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Cheaper iPhone 4 'N90A' Photos Leak from Foxconn Factory
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You guys need to listen to that last 25 minutes of Thisismynext podcast.
They say exactly how most of us feel.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QJVJIB02
They say exactly how most of us feel.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QJVJIB02
I have similar problems with 3gs, but mostly due to the battery just being crap after over 2 years of use. Newer phones run ios4 a lot better... fact that 3gs runs ios4 as well as it does is lucky given the age
Chronic "Otterbox wouldn't spend almost a million dollars to produce so many units of a packaging that they weren't sure of"
Ever since I saw him leak those pics I believed we would see the 4S. Yesterdays evidence in my mind all but confirms this.
Ever since I saw him leak those pics I believed we would see the 4S. Yesterdays evidence in my mind all but confirms this.
Count me as another person who doesn't get the gnashing of teeth here. The 4 form factor is the best selling phone on the planet. Why screw that up?
And for everyone wailing that a 4S wouldn't make them upgrade from the iPhone 4 they have, so what. For every one of you, there's 2 people waiting because the contract term on their 3G or 3GS is up. The iPhone isn't targeted at the people who upgrade every 6 months, it's aimed at the mass market and people who upgrade on two or three year cycles. There's more money there.
Sell me an iPhone 4 with an A5 in it Tuesday, and my 3GS is getting retired. I like iOS enough (and have enough invested in the ecosystem) that I'd rather have a design that works than switch to android to get another quarter inch on the screen.
Ha! He has a picture of ONE empty box. A box that it turns out was just a mockup. (a mockup that others easily photoshopped into other versions) He didn't even post the UPC code so we could tell if it was actually something new. Not even an actual case. Just an empty box. Hardly spending almost a million dollars on packaging. lol
I have no idea why people view him as being so credible. He has "100% confirmed" things that have been dead wrong.
I wouldn't say it's luck that a 2 year old phone runs barely on an iOS version that you more or less are forced to upgrade to.
I would expect that Apple keeps their Phones running very well for the average contract period of 2 years.
If Apple sells Phones that you need a 2 year contract for and those phones run like crap after one year then I should really look elsewhere for a phone. In fact I plan not to buy more then the low end phone because of this lack of support.
Agreed with all of this, and believe me I think Apples model of vertical integration is far superior to Googles broken model of fragmentation. I've gotten everyone where I work to switch from Android devices exclusively to iPhones. However 16 months is a long time to wait for a spec bump. I still believe there will be a "One more thing" on tuesday with a redesign.
It may be mostly a minor spec bump over the currently shipping iPhone 4 (though A4 to A5 is not exactly a tiny jump). It's a HUGE leap from an iPhone 3G or 3GS, which is the customer base they need to sell to.
Remember, even though the 4 has been out for 16 months, the average age of a 4 in the field is probably closer to 6 or 7 months; the vast majority of those owners have another year or more before they can get upgrade pricing. The average 4 owner isn't interested in paying $400 more just to upgrade early, regardless of whether Apple announces just a 4S or the magical 5. The people on this board are a very small minority, not a representation of the actual market.
This is ill-advised - iOS 3, and iOS4 run great on the 3GS. I'm a developer and I have the iOS5 beta on my 3GS and it runs better than ever, better than iOS3 or iOS4 ever did.
Add also that Apple do not sell the iPhones on the premise that you'll get free/paid software updates moving forward. The fact that new versions of iOS support older handsets is a bonus considering it's not that long ago you didn't get software updates for phones full stop, outside of maybe a patch update here and there.
On that basis, the handset is perfectly capable of working as advertised and sold for 2+ years.
On that basis, the handset is perfectly capable of working as advertised and sold for 2+ years.
I would say that the rumored iPhone 5 could actually be a "gaming" iPod Touch. Larger screen, larger button for gestures. Fits well.
In the other hand, if you take a look at Apple's time line, there's basically always two models that look a like, basically a upgrade from the previous version. Then a remodel happens. I fell it would be natural to Apple launch a new iPhone 4 with upgraded internals.
In the other hand, if you take a look at Apple's time line, there's basically always two models that look a like, basically a upgrade from the previous version. Then a remodel happens. I fell it would be natural to Apple launch a new iPhone 4 with upgraded internals.
I feel like the competition is too hot right now for just an upgraded iPhone 4. I'm hoping for a completely new, redesigned iPhone 5, but all signs point to 4S. We'll see Tuesday!
I HOPE I'm wrong but:
I think we made this whole thing way more complicated and confusing than it needed to be... There wasn't a "delay" on the release of the next generation iPhone in June/July because Apple was developing some great new iPhone (rumored iPhone 5). I believe that Apple didn't need to release the next generation iPhone ahead of ios5 like they have done in the past because ip4 was/is still selling like hotcakes and they just released the white iPhone 4 a couple of months prior. To think that we would see an iPhone "5" in June/July shortly after the CDMA and white iPhone 4 was released was foolish.
As much as I want a redesigned iPhone "5" I think logic at this point is telling us that on tuesday Apple will be giving us a beefed up iphone 4. Why put all that time and money into getting the white iPhone 4 right for release if you already had the next generation "5" designed and in the makings? Logic at this point makes much more sense than most of these rumors... Oh well, I hope I'm wrong. I wanted a cool new design too...
I think we made this whole thing way more complicated and confusing than it needed to be... There wasn't a "delay" on the release of the next generation iPhone in June/July because Apple was developing some great new iPhone (rumored iPhone 5). I believe that Apple didn't need to release the next generation iPhone ahead of ios5 like they have done in the past because ip4 was/is still selling like hotcakes and they just released the white iPhone 4 a couple of months prior. To think that we would see an iPhone "5" in June/July shortly after the CDMA and white iPhone 4 was released was foolish.
As much as I want a redesigned iPhone "5" I think logic at this point is telling us that on tuesday Apple will be giving us a beefed up iphone 4. Why put all that time and money into getting the white iPhone 4 right for release if you already had the next generation "5" designed and in the makings? Logic at this point makes much more sense than most of these rumors... Oh well, I hope I'm wrong. I wanted a cool new design too...
Yup, but we have to remember, that the competition wins because of their msrp, not because their products are better. Or just because some people don't want to live in a closed ecosystem.
No, not necessarily.
If Apple is releasing "two new iPhones," and this iPhone 4 model is analogous to the 3GS, it could still be the "bottom-of-the-line" last-year's model, free with AT&T/Verizon, whereas the 4S is the midrange and the 5 is the high end.
I actually had a dream where the 4S and 5 were introduced, hah!
I agree with that. With competition as fierce as it is (keep in mind android has made SERIOUS headway in 20 months), I think going another 9-12 months with the same form factor is not good for the company.
As I've said before to the argument about 3GS, there's a big difference because the 3GS came out before the Nexus One (arguably the "real" first android phone). Now you're at a time where Android competition is REAL and people are buying their phones partially because of hardware.
I think they really HAVE to do a redesign to maintain their pace and keep up with the hardware of the Android phones which clearly is appealing to people.
I've had quite a bit of hands on time with several Android devices (my own phones included), and I've never really noticed a major effective performance difference vs. an iPhone 4. I know the benchmark differences, but in actual use, recent Android phones "feel" about the same (the first couple of generations of Android phones feel clunky).
I suppose there's some diminishing returns. I tap the email icon on an Atrix and a iP4, both open up the email app immediately, both fetch down email at about the same speed (...this is more network speeds vs. local processing speeds...). The iP4 scroll through long emails, handles attachments quickly.
If I fire up IMDB/DropBox/TextEditor/etc. on both, the same results, same for basically all my common apps.
You'll want to check out some SGS II threads, like this:
http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s2/
There are few considerations that could be deal breakers, it all just depends (and some of the problems are very hard to debug whether it's the device, firmware, apps/widgets/etc.)
There' plenty of positive comments in that thread too, but there's more to assess than just SA+ looks great and the phone is fast.
Yeah, I've really grown to like the clean, consistent iOS experience. For me, many of the Android benefits sound great on paper, but aren't all that spectacular in actual use.
I was an early Android adopter, I'm developing for both Android and iOS (mobile modules for two of core Enterprise products), so I move back and forth between the two platforms, and at the end of the day for me, Apple just provides a better end-to-end experience right now.
Honestly I like the Android Widgets.... Epic
When I scored my first Android device, and started dropping them on my home screen(s), I thought they were really neat. I went though dozens of them, bought a few, tweaked, tuned, etc. I found the only widgets I really wound up liking were an overlap into what most people would call a notification. A Tweeter or FB widget never provided enough information, so I simply found myself looking the widget, then opening the full app. I found that was the case with most of the ones I used, they give a hint of information, but mainly just inform you of a change/update (a weather widget for example), that for me, almost always required firing up a full app (and in some cases there wasn't a "related" app to the widget).
I think a really extensible notification system, where plenty of information can be delivered, and that provides a quick link to the source application is very effective. Based on what I've seen of the notification API, iOS5 looks pretty outstanding in that capacity.
What does not make sense.
A5, OSi 5, ...I phone 4s, even if its the same form factor why name it a 4s.
Could there be
iPhone4- 8gb
iPhone4s- 16gb, 32gb
iPhone5, 32gb 64gb.... Higher price point, larger screen,
Im Dreaming..sure.
I think that issues came up in testing the new 5, so the backup plan was the 4s. Explains the cases as well as no evidence of the 5 showing up. My guess it will be out april - June next year, and the delay will allow for LTE. 4g.
A5, OSi 5, ...I phone 4s, even if its the same form factor why name it a 4s.
Could there be
iPhone4- 8gb
iPhone4s- 16gb, 32gb
iPhone5, 32gb 64gb.... Higher price point, larger screen,
Im Dreaming..sure.
I think that issues came up in testing the new 5, so the backup plan was the 4s. Explains the cases as well as no evidence of the 5 showing up. My guess it will be out april - June next year, and the delay will allow for LTE. 4g.
i totally agree with this. when the iPhone first came it it was up against windows mobile and blackberry. iPhone came out took over and then android blew up over night and now is the majority on the market because of htc, motorola and everyone else that has it. granted the phones are not the best build quality but for the price you can't go wrong what they are offering.
apple needs to get into the cheap phone market with a top notch one as well.
i guess tues will show us what their plans our and see how they are entering 2012 and trying to stay ahead-----or at least keep up
I totally agree with you. The new iphone4 with an A5 chip would be a compelling buy (because all i really wanted to get was a new iPod touch 5g). If the only top tier phone will just have a memory, camera and processor upgrade. I would rather buy the new cheaper iPhone 4 unlocked.
I've been wondering about this as well. Seems like waiting to produce it until it's announced is the only way they would have prevented leaks by now. This is still wishful thinking though. As much as we all want it, Apple doesn't need a complete redesign at the moment. I believe when they introduce LTE finally, we will get the complete overhaul.
Why would apple so secret about products..
leak the 4S info in iTunes, that makes no sence, there is no reason to have this info out there until after Tuesday if it was true or not.. With so much riding on their next phone and everything so hush, apple themselves leaked the N94.. info... Strange.
leak the 4S info in iTunes, that makes no sence, there is no reason to have this info out there until after Tuesday if it was true or not.. With so much riding on their next phone and everything so hush, apple themselves leaked the N94.. info... Strange.
But you are speaking as if everyone upgrading is coming from a 4. What about the 3GS owners. Is this the only upgrade they get? Or the reluctant VZW customers that passed on the 4 because they were waiting for the 5. Like someone else said, obviously Google is doing something right with Android. I might not care for the Android OS but apparently other people do.