. Can’t find a single glossy display anymore except Apple’s overpriced displays.
That is what is a litle 'odd' here. Samsung must have some other clients for this panel lined up. Either that or it will be another really short trip where this 5K panel falls off a cliff in 1-2 years.
Apple went far longer than the others in part because they just herded millions of iMac users into buying the panel. If wanted a mid range performance , desktop Mac with a good GPU ... iMac 27" 5K was your only choice. Because Apple sold the volume the panel stuck around at a reasonable enough price for Apple's system price point.
Dell and the other folks tried to charge an 'arm and a leg' when their solution came out and the volume uptick was relatively low. They then tried to cut prices which only marginally helped. ( Windows software hiccups at the time didn't help. ). Most of these folks tried to take advantage of temporary pricing spike and Apple priced it long term all along (and sold millions of panels ).
If this panel shows up in some other CES 2023 product announcements ( or 'sneak previews') that would make more sense. But Samsung supplying themselves only over the long term probably runs into issues. ( too high a price. or eventual lack of interest. )
P.S. I initially though this was going to undercut the $1,599 studio display, but starting to look like it may not. The built in calibration and some other features will get a high mark up. Samsung just takes higher profits for a couple of years and fades.
If they don’t provide a glossy coating it ain’t a true contenderWow, someone else finally sells a 5K display, maybe this will finally give Apple some pricing competition?
Samsung takes on Apple and LG with its own 5K display for creative pros
It’s the same size and same resolution as the Studio Display.www.theverge.com
ViewFinity S9 specs
- 27-inch 5K panel (5120 x 2880)
- 99% DCI-P3
- Built-in color calibration engine
- Average Delta E ≦ 21 color accuracy
- USB-C and Thunderbolt 4 connectivity
- Matte display finish
- Built-in 4K webcam
- Samsung Smart Hub
Glossy is why I would buy an apple display (assuming I’m crazy enough for that)
Enough plastic to justify the 500€ difference with the studio display , if not more
Feel free to spend more for aluminum though
Based on this comparative pic from dpreview (https://www.dpreview.com/news/42685...onitor-is-coming-after-apple-s-studio-display), the Samsung has narrower, more modern-looking side and top bezels (like on the XDR), at the expense of a wider bottom bezel (where, IMO, it doesn't matter).
I'd prefer narrow side bezels because I run three monitors and like their display areas to be as close as possible. Right now I overlap their bezels to achieve that (the side bezels on my 27" iMac are >1" wide), but it's a bit of a kluge. Plus they just look nicer.
Guess we'll need to wait for CES this month to find out Samsung's pricing. The Samsung has a height/tilt-adjustable stand and a matte screen, which would set you back $2,300 on the ASD; plus the Samsung's stand has the ability to do portrait mode, which is unavailable with the ASD's stands--you'd need to go with VESA for that.
I'd prefer narrow side bezels because I run three monitors and like their display areas to be as close as possible. Right now I overlap their bezels to achieve that (the side bezels on my 27" iMac are >1" wide), but it's a bit of a kluge. Plus they just look nicer.
Guess we'll need to wait for CES this month to find out Samsung's pricing. The Samsung has a height/tilt-adjustable stand and a matte screen, which would set you back $2,300 on the ASD; plus the Samsung's stand has the ability to do portrait mode, which is unavailable with the ASD's stands--you'd need to go with VESA for that.
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I’m sure it’s the same price as the base ASD. It’s the options that people are upset over.
From the article „The M8 now pivots up to 90 degrees for a portrait orientation, and it supports VESA standards for those who prefer different mounting solutions.“
You see Video Editors or Compositors aren't the only people who will use it. For me a 3D artist & Vis Dev/Concept artist I have no issue with the inbuilt speakers, nor it has to be as accurate as something like Sony Trimaster. It just needs to show some accurate color to a certain degree & many of us will be fine with it.
Yeah, dpreviews mentioned it would have made more sense for the ASD's target audience if they'd put the BOM into a 10-bit panel (like on the XDR) instead of the fancy speakers and camera—or just kept the panel as-is but left the bells and whistles out, enabling them to keep their profit margins while selling for a lower price.
Tell me about it. When I saw this article, my eyes opened and I hastily started reading it with great interest.. up to the point when I saw the "matte coating" part. What a freaking let-down.
Apple pretty much remains the only option to avoid the fuzzy text and looking at monitor image that appears like it has sparkly dust all over it.
I know there is at least one glossy alternative for 4k displays currently available, but for 5k.. nope. You go Apple or you go home. This Samsung is a hard pass.
Thanks Jared! It's a curved one I'm looking for, now I know more! 👍
Yes, it will be just like all those times Apple slashed the price on the MacBook Air when Lenovo released a new Thinkpad.
Thats about my guess as well. I will be very surprised if it is sub-$1200.
It does, for gaming. It is not a great DPI for Macintosh which shoots for about 110 ppi. So, you don't have a native scaling mode, and the DPI is still low enough that software scaling will look "blurry"
Apple just got back into the 5k screen market. It wasn't like LG or Dell were selling 5k displays at $699 retail in the meantime.
7k at 32" would be a bit of a waste. An 8k 43", on the other hand...