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iPhone 4 priced to sell s 8 gigs would be a killer low end product. The 4 is an amazing phone and this thing would hop.
 
At this point, I don't care what it's called or what it's going to look like. I'm going to upgrade because I need to get rid of my 3GS.

Just wait till Tuesday.
 
who cares what it's called, it just needs to work...

Naming it 4S just because it's a small bump would imply that the next major one will be called 5 even though it's the 6th generation...that would just be confusing.

It implies nothing, nor would it necessarily be confusing as you claim. Why can't Apple just go from a 5th generation iPhone potentially named "iPhone 4S" to a 6th gen labeled as "iPhone 6"??? Remember they skipped over an "iPhone 2" before, so who's to say they won't skip a number again?



People do this because the numbering and suffix usually indicates a redesign or not. An "S" simply added to a 4 would signify no redesign, and a 5 would likely signal a redesign. That's why there's so much fuss over it.

That's also why, potentially, we won't be seeing a new-look iPhone “5”. Don't fret, I'm bummed about this (more than likely) scenario too.



I just don't like 4S as a name. It just confuses customers. Not that they need help being confused.

As I recall, people don't seem to be too confused between the capabilities of iPhones named "3G "and "3GS," so this statement doesn't hold much weight other than that of a personal preference based on wishful thinking rather than any established marketing savvy insight.



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Regardless of the name of the thing, I'm looking forward to what it has housed under that shiny glass and metal.

To have iPhone4 level hardware as the low end alternative will be an incredible offer too considering the power of the thing.

It's too early to pass judgement on whats coming yet.

Well said!



Unless the 4S can do something that totally blows me away (and Assistant won't do it) I won't be wasting my upgrade eligibility on it. If they offered me an early upgrade when the redesign does arrive, then ya, sure, I'll get the 4S. But waiting 20 months between phones is killer and I don't see me wanting to rock the 4S for 20 months.

That's the problem with a lot of folks is that they often get caught up mainly over the “form” rather than enjoying the “function” of their gadgets. Yes, we all want our little gizmos looking slick and “in fashion” but in the end, especially if you're willing to drop $200-$700 on a phone, instead of being concerned about it “looking newer/cool”, be more focused on whether it damn well does as advertised and kicks butt in performance. No matter what Apple names their next generation iPhone I have NO DOUBT that it will be an AWESOME gadget to have in hand, so why can't that just be good enough for some of you people? It's as if Apple can't spoil you enough, sheesh.



Another Phone.

LOL! Brillant.:)
 
why is everyone seemingly obsessed with a re-design?

Shouldn't it be functionality over form?


Because some of us HATE the current square, easy to break glass back, design. The feel of the 3G/3GS is much nicer in the hand. What was proposed as the possible iPhone 5 looked at least interesting.
 
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OSUGuy said:
Setting my expectations very low at this point and preparing nasty emails to Tim Cook.

Why would they make Tim's first keynote be a crappy spec bump? He'll be crucified in the media. Screw the Assistant feature, Apple HAS to release new hardware to keep mindshare.

This makes too much sense now:
N90A = reduction of iPhone 4 storage to 8gb
N94 = 16 or 32gb iPhone 4S

All the carrier references, cases, and that one twit pic with an iPhone 5 label showing 64gb are exciting but it's not looking good at this point. Apple's biggest misstep in a while.

If this is true how would it be a mis step? The iPhone 4 is an amazing device. A spec bump keeps it at the top if the hill. With the next redesign likely coming in less than 12 months it makes perfect sense and will be a massive success.

Both the 4 and 4s will top smartphone sales charts in 2012, perhaps with an iPhone 5 joining them.
 
Why all the whining?

Apple never played by the rules of others. The others release new designs/products twice a year doesn't mean Apple should do that too.

As a matter of fact, A stable design that last a few years shows more confidence and exclusivity in a product. I can only speak for myself, but I always found the iPhone 4 design stunning and beautiful. I am happy they maintain that design.

"New" isn't always better, Never change a winning team. I think apple is just doing fine ;)

With kind regards,
Bas
 
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DaGreat01 said:
I really don't think the next iPhone is going to be called iPhone "4S". I think the only reason Apple did that with the 3GS was because it actually was the 3rd generation of iPhones. That put the iPhone names on track with the generations. The next one will be called 5 no matter if its a small bump or a while new design.

Naming it 4S just because it's a small bump would imply that the next major one will be called 5 even though it's the 6th generation...that would just be confusing.

Not if you correlate the numbers with actual product designs then it makes perfect sense. People keep trying to apply these generational labels to it and that is not the case. Apple gives an updated iPhone design a name. If the make a subsequent device with the same design it is using the same number designation.

The first three devices were iPhone, iPhone 3 and 3GS. Why anyone thinks that has any generational correlation is beyond me.

They could call the next new design the iPhone extreme and if they bumped the specs the following year it would be the iPhone extreme s
 
Reason for not passing inspection

FYI, those iPhones didn't pass inspection because the "lenses were stained/smudged"
 
The N90A is Sprint's version of the iPhone 4 and "4S" is simply a placeholder name.
Sprint will be selling the iPhone 4S (but calling it the iPhone 4) as well as the iPhone 5.
Having only one model phone when the other carriers get two would never have been acceptable to Sprint.
AT&T and Verizon will continue to sell their existing iPhone 4 as well as the iPhone 5.
It's quite simple.
 
What interests me about all this is these cases. Where did they really come from?

I was looking forward to something new in terms of design, not because I dislike iPhone 4, but because After having a phone for 16 months I'm ready for something different.

There's no question that part of Apples strategy is to be on all major carriers, and haves great OS..which they are going to be. However, I feel that if was a hardware redesign, it would have been the icing on the cake. Many people buy android for hardware reasons. The apps on android aren't as polished, but people are still buying their phones partially because of hardware.

Another thing is that the 3GS came out BEFORE the Nexus One by 6 months. I'm sure Apple didn't feel any threat from android till the Nexus One. This is a different game now, and android is growing like crazy. Hardware plays a large factor IMO. If I were Apple (which obviously I'm not) I would try to make it as difficult as possible to buy anything but an iPhone 5 - by having new hardware and new software.
 
The N90A is Sprint's version of the iPhone 4 and "4S" is simply a placeholder name.
Sprint will be selling the iPhone 4S (but calling it the iPhone 4) as well as the iPhone 5.
Having only one model phone when the other carriers get two would never have been acceptable to Sprint.
AT&T and Verizon will continue to sell their existing iPhone 4 as well as the iPhone 5.
It's quite simple.

So you say the S is for Sprint? I see...:D I like this one.
 
That is NOT true with electronics!!

Back in 92, when I Photographed one of the first Iridium Phone Prototypes, the thing was Tiny, the first Test Model (when we put a satellite in semi Orbit on the SR-71) the unit was HUUUGE in comparison, but the actual Production Model was Tiny again!!

On a larger Scale, Speedotron, a Studio Strobe manufacturer went with smaller units, yielding the same power due to better and more efficient electronics, the units were still big due to the need of multiple capacitors.

This is possibly one of the oddest things I've seen posted on MacRumors.

Interesting, but odd.
 
I thought Foxxconn wasn't in Brazil yet manufacturing anything because they weren't getting any "deals" with the government. I just read an article today saying that they will start manufacturing at the end of the year. Maybe this is just a hoax.
Nope.
The deal's problem is in the new plant (just for iPad's production, not for iPhones, notebooks, netbooks and motherboards). Well...

The first factory is in the cities of Manaus, AM (since 2005), Indaiatuba, SP (2006), and Santa Rita do Sapucaí, MG (2010), both cellular manufacturing and/or assembly, and components; and computer's manufacturing and assembly (motherboard, notebooks and netbooks) in Jundiaí, SP.

> Motherboards: Intel, ASUS, Pegatron, PCware, VS (Visum) Company, Foxconn;
> VGAs: Leadtek, ASUS, Gigabyte, other brands (low-end market);
> Notebooks and netbooks: Dell, HP, LG, Sony, and other brands (low-end market).

Foxconn is well established in Brazil, but apart from the geeks, few knew that he was the "maker" of Apple products and that was in the Brazilian market. Now, what is surprising is the assembly of the iPhone 4S / 5 here in Brazil too.
 
Because some of us HATE the current square, easy to break glass back, design. The feel of the 3G/3GS is much nicer in the hand. What was proposed as the possible iPhone 5 looked at least interesting.

So true. My iPhone 4 was stolen a few weeks ago, and I have been using my old 3G since then. It is a MUCH more comfortable phone to hold, and I can honestly say that I've enjoyed talking on it a whole lot more than the iPhone 4. But everything else on it sucks :p
 
Because some of us HATE the current square, easy to break glass back, design. The feel of the 3G/3GS is much nicer in the hand. What was proposed as the possible iPhone 5 looked at least interesting.

Absolutely this! The mockups going back to curved designs would be a godsend - I've never liked how the 4 feels, especially holding it landscape. But I guess the stylish and comfortable curved look is the domain of other phones now :(.
 
One of the 27" iMacs I had was assembled in the US. I had to return it though due to yellow tint issues (go figure, the American assembled unit is defective) and opt in for the Chinese one after. And the Chinese one was better.

So the ****** china made LG display panel was broken and the next ****** china panel wasn't? ASSEMBLED IN US. not made from raw materials in US.

To say that anything from china is superior in quality is just retarded.
 
Demands for a phone:

Bigger screen. Everyone else has it.

LTE option. Everyone else has it. Let us use 3G only to save batter life.

A5/8mp camera is OK but...A4/5mp is fine, too!

Basically, its not an unrealistic expectation to expect Apple to have as good of a product as their competitors. By all accounts, the Galaxy S II is a great phone, and people constantly trash talk competition here, but the iPhone isn't the only game in town.

And that's why the whining. We like iOS. But if Apple releases a small iPhone that lacks any sort of LTE support, why buy one? Cause its an iPhone? Psst: The Galaxy is a luxury phone too. If the iPhone is the BMW, the Galaxy is the Mercedes, get it? If the iPhone is the Heinz, and the 3GS is the Hunts, then the Galaxy is the...well, homemade tomato sauce. And that's the issue.

That's the only reason I can think of Apple suing Samsung like they are: They can't match their innovation, and are claiming that somehow Samsung (instead of Google, for obvious reasons now) is copying them. It turns out, however, that Apple has just fallen behind-that's the only reason they didn't play this card last year.
 
People on here keep asking what a redesign would bring. Well, I'll tell you what I would like to see in a redesign.

Bigger screen
Durable design (no more fragile glass on the front and back)
Better antenna design
Curved edges (much like the iPad 2. Curved edges, still lays flat. This makes it feel much better in the hand. Personally, I like the feel of the 3GS much better than the iPhone 4. Feeling sharp edges against a curved hand just feels weird and unnatural. Imagine if something else you were to touch a lot was in a box shape ;))
Tear drop design (If it is subtle enough to not make holding it in landscape awkward, it would help be nice to have it thinner towards the bottom in portrait)
Elongated home button (not necessary, don't even know if multitouch gestures here would feel natural or awkward)

Those, I think, are reasons for a new design.

Yes, the iPhone 4 looks classy. But I prefer functionality over looks. And if you can have both, even better. I think with a redesign, there could be both. But there is not both with an iPhone 4.

I will be buying either way because I am coming from a 3GS and it is just too slow. The main thing I am looking for is features here, not design. However, with the new design would come added features, such as bigger screen. But going from an awful 3MP camera to an 8MP camera that fits in my pocket would be great, although I still plan on using my 60D for important stuff. And going from whatever crap CPU is in the 3GS to a dual core A5, most likely underclocked a bit to save battery, will be nice. Also, the possibility of 1GB would be great. But even 512MB would be an upgrade. As for Assistant, I am excited about it. Apple always has a wow factor, and if this is it, you better believe it will work incredibly. Even the speech recognition on my 3GS doesn't have any problems. Gets all that I say almost every time.

And I understand that all you current iPhone 4 owners seem to keep saying that you don't want a redesign, are hoping for just a 4S, or think it shouldn't be redesigned because you like the current design. Chances are some of you, not all, are just saying that because you don't want to feel that your phone is inferior to the newest one. Or you want people to easily be able to see that you have the "latest and greatest." Well, get over yourself.

I am still hoping for an iPhone 5, but the facts say otherwise. People at Apple have been busy this year around. ICloud is taking a lot of hard work by employees, as is iOS 5. And with them designing the iPad 2 and Apple TV since the iPhone 4 release, they have had a lot on their plates. This seems to make up for the longer than usual wait. And obviously their design team hasn't just been sitting around doing nothing.

However, I still think it would be stupid for them to say, "Here is the new iOS 5! Here is the new A5 chip! And here is the new iPhone 4S!" The 3GS lined everything up. They also didn't need a new design then because they didn't have as much competition as they do now.

If Assistant is the wow factor and needs upgraded internals, they could very easily make the iPhone 4S be the low end model at $99 BECAUSE they want Assistant to be in the hands of more people. Look at what they did with the 4th gen iPod touch. They even upgraded their low end option so that FaceTime could be in the hands of more people. They could easily do the same thing here. Then a cheap 8GB iPhone 4 could be free with a 2 year contract. We just don't know yet!

Apple loves uniformity and unison. Take the iPhone 4. 4th generation iPhone, A4 chip, iOS 4, thus named iPhone 4! They could and should do the same thing with the iPhone 5, whether or not it is a redesign. However, it should be a redesign to keep unison. Take their 3 best selling mobile devices: iPad, iPhone, and iPod touch. The iPhone is the only one that is missing the tapered design.

I'm praying for an iPhone 5 with a new design. However, just a simple spec bump will be nice from the 3GS. But using that awfully designed iPhone 4 won't be so nice.



Its a place holder in their logistics and inventory system. Friend of mine works for a large international carrier in managerial level and has no idea what's coming. They only know it's the new iPhone but that's the far as it goes. These are the same guys who are responsible for day to day operations so that explains why you have something like iPhone 5 in the inventory lists as a placeholder. You have to be a top executive have real knowledge of future iPhones and those guys have nothing to do with these lists.

If you have to be a top executive, how come the CEO of China's largest carrier uses the term iPhone 5?
 
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Why are you waiting for a radical redesign? Just because Apple redesigned the iPhone last year, it doesn't mean they will do it every year. The iPhone 4 is just plain beautiful.

Teardrop design my ass!
 
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Why are you waiting for a radical redesign? Just because Apple redesigned the iPhone last year, it doesn't mean they will do it every year. The iPhone 4 is just plain beautiful.

Teardrop design my ass!

Just because it looks good doesn't mean it's the best or even very durable/functional, such as the iPhone 4. However, devices can be both functional and look good, which is my hope for a redesigned iPhone.

My Apple display looks beautiful too, but thats when it is off!

The glare is extremely annoying and I much prefer my Dell u2311h (matte) right next to it.

I personally would like to see a new design, not necessarily radical, for my reasons above. No need for radical, just fix the dang problems!
 
Absolutely this! The mockups going back to curved designs would be a godsend - I've never liked how the 4 feels, especially holding it landscape. But I guess the stylish and comfortable curved look is the domain of other phones now :(.

Hmmm. Guess I'll have to stick with the 3GS, or consider another phone, if all we're getting is a bunch of 4s. The 4 just feels so ghastly to hold . . . .
 
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