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Honestly I like the Android Widgets.... Epic :) I think Apple have a lot to do with iOS5 !!!
 
The only shred of hope I have for not seeing leaks of an iPhone 5 leak is that people that used to leak info have been caught and arrested. Maybe that's why we're not seeing leaks on the iPhone 5.
 
I really don't understand you people. You are only complaining about that you probably won't get a bigger screen and a new design, is that all?

Millions of 3G and 3GS owners would buy the 4S as well (even if they have to admit that iPhone 4 looks freakin good). New software, new internal hardware, the same superb screen, the same top quality. Would it be a huge loss for Apple? Nuts...

Millions of people would buy the 4S, that's the end of the story. And next year Apple can come out with something more revolutionary than only a "fantastic extra larga extra huge screen and fantastic tapered design". That will be the iPhone 6. Face it. :)
 
I actually didn't know Foxconn was already manufacturing iPhones in Brazil - good news anyway. It will be refreshing to see places other than Japan or China indicated on Apple devices (although my last two iMacs were actually assembled in the Czech Republic AND the US).

As for the reason for QC rejection of that device in the picture, please use the right grammatical gender in Portuguese: it's "Lentes ManchadAs"..! :rolleyes:

And for those confused about the lineup, this iPhone 4 will just fill the boots of the previous 3GS - there will be NO press-release about it, just inventory updates:

- iPhone 4 (universal) - budget option, especially for developinp/emerging markets and the numerous poor US citizens;

- iPhone 4S - updated iPhone 4, no redesign, low-mid market segments;

- iPhone 5 - brand new iPhone with all bells and whistles, high-end segment.
 
screen size just isn't that important to me. At the moment I use a 3.7" Nexus one, and the screen is fine, but I wouldn't want it to be any bigger.

Big screens on phones = bigger phones. And I for one would prefer to keep the balance of size/functionality on a smart phone close to where it already is.

If apple could squeeze a slightly larger screen into the existing iphone footprint, then so be it. But I would not want the iPhone's footprint to get any larger than it already is.

It's all subjective. Some want larger and some don't. For me I'd love a larger screen, but upon further contemplation I've come to the conclusion that it isn't a deal breaker for me. I can live with a 3.5" screen that is twice as fast with a better camera and IOS5 more than I would with an Android device with a 4" screen that lacks the quality of apps and Eco-system that Apple provides.

I tend to think that people are going just a tad overboard with the "Apple is doomed if there's no redesign" talk. The iPhone would be just as competitive with it's current design and upgraded internals as it was last year against the competition. Android OS hasn't surpassed iOS5 to a point where it's detrimental and 4" screen phones haven't equaled a lack of popularity for the iPhone in the slightest so far.

Like I said Sprint currently offers a variety of Android devices with 4"-4.3" screens (Evo, Photon, Evo 3D, etc.) and I wouldn't choose any of those devices over an iPhone 4S. I know ALOT of customers who are on Sprint that feel the same way, the thought of an iPhone with a TRUE unlimited data plan is enticing to them, Apple won't be in any danger of suffering some massif drop in popularity/sales if they don't redesign. They'll be just fine
 
I know it's vain, but there is something unsatisfying about having my brand new phone look identical to one released a year and a half ago. I realize Apple did this with the 3G and 3GS and I didn't care then, but now ...

Oh well, maybe next year. The only rumour I've heard of iOS 6 is that it brings a UI overhaul, perhaps Apple may change the appearance the iPhone at that time as well. Ugh, and I apologize for having brought up iOS 6 and the 6th iPhone ... I really hope the rumour mill takes 4 months off before beginning iPhone 6 speculation. I need a break.
 
Madness

I know a lot of peeps who have been waiting for a redesign. It's been 16 months now and they're still on the same model. Now I personally like the design, but it is the design that got the slagging/hammering from the world press and customers fro the loss of signal, and got the extremely negative public attention ... Remember mud sticks.

So to have Mr Cook come on stage for his first public world press event and announce new insides in the same design will be suicide PR wise, he will get hung in the press. Most of us know that he inside will be better, faster, newer, but unfortunately we live is superficial world and to have the same design (especially one of such notoriety) on a mobile phone device 16 month later maybe cool to some, but is a sign of lack of imagination to others.

No-one said there would be a redesign of the iPhone, but is madness not to do so for so many reasons
 
I agree ade2bee, mud does stick and I've held on to my 3gs specifically because of the fact that I could not bring myself to buy a phone with a design flaw. If tim cook 's debut is NOT about the iphone5 well...
 
You own a 3GS, how is the concept of a 4S so hard to understand?

The 3GS was the third generation iPhone and was an update to the 3G which was the first 3G capable iPhone, hence the name. The iPhone 4 was named so because it is the 4th generation but still only 3G capable. I know that you are fully aware of this but I am just defending Illumination's view point that a 4S would not make much sense. An updated iPhone 4 should be named iPhone 5 because it is the 5th generation, redesigned or not.
 
I know a lot of peeps who have been waiting for a redesign. It's been 16 months now and they're still on the same model. Now I personally like the design, but it is the design that got the slagging/hammering from the world press and customers fro the loss of signal, and got the extremely negative public attention ... Remember mud sticks.

So to have Mr Cook come on stage for his first public world press event and announce new insides in the same design will be suicide PR wise, he will get hung in the press. Most of us know that he inside will be better, faster, newer, but unfortunately we live is superficial world and to have the same design (especially one of such notoriety) on a mobile phone device 16 month later maybe cool to some, but is a sign of lack of imagination to others.

No-one said there would be a redesign of the iPhone, but is madness not to do so for so many reasons

But is it TRULY madness? The iPhone 4's design was criticized yes, but did it lead to any real problems for Apple? Was it not and is it not still the BEST selling, most popular, most recognized phone in the world? Customers vote with their wallets, and through it all they voted iPhone 4. I won't go so far as to call the current design iconic, but it IS unique, eye catching, and unmistakably Apple. I mean I just don't see this huge embarrassment for Tim Cook in announcing an iPhone 4S with 1GB Ram, A5 processor, 8 megapixel Camera, and Voice Assistant (if it really is the killer feature it's rumored to be) I mean, that's still a HELL of a device is it not? And exactly what Android phone on the market right now can really beat that? Throw in iOS5, Launching with Sprint as the third carrier, and the official unveiling of the Facebok iPad App and Tim Cook's got a decent coming out party. Nothing for Apple to hang their heads in shame over and nothing for customers to TRULY be upset about.
The iPhone stays competitive for another year in all except screen size (just like last year)
 
why is everyone seemingly obsessed with a re-design?

Shouldn't it be functionality over form?
LOTs of people hate the square design. A redesign would also tend to include the larger screen that most people want. Simple.

As long as the 4S has a bigger screen then I'm fine, but no, just a 4S after 16 months is just BS.
4S won't have a redesign. 4S signifies a connection to the 4. S might as well stand for "S"pec update. If Apple redesigned the whole thing to fit in a larger screen, they'd sure as hell call it a "5".

I still cannot to understand exactly what kind of people would actually believe that the iPhone 4S is a low end model, when Apple has used S to designate a beefed up model.
Simple. When people thought there were going to be TWO models, it was logical to assume the low-end one was the 4S and the new, redesigned one was the "5". What's so hard to understand about that?

Why is no case redesign such a huge problem here? It sounds like nearly every component of the rumored 4S will be pretty significantly improved.

Plus iOS 5 sounds awesome and Assistant could be real Jetsons type stuff.

so stop whining already!
I'll repeat: LOTs of people hate the square design. A redesign would also tend to include the larger screen that most people want. Simple.

Also seems a bit of a misstep to announce iOS5 on and old iPhone 4(s) phone design.
 
Something tells me that the iPhone 5 is not going to be announced next week, and probably not till next year.

They're doing the "s" series iPhone 4 update like they did to the iPhone 3.

I think people are going to be upset.
 
Just because they're calling the "4S" doesn't mean it's going to be a minor update. I'm expecting an 8mp camera, an A5 processor, and 1GB of memory. I'm wishing for a 64GB model, too. (I think that's likely).

A case redesign doesn't necessarily signify a radically new model. The iPhone 3G was a minor update to the original iPhone. All it added was GPS, a revised case, camera, and 3G data capabilities. It used the exact processor that the original iPhone used.

The 3GS significantly upgraded the processor, improved the camera, added video recording, bumped the storage, and improved its connectivity to the 3G network. It was actually a much larger upgrade than the iPhone to iPhone 3G was. It just kept the same case.

Don't expect the 4S to be a "minor" spec bump just because we're not getting a case redesign.
 
- iPhone 4 (universal) - budget option, especially for developinp/emerging markets and the numerous poor US citizens;

- iPhone 4S - updated iPhone 4, no redesign, low-mid market segments;

- iPhone 5 - brand new iPhone with all bells and whistles, high-end segment.

Yes, this looks reasonable. It makes sense for Apple to have a range of phones, as most other manufacturers do.
 
But is it TRULY madness? The iPhone 4's design was criticized yes, but did it lead to any real problems for Apple? Was it not and is it not still the BEST selling, most popular, most recognized phone in the world? Customers vote with their wallets, and through it all they voted iPhone 4. I won't go so far as to call the current design iconic, but it IS unique, eye catching, and unmistakably Apple. I mean I just don't see this huge embarrassment for Tim Cook in announcing an iPhone 4S with 1GB Ram, A5 processor, 8 megapixel Camera, and Voice Assistant (if it really is the killer feature it's rumored to be) I mean, that's still a HELL of a device is it not? And exactly what Android phone on the market right now can really beat that? Throw in iOS5, Launching with Sprint as the third carrier, and the official unveiling of the Facebok iPad App and Tim Cook's got a decent coming out party. Nothing for Apple to hang their heads in shame over and nothing for customers to TRULY be upset about.
The iPhone stays competitive for another year in all except screen size (just like last year)

To be honest, I sort of disagree I'm afraid.

If I was "Taking over" I'd want my 1st product announcement to have a real BANG to it, in a "I'm hitting the ground running" type of way.

It's the same with anything. If you are new, you really want in some way to stamp your mark, to leave the crowd wow'd, to give them a blast of now we're going to kick some ass.

What you don't want is a, well, remember that product we bought out new 16 months ago, well, as my 1st announcement as the new CEO and the start of a new bright tomorrow I'm proud to announce a new phone that's exactly the same as the 16 month old model, but a bit faster inside with a little better camera and a tweaked OS.

You can almost hear the crowds reaction to such a statement already.

You don't want to come in with a whimper.
 
So what's the deal regarding the "major product transition"? Not iPhone related?

EDIT: Is it just the timeframe shift from June to October?
 
What about these?

simplest answer... because they aren't being manufactured

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The iPhone 5 itself also has some manufacturing evidence. Has everybody forgotten about this from 9to5Mac.

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And perhaps most crucially.... This from iTunes 9.2 Beta itself!
 

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There was an article circulating in the blogs a few days ago about how a prototype (could have been one of several prototypes) was smuggled out of a factory, software erased, and measured to make the cases.

I certainly hope no poor Chinese worker had to die for our indulgence. I'm sure the punishment is quite severe for such acts in a communist state....
 
"Lots" of people hate the design of the iPhone 4, eh? You got any numbers to back that up, or is this a 'fact' based on the ramblings of a few forum posters here?

Apple isn't the kind of company that listens to customers and then gives them what they're asking for. They tell them 'you need this', and then people accept that. Apple defines trends, they don't follow them.

LOTs of people hate the square design. A redesign would also tend to include the larger screen that most people want. Simple.


4S won't have a redesign. 4S signifies a connection to the 4. S might as well stand for "S"pec update. If Apple redesigned the whole thing to fit in a larger screen, they'd sure as hell call it a "5".


Simple. When people thought there were going to be TWO models, it was logical to assume the low-end one was the 4S and the new, redesigned one was the "5". What's so hard to understand about that?


I'll repeat: LOTs of people hate the square design. A redesign would also tend to include the larger screen that most people want. Simple.

Also seems a bit of a misstep to announce iOS5 on and old iPhone 4(s) phone design.
 
"iPhone 5" May Never Exist

If Apple follows their naming system to date the iPhone after the iPhone 4S will be called an iPhone 6!

1. Original iPhone
2. iPhone 3G
3. iPhone 3GS
4. iPhone 4
5. iPhone 4S
6. iPhone 6?
 
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